Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "keithw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Steve Jolly" Subject: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imag

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread P. J. Alling
So basically he's Leica's version of Herbert Kepler? That explains much... Rob Studdert wrote: On 30 Jun 2005 at 0:53, keithw wrote: Erwin's comments, in part: "My personal testing (to be published soon) shows that a 5MP sensor with dedicated optics can match the performance of a 35mm n

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
The equivalent to grain in the digital world for me is pixel noise, not pixel edges. I too prefer the grain but probably for the same reasons I prefer the crack noises of old LPs to MP3 compression distortion. On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 17:39, Bob Blakely wrote: > Yes and no. Much of an image is the re

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread Bob Blakely
Yes and no. Much of an image is the result of image processing in our retinas and brains. When we get to the edge where grain is barely perceptible or where individual pixels are barely perceptible the brain weighs in. At the edge, at the same resolution, same color rendering and same contrast,

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread John Francis
Because they are misleading, basically. The technology making the recording isn't the dominant factor. A more relevant comparison would be: o A lens designed for use with a large sensor can be relatively small compared to sensor area. o A lens designed for use with a small sensor must b

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Why do you find these points to be dubious and suspect? Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Francis > But the whole argument is based on some rather dubious assumptions. > In particular, I found this premise extremely suspect: > > o A lens designed for silver halide recording can be >

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread John Francis
But the whole argument is based on some rather dubious assumptions. In particular, I found this premise extremely suspect: o A lens designed for silver halide recording can be relatively small compared to sensor area. o A lens designed for solid-state recording must be bulky in relat

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread keithw
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Steve Jolly" Subject: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe I don't understand the importance of print size. If the two systems capture the same amount of information about a scene,

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread Rob Studdert
On 30 Jun 2005 at 0:53, keithw wrote: > Erwin's comments, in part: > > "My personal testing (to be published soon) shows that a 5MP sensor with > dedicated optics can match the performance of a 35mm negative of superb > quality coupled to a lens of equally superb quality." > > Now I'll have to

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Steve Jolly" Subject: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe I don't understand the importance of print size. If the two systems capture the same amount of information about a scene, then they will produc

Re: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/30 Thu PM 12:17:06 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe > > mike wilson wrote: > >> "My personal testing (to be publishe

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread Steve Jolly
mike wilson wrote: "My personal testing (to be published soon) shows that a 5MP sensor with dedicated optics can match the performance of a 35mm negative of superb quality coupled to a lens of equally superb quality." To do what, though? Produce prints up to a certain size, arguably. You can d

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This supports what many had begun to suspect, based on the release of >lenses designed for the APS digital sensor size and the reluctance of >most makers to go full frame. If this is correct, Pentax is on the >right path. >Paul >On Jun 30, 2005, at 1:3

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
This supports what many had begun to suspect, based on the release of lenses designed for the APS digital sensor size and the reluctance of most makers to go full frame. If this is correct, Pentax is on the right path. Paul On Jun 30, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: A commentary on the

Re: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe

2005-06-30 Thread mike wilson
> > From: keithw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/30 Thu AM 07:53:15 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe > dream > > Rob Studdert wrote: > > > A commentary on the state of

Re: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-30 Thread keithw
Rob Studdert wrote: A commentary on the state of things to come or pass from Erwin Puts: http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c014.html I'll reserve my comments for later :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Erwin's comments, in part: "My personal testing (to be published soon) shows tha

RE: OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-29 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Gleaned from one of the Canon lists I'm on: Read an interesting side-story in the Dutch CameraMagazine (written by Erwin Puts, Leica adepts might know him), about the chip used in the new Mamiya ZD (36x48mm), from Dalsa (Canadian, (once?) owned by Philips), being a full-time (FT) design, which

OT Why the full size solid-state imaging sensor will be a pipe dream

2005-06-29 Thread Rob Studdert
A commentary on the state of things to come or pass from Erwin Puts: http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c014.html I'll reserve my comments for later :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publicat