Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

pour la transition et NON aux terroristes ! On 14 November 2015 at 15:01, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > These guys are clinging to a model of the past instead of making the > necessary changes to deal with the modernity transition challenge. > > China transitioned, India transitioned, South Asia t

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo Days 2015

How I do SO wish I could attend ( I even have old friends living in Lille ! ) And then a trip across to see and walk Rue Chifflet in Besancon and an afternoon in Strasbourg ? un *rêve ...* Robert Shiplett/Shifflet/Chifflet On 29 October 2014 20:18, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > We

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] Phratch 4.0

Congrat's ! On 17 October 2014 06:48, jannik laval wrote: > Phratch 4.0 is out of the box ! > > Phratch 4.0 is cleaner, faster and more stable than phratch 3.0. > > After the version 3.0 that was a release for usability and stability, > phratch 4.0 is released to prepare the future. > > The new

Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode support in Pharo

Must be a thing about European "guys" ... - ByteString is needed for most european/occidental people who don't care about internationalization and should stay because Pharo is an european/english based system , also not to break existing code (again will be transparent to most users for same rea

Re: [Pharo-users] Ridiculous we are

so I stay with my 8Gb iTouch iOS 3 ; with no prospect of an upgrade, I am sorta worry-free. If only it were also a phone ... " Don't dial ... DO ! " ;-) [ this msg was last seen in my default font ] On 22 September 2014 17:35, stepharo wrote: > Hilaire > > These are two days that after upg

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing on stdout when redirecting the standard output

ex Google on "rlwrap" STDIN STDOUT redirection On 28 July 2014 14:01, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > Mmh, I have been experiencing that too. > > Stdin and stdout aren't that well handled it seems. I write to the term > using VTerm fwiw. > > Phil > Le 28 juil. 2014 16:46, "François Stephany" a

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing on stdout when redirecting the standard output

rlwrap ? http://www.cliki.net/rlwrap On 28 July 2014 14:01, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > Mmh, I have been experiencing that too. > > Stdin and stdout aren't that well handled it seems. I write to the term > using VTerm fwiw. > > Phil > Le 28 juil. 2014 16:46, "François Stephany" a > écrit : >

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing on stdout when redirecting the standard output

on linux I used to have a BASH shell "wrapping" script to address this redirect snaffu in a pinch with other interpreters ... Does that "ring a bell" with someone as a quick work-around ? My memory can be such a pain and I am on an old XP laptop just now ... I am quite sure I had to launch from BA

Re: [Pharo-users] Commandline

I run server-side JavaScript but would not dream of using JS to do jobs ! Humour : for years the command-line params for VW Smalltalk were some kind of unpublished hush-hush secret for build mavens and image-stripping gurus on hp/ux servers. Not so for Gnu Smalltalk ;-) There is always APL ;-)

Re: [Pharo-users] Commandline

Sick of sed and Perl ? There is fun in Object Icon and Rebol ( r3 or Red ) ( Icon, UNICON or pythonic Converge PL.) And I even use xcurl scripts for MIT Curl ( www.curl.com ) (now SCSK Curl at www.curlap.com ) But Object Icon has to be built at the command line ;-) I gave up on Io and have been

Re: [Pharo-users] HTML5 Generation

Because I use MIT Curl as markup instead of HTML, this has also been an interest of mine. ( Curl declarative and PL as in www.curl.com and not cURL ) On 4 June 2014 08:59, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > stepharo wrote > > Now it would be really nice to have the seaside canvas as a separate > > com

Re: [Pharo-users] Problem learning about Magritte

I, for one, need to learn the Unicode UTF-128 "steam release" emoticon ... it must be in some supplement codepage. It should look like the icon on my "Do you REALLY want to post this ?" mail client DialogLastChance window ... ;-) ( and this maillist is just a nice bunch of Smalltalkers, too ! )

