On 13/01/2015 3:45 AM, "Jeremy Stanley" wrote:
>
> There's really no way to _force_ official logging on all
> project-related channels. People who are opposed to the idea simply
> move their conversations to new channels. They'll straddle the line
> between "somewhat official looking" and "officia
John Griffith wrote:
> Also just to reiterate something that Sean pointed out that's bugged
> me for a while proliferation of channels and what I view as
> limited usage of openstack-dev. Honestly I think it's more
> detrimental to have all the silos of communication going on as opposed
> to a
0, 1, 2, and 3. 3 channels. I think Sean has this correct.
On 1/13/15, 14:36, "Sean Dague" wrote:
>On 01/13/2015 03:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>> On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote:
>>> Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels,
>> [...]
>>
>> Ahe
On 01/13/2015 03:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote:
>> Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels,
> [...]
>
> Ahem, it's four now BTW. ;)
>
Like I said, I hang out in 3 meeting channels. :)
-Sean
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Sean Dag
On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote:
> Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels,
[...]
Ahem, it's four now BTW. ;)
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On 01/13/2015 01:25 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote:
>> This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and "which
>> channel have we moved to" questions when a different slot is
>> required.
>
> Yep, once every team has its meeting in a sep
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote:
>> This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and "which
>> channel have we moved to" questions when a different slot is
>> required.
>
> Yep, once every team has its meetin
On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote:
> This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and "which
> channel have we moved to" questions when a different slot is
> required.
Yep, once every team has its meeting in a separate channel, they'll
all be Tuesday at 1900 UTC and y
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:54:13AM -0700, John Griffith wrote:
> I'd echo all the points made regarding "logging" shouldn't be a
> problem; we're an Open Source project so the idea of our communication
> being public making anybody nervous and not wanting to participate
> seems really off to me. Y
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Walker [mailto:em...@daviey.com]
>> Sent: 13 January 2015 15:10
>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>> Subject: Re: [openstac
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Walker [mailto:em...@daviey.com]
> Sent: 13 January 2015 15:10
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
>
> On 13 January 2015 at 12:32, Kuvaja, Erno w
On 13 January 2015 at 12:32, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
> I'm heavily against the public logging to the level that I will just leave
> the channel if that will be enabled. My point is not foul language and I do
> understand that there could be some benefits out of it. Personally I think we
> have enou
"Kuvaja, Erno" writes:
> I'm heavily against the public logging to the level that I will just
> leave the channel if that will be enabled. My point is not foul
> language and I do understand that there could be some benefits out of
> it. Personally I think we have enough tracked public communicat
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
Yep, there have been a number of occassions when conversations that are
relevant to my work have taken place on IRC channels for projects that
I don't normally participate in. It would have been useful to be able
to see the logs and in some cases th
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 08:27:58AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
> On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> > Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
> >> Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no
On 13/01/15 08:27 -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need to
explain to anyone reading
On 01/13/2015 08:23 AM, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
>> Sent: 13 January 2015 13:02
>> To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
>>
&g
On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
>> [...]
>> 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
>> Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need
>> to explain to anyone reading the logs what you actually meant
> -Original Message-
> From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
> Sent: 13 January 2015 13:02
> To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
>
> Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
> > [...]
> > 1) One does not ne
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
> [...]
> 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
> Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need
> to explain to anyone reading the logs what you actually meant during the
> conversation month ago.
> 2) there is
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:32:23PM +, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
> I think the major benefits of this defined audience are:
> 1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public.
> ( Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no
> need to explain to anyone r
> >
> > | -Original Message-----
> > | From: Morgan Fainberg [mailto:morgan.fainb...@gmail.com]
> > | Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:58 AM
> > | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> > | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC l
There's really no way to _force_ official logging on all
project-related channels. People who are opposed to the idea simply
move their conversations to new channels. They'll straddle the line
between "somewhat official looking" and "official enough to require
logging."
--
Jeremy Stanley
+1 to Flavio's proposal.
Thanks,
-Nikhil
From: Flavio Percoco [fla...@redhat.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:16 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
On 09/01/15
ister it before 12:00
UTC on Monday, January 12?
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145025/
thanks,
brian
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*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:43 PM
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tanek [dsta...@dstanek.com]
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It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not
private and are likely already logg
From: David Stanek [dsta...@dstanek.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:43 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not private and
are likely al
It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not private
and are likely already logged by dozens of people anyway.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Aedo wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote:
> > Fully agree... I don't see how enable logging
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote:
> Fully agree... I don't see how enable logging should be a limitation
> for freedom of thought. We've used it in Zaqar since day 0 and it's
> bee of great help for all of us.
>
> The logging does not remove the need of meetings where decisions
ove the need of meetings where decisions and
more relevant/important topics are discussed.
From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
Thanks Cindy!
Glance cores, can you all please pitch in?
-Nikhil
From: Cindy Pallares [cpalla...@redhat.com]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:28 PM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
I've m
,
-amrith
| -Original Message-
| From: Morgan Fainberg [mailto:morgan.fainb...@gmail.com]
| Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:58 AM
| To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
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| > On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, N
| To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
| Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
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|
| > On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar
| wrote:
| >
| > Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the
| project channel. My
, January 05, 2015 11:57 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar wrote:
>
> Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the project
> channel. My t
k back on things discussed outside of the official
meetings. I do admit it is used less frequently than the meeting logs.
--Morgan
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>
> From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM
> To: opensta
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 05:42:02AM -0600, Cindy Pallares wrote:
> I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance
> channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it didn't
> seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not discussed in
> the maili
e purposes; please do not take me any other way.
Thanks,
-Nikhil
From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
On 01/05/2015 06:42
On 01/05/2015 06:42 AM, Cindy Pallares wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance
> channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it
> didn't seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not
> discussed in the mailing li
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