+1 to Flavio's proposal. Thanks, -Nikhil
________________________________________ From: Flavio Percoco [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:16 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging On 09/01/15 12:11 -0800, Joshua Harlow wrote: >So the only comment I'll put in is one that I know not everyone agrees >with but might as well throw it out there. > >http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml (this page has a bunch of >useful advice IMHO). > >From that; something useful to look/think over at least... > >""" >If you're considering publishing channel logs, think it through. The >freenode network is an interactive environment. Even on public >channels, most users don't weigh their comments with the idea that >they'll be enshrined in perpetuity. For that reason, few participants >publish logs. > >If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic >should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make >comments without logging, and get permission from the channel owners >before you start. If you're thinking of "anonymizing" your logs >(removing information that identifies the specific users), be aware >that it's difficult to do it well—replies and general context often >provide identifying information which is hard to filter. > >If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get >permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. >Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission >in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save >will most likely be your own. >""" (Joshua, the below is not about what you posted, I really appreciate you bringing the above into the discussion) FWIW, I kind of feel that channel logging should become an OpenStack thing and not a per-project thing. Log all openstack "official" channels, make it clear in the wiki/homepage/HoToContribute/WhateverYouWannaCallIt and move on. Nothing, absolutely nothing, prevents the above from happening right now. I've local (as in my ZNC server) logs of the last 1y 1/2 and I could just make them public. Really, IRC is basically(?) public by default and I - I know this is probably personal opinion - don't think there's a difference between a logged channel and a not logged one. If we wanted to make the channel private, we should password protect it and invite few people, make them sign a contract where they swear they won't publish logs and whatnot. Anyway, I think a good way to avoid these discussions for future projects is to simply enable logging on all openstack- channels. Cheers, Flavio > >Brian Rosmaita wrote: >>The response on the review is overwhelmingly positive (or, strictly >>speaking, unanimously non-negative). >> >>If anyone has an objection, could you please register it before 12:00 >>UTC on Monday, January 12? >> >>https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145025/ >> >>thanks, >>brian >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>*From:* David Stanek [[email protected]] >>*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:43 PM >>*To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >>*Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging >> >>It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not >>private and are likely already logged by dozens of people anyway. >> >>On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Aedo <[email protected] >><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > Fully agree... I don't see how enable logging should be a limitation >> > for freedom of thought. We've used it in Zaqar since day 0 and it's >> > bee of great help for all of us. >> > >> > The logging does not remove the need of meetings where decisions and >> > more relevant/important topics are discussed. >> >> Wanted to second this as well. I'm strongly in favor of logging - >> looking through backlogs of chats on other channels has been very >> helpful to me in the past, and it sure to help others in the future. >> I don't think there is danger of anyone pointing to a logged IRC >> conversation in this context as some statement of record. >> >> -Christopher >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> >> >> >> >>-- >>David >>blog: http://www.traceback.org >>twitter: http://twitter.com/dstanek >>www: http://dstanek.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>OpenStack-dev mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > >_______________________________________________ >OpenStack-dev mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