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimal browser

I volunteer as a test user for this mini-B and DrGeo ! - Windows XP and 7 - various Linux DrGeo rules ! On 14 May 2014 07:26, stepharo wrote: > > Hello, >> >> With Pahro 1.4, >> >> Browser newOnClass: Number selector: #+ >> >> use to open a minimal browser on the selected method (btw, it is

Re: [Pharo-users] Best/simplest way to read and write to a MySQL database

"PharoPro" ? On 10 May 2014 04:09, stepharo wrote: > > On 9/5/14 21:54, Andy Burnett wrote: > > ᐧ > Thanks everyone, I shall try the DBXTalk approach. It seems as though it > is being actively developed. > > As a side note, I think it would be great if Pharo could identify a > 'main stream' r

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 3.0 Released!

and congrat's on 3.0 release ! Now to get to work on my app ! On 1 May 2014 04:20, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 30 Apr 2014, at 22:57, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Hi, > > It means that we are so happy that CodeCity is > > > Maybe we should have added a link to the code city page (it kind of > cross

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Pharo3] New Sources file starting 30841/30842

" Please understand that we cannot solve local problems." Duh. Like I have never stripped or built a Smalltalk image over my decades as a corp contracting Smalltalker ( so not Pharo, 'natch ) Marcus : the problem occurred ; I don't see it explained. So Marcus, if you are OK, I won't look furth

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Pharo3] New Sources file starting 30841/30842

Denker wrote: > > > > > On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:51, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > >> > >> On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:34, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:32, Robert Shiplett > wrote: > >>> > &g

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Pharo3] New Sources file starting 30841/30842

ckoverflow On 29 April 2014 10:32, Robert Shiplett wrote: > looked through 2 PDF's for "pharo.ini" and "sources" but did not find this > mentioned ... it is probably staring right at me, since the image DID > open... > > > On 29 April 2014 10:22, Ro

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Pharo3] New Sources file starting 30841/30842

in Squeak pages it will turn up there ... THIS IS my idiosyncratic USER testing ;-) On 29 April 2014 10:35, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Maybe it is better to wait for the actual release ? > > On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:32, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > > looked through 2 PDF&#x

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Pharo3] New Sources file starting 30841/30842

looked through 2 PDF's for "pharo.ini" and "sources" but did not find this mentioned ... it is probably staring right at me, since the image DID open... On 29 April 2014 10:22, Robert Shiplett wrote: > I have to add a line to my pharo.ini to use sources named &#x

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Pharo3] New Sources file starting 30841/30842

I have to add a line to my pharo.ini to use sources named '30' ? Pharo comes up with latest.zip + sources 30 but complains not able to find sources '20' On 29 April 2014 10:11, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 29 Apr 2014, at 15:05, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > > > > Am 29.04.2014 um 14:19 sc

Re: [Pharo-users] "stepping" a non-morphic object

re : Google'd heartbeat and model ticking-over isn't there a stackoverflow.com option for #pharo in addition to this mail list ( when time interval very short ;-) ? I think Seaside suggests just using #pharo tag to raise someone ... or was that IRC freenode ? Even with Pharo3 sooo close to relea

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo3] New Sources file starting 30841/30842

congrat's ! Will run through my idiosyncratic ad hoc odd user "testing" later today ;-) I will be SOooo pleased to move up to Pharo3 - soon. And then to get a headless 3 onto my Japanese server in a prod dir ! On 29 April 2014 07:53, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hi, > > We have a sources file for

Re: [Pharo-users] Curl markup with Pillar

load On 22 April 2014 09:38, Robert Shiplett wrote: > re: Curl markup, as in web markup using declarative style in Curl PL from > MIT, not cURL ( see www.curlap.com) > > My Japanese web pages are now generated using nunjucks + node.js but in > the hope of using pharo 3 + Seaside

[Pharo-users] Curl markup with Pillar

re: Curl markup, as in web markup using declarative style in Curl PL from MIT, not cURL ( see www.curlap.com) My Japanese web pages are now generated using nunjucks + node.js but in the hope of using pharo 3 + Seaside on small virtual server, I thought I would see what it takes to add Curl markup

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

ah, emacs. end of conversation, from the friendly editor. And likely the end of Mozart Oz, only they just can't believe it. Emacs, version 25 on the way to 125. Oz. Version 1.4 and on the way to nowhere, but at least it got there via emacs [ enough said.] ( I remember the senseless attacks on Vi

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

to read it more times later. > > Cheers > Uko > > On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > re: textmite > > Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes > collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written > in a Sma

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

re: textmite Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget? Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ?

