Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-17 Thread Nishit Dave
On 5/17/07, sudhanwa Jogalekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/17/07, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For criminal and other such cases, there could be treaties between the countries to handover the suspects. ( eg, recent Argentina case for Quotraochi and other older example of Portuga

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-17 Thread sudhanwa Jogalekar
On 5/17/07, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Aditya Godbole wrote: > On 5/16/07, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wednesday 16 May 2007 10:07, ॐ wrote: >> >> I *think* US patents are valid in India thanks to WTO.. > > (I think) what that means is that if you go to th

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Aditya Godbole wrote: On 5/16/07, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 16 May 2007 10:07, ॐ wrote: I *think* US patents are valid in India thanks to WTO.. (I think) what that means is that if you go to the US, and they arrest you for patent infringement of their patent

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread Devendra Laulkar
Hi, On 5/16/07, Aditya Godbole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/16/07, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 16 May 2007 10:07, ॐ wrote: > > I *think* US patents are valid in India thanks to WTO.. As far as I know, US patents are *not* valid in India and vice versa.

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread Nishit Dave
On 5/16/07, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I *think* US patents are valid in India thanks to WTO.. I should rephrase my earlier response as "Maybe, but" instead of "No". WTO cannot enforce an alien patent on what intrinsically cannot be patented here. For example, if it did

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread Sriram Narayanan
On 5/15/07, Kaustubh Gadkari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/B97ugxGJ0p0Nn8/What-Does-Microsoft-Want-From-the-Free-World.xhtml And here's a different take on this 235 patent thing at cnn.com http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/10003

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread Nishit Dave
On 5/16/07, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I *think* US patents are valid in India thanks to WTO.. No. The revised Indian Patents Act specifically forbids software patents, or in other words, patents on computer-aided innovations. Thank FSF India for that. This, in my opin

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread
Also there is a treaty between United States and India, under which, if you commit offense that is punishable in a court of law of united states, and you happened to be in India sooner or later (mostly because you are sitizen of India), then you need to be tried in India not in United States. You

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread Aditya Godbole
On 5/16/07, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 16 May 2007 10:07, ॐ wrote: I *think* US patents are valid in India thanks to WTO.. (I think) what that means is that if you go to the US, and they arrest you for patent infringement of their patents, the Indian governmen

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-16 Thread
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Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread
This is [Way-Toppic-Off or WTO]! hmmm [Way-Off-Topic or WOT] but nevertheless... Well, it just means that we may have to read whole of Way-Off-Topic (WTO) agreement first, in which they seem to be agreeing on **nothing** :-) Thanks for the quick correction. -- _

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 10:07, ॐ wrote: > Are there any patents that microsoft holds for it's software in > specific countries without being specifically labelling them by > actual names (list) of all such countries)? I am not planning to use > them but pirated software champions may get protect

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread
Are there any patents that microsoft holds for it's software in specific countries without being specifically labelling them by actual names (list) of all such countries)? I am not planning to use them but pirated software champions may get protection by this finding :-) Since most people never

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread sudhanwa Jogalekar
This might be some OT but still Talking about patents and Indian contexts, here is some interesting reading : http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6180188.html?tag=nl.e550 "The master disc or electronic transmission Microsoft sends from the United States is never installed on any of the foreig

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread Chetan Kumar
Hi all Following are the facts 1. There is a report in Fortune about the next possible steps by MS 2. It talks about the (perceived/reported) advantage MS has due to some FOSS being in violation of some patents that MS owns. 3. Some other sites (including ecommercetimes) has picked up this story a

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread Chetan Kumar
On 5/15/07, Kaustubh Gadkari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Microsoft released some details today. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/05/15/1348209.shtml Nothing new there. No list. Just a random number Chetan -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Us

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread Kaustubh Gadkari
Microsoft released some details today. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/05/15/1348209.shtml -- Kaustubh Gadkari [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: htt

[PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread Chetan Kumar
On 5/15/07, Kaustubh Gadkari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/B97ugxGJ0p0Nn8/What-Does-Microsoft-Want-From-the-Free-World.xhtml -- Discussed here in last 24 hours. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/14/0018242 http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread Santosh Dawara
Dear Aditya, Aditya Godbole wrote: On 5/15/07, Santosh Dawara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree, we (Indians) cannot ignore it. Microsoft sponsored lawsuits could make it untenable to write F/OSS code in the United States. So tough luck for the Americans right? Or are you scared because a l

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-15 Thread Aditya Godbole
On 5/15/07, Santosh Dawara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree, we (Indians) cannot ignore it. Microsoft sponsored lawsuits could make it untenable to write F/OSS code in the United States. So tough luck for the Americans right? Or are you scared because a lot of the FOSS contributions come fro

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-14 Thread Santosh Dawara
I can understand if you don't agree with software patent but that does not mean you should ignore them. I agree, we (Indians) cannot ignore it. Microsoft sponsored lawsuits could make it untenable to write F/OSS code in the United States. - Santosh -- Santosh Dawara visit me at http://www

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-14 Thread Ameet Gholap
2007/5/15, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tuesday 15 May 2007 08:01, Ameet Gholap wrote: > I think s/w patents are not recognised in India/majority of asian and > european countries and hence this article is useless... Umm? How? I mean they are valid in US so there is a problem in

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-14 Thread श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 08:01, Ameet Gholap wrote: > I think s/w patents are not recognised in India/majority of asian and > european countries and hence this article is useless... Umm? How? I mean they are valid in US so there is a problem in US and free software users all around the world should

Re: [PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-14 Thread Ameet Gholap
I think s/w patents are not recognised in India/majority of asian and european countries and hence this article is useless... 2007/5/15, Kaustubh Gadkari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/B97ugxGJ0p0Nn8/What-Does-Microsoft-Want-From-the-Free-World.xhtml -- Kaustubh Gadk

[PLUG] Microsoft says 235 of its patents were violated by F/OSS

2007-05-14 Thread Kaustubh Gadkari
http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/B97ugxGJ0p0Nn8/What-Does-Microsoft-Want-From-the-Free-World.xhtml -- Kaustubh Gadkari [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Informa