Sorry to hear of this grief ! No ETA does mean that someone has to make a decision, regardless of what hindsight may or may not eventually show.
Thanks for tackling this ... I rely on reading this mail list to feel "in the loop" with Pharo ... and I refrain from filtering it ! On 15 May 2013 14:52, Marcus Denker <marcus.den...@inria.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > So now that everything is working… sorry for the mess. > > We should have left the gforge infrastructure the last time we had a > multi-day problem, > not wait till we get it again. > > I think this will be my new principle: second real problem -> I leave. No > discussions. > We already saw with the jenkins story just how deadly bad infrastructure > is. > > So what happened was that last Tuesday, the lists (all lists of gforge) > stopped delivering. > Why is not clear, seemingly it was not gforge itself but the upstream > servers did > not deliver. Whatever. > What is clear is that it was completely unclear how long this would take, > and that we > needed a solution after nearly a week of waiting. > > So we decided to move the lists. Of course with the old lists down, this > was harder than > normal (even involved parsing the html to get the subscribers…) but that > is not important. > > Now the problem its hat Mailman does not distinguish between people that > unsubscribe, > and those turning off delivery. So there where just a lot of people listed > with "nomail (U)", > > What to do? It was clear that we can't just subscribe lots of people to a > list that they *actively* > unsubscribed. So the only option was to skip those by > -> unsubscribing them from the old list > -> then get the list of subscribers > -> put that in the new list. > > The only people that will see a bad effect are those using e.g nabble to > read the list. But those > would see the new mails, too. The only problem they have is if the want to > send. So not *that* of > a big deal. > > It seems that we got quite some false positive subscribers anyway in the > form of people who filtered > the mails and then with the new list the filter did not work and they > suddenly saw mails of a long forgotten > list. We even had the case of people who where "nomail (U)", yet they did > get mails delivered. How > that can possibly work, I have no clue *at all*. > > What else is missing (and on my TODO since Sunday/Monday, sorry for not > yet acting on it): > > -> lists.pharo.org has an empty page and needs to point to the > list of the lists inttead > -> the archive needs to be moved from the old jenkins. > -> the (incomplete) archive of the new lists is not working since > I put it as public. > > So… maybe it would have been better to just wait until gforge works again > and then move… but > it was just far too long already and not clear when it would be working > again. > > Marcus >