Re: [Pharo-users] note on Smalltalk in wikipedia discussion

2014 11:54, Robert Shiplett wrote: > the readme in the Pharo 3.0beta tested says > > This distribution was built March 27, 2014. > > and the files of note are 03-27 with the exe 12-07 > > > On 30 March 2014 11:44, Robert Shiplett wrote: > >> Pharo 3.0 b

Re: [Pharo-users] note on Smalltalk in wikipedia discussion

the readme in the Pharo 3.0beta tested says This distribution was built March 27, 2014. and the files of note are 03-27 with the exe 12-07 On 30 March 2014 11:44, Robert Shiplett wrote: > Pharo 3.0 beta Latest update: #30804 test of WideString Japanese instance > method : the metho

Re: [Pharo-users] note on Smalltalk in wikipedia discussion

On 30 March 2014 11:27, Robert Shiplett wrote: > As I noted in the WP discussion post, When I flip the current Pharo 3.0 > beta to Mincho and Japanese, I have to open a new browser to be able to use > Japanese even if I use FORCE ... is that the intended behavior ? > > Or should inst

[Pharo-users] note on Smalltalk in wikipedia discussion

As I noted in the WP discussion post, When I flip the current Pharo 3.0 beta to Mincho and Japanese, I have to open a new browser to be able to use Japanese even if I use FORCE ... is that the intended behavior ? Or should instances of open windows notice an update to Fonts and refresh ? cheers

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Application Security for your domains

do we have a Pharo PassPhrase 4 X 4 - specific project/variant/branch ? (i.e., four 4-char substring => 1 Passphrase ) I had done some work on mnemonics for such passphrases ... and I realize some like to salt-and-pepper with 3-char and 5-char Unicode chunks ... thnkx On 29 March 2014 10:05,

Re: [Pharo-users] Am not sure if that is a good idea

The MIT Curl debugger in their integrated IDE is for an expression-based language and so your are able to "watch" expressions of your own devising as you step through code - and drill down graphically into structured values such as object instances ; there is now an eclipse "plug-in" version of th

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec question

Glenn, thanks for posting the link ! Robert On 3 March 2014 12:15, Glenn Cavarlé wrote: > Hi Benjamin and Hernán, > > I found few time to make a little example of ListView (extend TreeModel). > I hosted it in my wiki : > ListViewModel Example >

Re: [Pharo-users] Question on FUEL & Simple Persistence

thanks for this post, Torsten ! it's a keeper , as the fishermen say in Minnesota :-) it gets a least 3 gmail tag-labels and into gmail Pharo/tips folder now ... and a few tags as a copy-paste-a-note in CintaNotes until there is a Pharo GTD+tagged-annotations app to import from CintaNotes, OneNot

Re: [Pharo-users] Multiple Browsers

Can it be flagged as a "Must Fix" for a 3.1 release ? It is very easy to have more than one browser open and that becomes even more problematic on a 10" screen ( even tho' I try to work with dual monitors and one a 27" with good resolution, the small screen is a fact of hardware sales and inexpens

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec website: nice!

