I think logging the channel is a benefit even if, as Nikhil points out, it is not an official meeting. Trove logs both the #openstack-trove channel and the meetings when they occur. I have also had some conversations with other ATC's on #openstack-oslo and #openstack-security and have found that the eavesdrop logs at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ to be invaluable in either bug comments or code review comments.
The IRC channel is an integral part of communicating within the OpenStack community. The use of foul language and other inappropriate behavior should be monitored not by admins but by other members of the community and called out just as one would call out similar behavior in a non-virtual work environment. I submit to you that profanity and inappropriate conduct in an IRC channel constitutes a hostile work environment just as much as it does in a non-virtual environment. Therefore I submit to you that there is no place for such behavior on an IRC channel irrespective of whether it is logged or not. Thanks, -amrith | -----Original Message----- | From: Morgan Fainberg [mailto:morgan.fainb...@gmail.com] | Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:58 AM | To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) | Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging | | | | > On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar <nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com> | wrote: | > | > Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the | project channel. My take from the discussion was that it gives many a | folks a feeling of informal platform to express their ideas freely in | contrast to the meeting channels. | > | > However, at the same time I would like to point out that using foul | language in the open freenode channels is a bad practice. There are no | admins monitoring our project channels however, those channels that are | monitored have people kicked out on misbehavior. The point being, "no | logging" means freedom of thought for only the creative purposes; please | do not take me any other way. | > | > Thanks, | > -Nikhil | > | | I just want to point out that keystone has logging enabled for our channel | and I do not see it as a hamper to creative discussion / open discussion. | The logging is definitely of value. Also a lot of people will locally log | a given irc channel, which largely nets the same result. | | It is still not an official meeting, and we have heated debates at times, | the logging let's us check back on things discussed outside of the | official meetings. I do admit it is used less frequently than the meeting | logs. | | --Morgan | | Sent via mobile | > ________________________________________ | > From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info] | > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM | > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org | > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging | > | >> On 01/05/2015 06:42 AM, Cindy Pallares wrote: | >> Hi all, | >> | >> I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance | >> channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it | >> didn't seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not | >> discussed in the mailing list. A lot of information is exchanged | >> through the channel and it isn't accessible for people who | >> occasionally come into our channel from other projects, new | >> contributors, and people who don't want to be reached off-hours or | >> don't have bouncers. Logging our channel would increase our | >> community's transparency and make our development discussions | >> publicly accessible to contributors in all time-zones and from other | >> projects. It is very useful to look back on the logs for previous | >> discussions or as well as to refer people to discussions or questions | previously answered. | >> | >> | >> --Cindy | >> | >> [1] | >> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-13 | >> -20.03.log.html | >> | >> | >> _______________________________________________ | >> OpenStack-dev mailing list | >> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org | >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev | > Hi Cindy: | > | > You might want to consider offering a patch (you can use this one as | > an | > example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138965/2) and anyone with a | > strong perspective can express themselves with a vote and comment. | > | > Thanks, | > Anita. | > | > _______________________________________________ | > OpenStack-dev mailing list | > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org | > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev | > | > _______________________________________________ | > OpenStack-dev mailing list | > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org | > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev | | _______________________________________________ | OpenStack-dev mailing list | OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org | http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