Ben, congrat's on this Spec site I especially liked what I read at http://spec.st/docs/own-model/#the_adapter I look forward to recommending this site to folks not yet familiar with Smalltalk but with a UI interest/experience Robret On 28 February 2014 06:25, Benjamin wrote: > You blew up m

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 3.0 on Ubuntu 13.10

bravo ! Btw, anybody with in-RAM Puppy Linux on an Atom netbook other than me ? Mine is for my own Japanese-lang training app's to be a bit portable, but not Android or Win8. It can be tricky to get other languages in place on Puppy-in-RAM ... ( it takes about that 1 min to boot and then to setup

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

lk-80 notes/e-book e-learning tool in 2014 ... 40 years / 4 decades after 1974. On 27 February 2014 10:29, wrote: > Robert Shiplett wrote: > > Someone keeps saying I must be doing something wrong, the ini file must > be wrong execution in Windows in dependent on two settings of

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

ure path issue? > > Doru > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Robert Shiplett wrote: > >> I am dragging the image onto the pharo.exe in a newlynamed folder using >> an install whose README says date of Feb 25 >> >> COPY >> >> Pharo 3.0 >>

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

Stephan, Should there not be a simple mechanism for an image to advise the user that the current VM is below a minimum intended threshold version ? Have it only presented when not headless and debugging is available - and otherwise write to something better named than "stderr" ? Google mail (Mar

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

btw in addition to some items on World | Windows menu having no effect, the World menu will no even open if the pointer is within what looks to be about the height of a minimized window tab from the bottom of the world desktop ... but does work all the way to the top pixels of the desktop - even

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

sters ... or at least this one beta tester exasperated ;-) best reagrds, Robert Canada On 26 February 2014 15:04, Pharo4Stef wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 19:16, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > Stef > > I'm dragging and dropping in a fresh install > > first the imag

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

I am unzipping from our zip on pharo-project.org page for 3.0 Beta If that is wrong, let's have someone fix that zip, that page, what-ever THAT zip gives me a README.txt of : Pharo 3.0 This distribution was built February 25, 2014. Which I attach below Btw, desktop menu move top window to

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

> no need to be pushy it does not help. > > Stef > > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:38, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > regardless ... > > I did a sanity check on the contents of yesterday's latest.zip and hit a > walkback > > I then did a sanity check on the lates

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

I am dragging the image onto the pharo.exe in a newlynamed folder using an install whose README says date of Feb 25 COPY Pharo 3.0 This distribution was built February 25, 2014. as for that pharo.exe created and last mod date is 12 7 2013 the dir is C:\Pharo3.0-winB\Pharo3.0 and the dates

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

uary 2014 07:18, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:30, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > "BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community." > > This still rankles ... I have been a Smalltalker since long before Squeak > and have been usin

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

... [ why are we still having to rename files such as these when able to run multiple images in the same dir ? ] ciao On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight an

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

and I will also now re-name this file output (see attached) On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>upda

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil &g

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

that problematic latest.zip contains -30782 files R On 25 February 2014 19:02, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > none > > just download this one: > > http://files.pharo.org/image/30/latest.zip > > is always the latest effective build. > > Esteban > > On 25 Feb 2014, at 21:05, François Stephany > wro

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that toggle back. Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still know

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Spec documentation in PFTE book finished

humour: license to practice English humor note; 'subclass' may be a verb at wiktionary.org but not in current standard English (e.g. m-w.org or 2002 10th Ed, hardcover Merriam-Webster) ... so word is being used as a technical term in 2014 ... life was easier when a verb had one spelling and a noun

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Spec documentation in PFTE book finished

" Creating a specific UI always starts with the subclassing of ""ComposableModel"". " The above is passive with 2 gerunds. No experienced tech editor should let that pass as an English instruction for an action or task to be performed by a reader - especially if the reader may be using English a

Re: [Pharo-users] News Page

s will stay there and > old ones can be moved to the other page called archive? Or we sonly show > titles for older news. > > Cheers. > Uko > > On 30 Jan 2014, at 12:47, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > On 30 Jan 2014, at 12:45, Robert Shiplett wrote: > > But what if P

Re: [Pharo-users] News Page

cable ? Oh ... hidden under "Rebol For Dummies" cf QNX Cloud news at http://www.blackberrycool.com/2014/01/29/blackberry-vp-of-developer-relations-alec-saunders-now-vp-of-qnx-cloud/ On 30 January 2014 07:47, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 30 Jan 2014, at 12:45, Robert Shiplett wrot

Re: [Pharo-users] News Page

But what if Pharo developers loaded the Curl plugin into their browser ? Curl has great dynamic loading for such situations ( as needed by my old 1 CPU core Wind'd XP laptop ;-) {pharoNewsLine {urlBase {www www.curl.com}} {topic "markup that JSON folks should love"} {whatever } } || humour Curl

Re: [Pharo-users] Life, Ukraine, Developers

this is irreverent, but you might consider visiting Edmonton, Alberta, Canada or Yorkton Saskatchewan Canada or even Montreal, PQ ( at least there had been a Ukrainian community in Rosemount there in my day ... with shop signs in Cyrillic, blonde, blue-eyed female rock singers in local bands ...)

[Pharo-users] Pharo 3 beta impressions : SystemBrowser on first visit to new install

1) on first open after install on Windows, the SystemBrowser shows a list of class names in LastModified classes - but I have modified no classes in this image 2) on Quit no Save, even after selecting not to Save a second time, the pointer flips to show WRITING TO DISK which was surprising and als

Re: [Pharo-users] ScriptManager Deprecated in Pharo3?

Bruce Hope you won't be discouraged from posting to this user mail list, regardless. :-) Maybe add a post to the "tips" mail list regarding Thorsten B. advice on ui icons ? best regards robert a Pharo user On 7 January 2014 18:00, Bruce Prior wrote: > I tried to load my ScriptManager pac

Re: [Pharo-users] NYC for a group?

And there is Stan B. over in Newark - a top-drawer Smalltalk corp developer/contractor from EU On 4 October 2013 11:23, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > Raymond Brinzer-2 wrote > > I'm probably an odd > > candidate to be part of a Smalltalk meeting. :-) > > Not at all! I came from the Ruby world and,

Re: [Pharo-users] NYC for a group?

well, Ruby *IS* the poor-man's Smalltalk ! ;-) welcome ( I am Atlantic tz north of NYC by a few hours ) On 4 October 2013 01:09, Raymond Brinzer wrote: > Hello. > > Yes, I'm in NYC. However I'm mostly a Ruby guy, with a strong interest > in Smalltalk; I periodically tinker with Pharo, and I lur

Re: [Pharo-users] Semantic web packages

You may know about the prolog for Smalltalk/DOS of about 1990 vintage ... I must have it on a floppy in a box somewhere on a shelf. R On 25 September 2013 10:29, Jesus Nuñez wrote: > I'll try to elaborate but what I can say is only from my limited > perspective. You can take it as an incomple

Re: [Pharo-users] Semantic web packages

this sounds very much like a Squeak effort of mine in 1996 ;-) Have you looked at SOUL and Qsoul-era code of Roel Wuyts ? Some of that code was VW and Squeak as I recall. I hope you fare better than I did in comm telco setting where identifying resources should have been, err, of interest to mana

Re: [Pharo-users] MSI packaging for Pharo

We used to do this routinely with VisualWorks app's back when building for Mac and Windows - the start menu is usually what a client wants ... ( pre-Retro/Metro Win 8 ;-) On 26 August 2013 17:29, Usman Bhatti wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < > stephane.duca...@inria.

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS

Oh, disk size is NOT the issue ! ;-) On 12 June 2013 08:12, LogiqueWerks wrote: > If it is not under 50Mb with min packages + my classes, then I think no > one in the minimalist camp is going to look at my efforts ( this is my > "emit Curl markup" as alternative-to-HTML project for learning Ja

Re: [Pharo-users] About the Mailinglist debacle...

Sorry to hear of this grief ! No ETA does mean that someone has to make a decision, regardless of what hindsight may or may not eventually show. Thanks for tackling this ... I rely on reading this mail list to feel "in the loop" with Pharo ... and I refrain from filtering it ! On 15 May 2013 14: