Re: [Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread David Medberry
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 10:59 -0800, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > At the moment we have a page that lists some projects > http://openstack.org/Projects/. That's probably becoming too long now, > though and hard to use or update. What would be considered more > useful? I actually think this is fairly c

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread Monty Taylor
Ah yes - these are definitely different efforts, but I certainly wouldn't mind working together in some way. The focus of StackForge is development infrastructure hosting. We're working with the guys at cloudsoft (Adrian Cole actually) to get the jclouds plugin for jenkins finished so that we can

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 08:08 -0800, Monty Taylor wrote: > We've been working on spinning up a second copy of the OpenStack CI > infrastructure that is intended to be offered for the use of any > Satellite project without curation or approval (but be completely > optional - intended to be helpful, no

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread Matt Ray
This sounds slightly different from what TryStack.org is offering, perhaps efforts could be united? I'd love to have a one-stop place to test against multiple releases of OpenStack (Diablo, Essex, trunk, etc.). Thanks, Matt Ray Senior Technical Evangelist | Opscode Inc. m...@opscode.com | (512) 73

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread Monty Taylor
Funny story ... I JUST sent an email to the PPB about a thing I've been working on to help out here - although I do want to build an ion powered spacecraft. We've been working on spinning up a second copy of the OpenStack CI infrastructure that is intended to be offered for the use of any Satellit

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread Marton Kiss
Really, the fog presentation was lovely in Boston. Huge +1 Márton 2012/2/28 Matt Ray : > I'd add Fog, the Ruby cloud services library which has support for > OpenStack http://fog.io/ > > Thanks, > Matt Ray > Senior Technical Evangelist | Opscode Inc. > m...@opscode.com | (512) 731-2218 > Twitter,

Re: [Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread Matt Ray
I'd add Fog, the Ruby cloud services library which has support for OpenStack http://fog.io/ Thanks, Matt Ray Senior Technical Evangelist | Opscode Inc. m...@opscode.com | (512) 731-2218 Twitter, IRC, GitHub: mattray On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Marton Kiss wrote: > Hi, > > At Essex Design

[Openstack] Openstack Satellite projects

2012-02-28 Thread Marton Kiss
Hi, At Essex Design Summit, there was a session about Openstack Satellite Projects. Anybody knows something about that? I checked the archives, but not found too much improvement in that topic. The openness of core project API helps third party integrators or application developers to deliver app

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-17 Thread David Medberry
On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 10:01 -0700, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 08:58 -0400, Jay Pipes wrote: > > However, after re-reading the OpenStack trademark policy, it seems > > pretty clear to me that if we wish to use the term "OpenStack > > Satellite" as the name of this umbrella, that

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-17 Thread Chris Bohannon
@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Stefano Maffulli Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:02 PM To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 08:58 -0400, Jay Pipes wrote: > However, after re-reading the OpenStack trademark policy, it seems > pretty

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-17 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 08:58 -0400, Jay Pipes wrote: > However, after re-reading the OpenStack trademark policy, it seems > pretty clear to me that if we wish to use the term "OpenStack > Satellite" as the name of this umbrella, that Satellite absolutely may > not contain products primarily designat

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-16 Thread Chris Bohannon
site to begin with 24. Crowbar, devstack, etc. should go in there -Original Message- From: David Medberry [mailto:david.medbe...@canonical.com] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:10 PM To: Chris Bohannon Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: RE: [Openstack] openstack-satellite On Fri, 2011-10-14

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-15 Thread Bryan Taylor
On 10/15/2011 07:58 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: There is a well-defined trademark policy for OpenStack: http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-trademark-policy/ What is being used for "OpenStack Satellite" is simply the Word Mark, which is liberally applied to refer to the OpenStack project ecosyste

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-15 Thread Chris Bohannon
@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jay Pipes Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 4:52 PM To: Bryan Taylor Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Bryan Taylor wrote: > I don't know, but there are several obvious ne

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-15 Thread Jay Pipes
Hey Bryan, comments inline... On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Bryan Taylor wrote: > On 10/14/2011 04:52 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Bryan Taylor wrote: > > I don't know, but there are several obvious next steps: >  - Document publicly the criteria for a project to

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Bryan Taylor
On 10/14/2011 04:52 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Bryan Taylor wrote: I don't know, but there are several obvious next steps:  - Document publicly the criteria for a project to fit Not really sure there needs to be crite

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Jay Pipes
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Kiall Mac Innes wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2011 10:54 p.m., "Jay Pipes" wrote: >> I would advise NOT having any particular governance model for >> Satellite projects. The projects themselves should self-govern by the >> cultural norms of the programming language commun

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Kiall Mac Innes
On Oct 14, 2011 10:54 p.m., "Jay Pipes" wrote: > I would advise NOT having any particular governance model for > Satellite projects. The projects themselves should self-govern by the > cultural norms of the programming language communities that are > relevant to the project; since Satellite projec

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Jay Pipes
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Bryan Taylor wrote: > I don't know, but there are several obvious next steps: >  - Document publicly the criteria for a project to fit Not really sure there needs to be criteria, really... >  - Identify resources available to participating projects What do you m

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Jay Pipes
Chris B and I have a chat with folks at SourceForge on Monday about getting an OpenStack forge community site going... of course I will keep everyone informed. Cheers, -jay On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:24 PM, David Medberry wrote: > Hi, > > I've not seen anything following the ODS about OpenStack

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Tim Bell
Let's not raise the bar too high for Satellite The points mentioned (CI, QA, etc.) should be clearly documented with a y/n for the projects to aid selection but I would much rather try out a non-CI tool in the directory than have to write it all myself from scratch. Ultimately, the aim of

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Bryan Taylor
I don't know, but there are several obvious next steps: - Document publicly the criteria for a project to fit - Identify resources available to participating projects - Formalize it with the PPB and unleash it - Build the Satellite community A big question we didn't discuss is what the govern

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread David Medberry
On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 18:01 +, Chris Bohannon wrote: > Should we post them on the wiki? > > Thanks, > > Chris Just post them (wherever convenient) and drop a note on openstack@lists. I was in part just trying to confirm that the topic/discussion hadn't moved to another mailing list/channel.

Re: [Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread Chris Bohannon
m: openstack-bounces+chris.bohannon=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+chris.bohannon=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of David Medberry Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:25 AM To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack] openstack-satellite Hi, I&

[Openstack] openstack-satellite

2011-10-14 Thread David Medberry
Hi, I've not seen anything following the ODS about OpenStack Satellite (or whatever new name has been proposed). Is discussion going on another list? I also don't see an etherpad for it posted here: http://wiki.openstack.org/EssexSummitEtherpads Was the discussion captured somewhere else? -da

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-28 Thread Jim Evans
Oracles? Sent from my iPad On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: > To be clear (and I blame myself for using the term "shop" in my > reply), the goal certainly is NOT to monetize or marketize in the > ecosystem. I should have used the term "peruse the Bazaar" or "sit > around the OpenSt

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-28 Thread Chris Bohannon
Dickinson Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 23:03 -0500, John Dickinson wrote: > So you're looking for a place to point marketing? We already have > http://openstack.org/projects/ (which has a long list on it) and the

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-28 Thread Bryan Taylor
Another possiblity here would be to support satellite contributors with some kind of continuous integration against the development branches of openstack components. We would uprev and deploy new codebases of openstack and let registered satellite projects integrate against the latest code base

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-28 Thread Jay Pipes
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 23:03 -0500, John Dickinson wrote: >> So you're looking for a place to point marketing? We already have >> http://openstack.org/projects/ (which has a long list on it) and the >> wiki has plenty of space to add new pa

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 23:03 -0500, John Dickinson wrote: > So you're looking for a place to point marketing? We already have > http://openstack.org/projects/ (which has a long list on it) and the > wiki has plenty of space to add new pages, if necessary. However, the > original proposal is not abou

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-28 Thread Jay Pipes
To be clear (and I blame myself for using the term "shop" in my reply), the goal certainly is NOT to monetize or marketize in the ecosystem. I should have used the term "peruse the Bazaar" or "sit around the OpenStack town square and talk to the soap-box oracles". I don't know. Sometimes I wonder w

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-28 Thread Chris Bohannon
d.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+chris.bohannon=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jay Pipes Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:39 PM To: John Dickinson Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:47 PM, John Dickinson

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Bryan Taylor
It's way deeper than just "marketing". The idea is to encourage the community that creates complementary functionality to OpenStack to be more organized and to stay close to the main OpenStack community, and vice versa. The lines blur between these communities because you just can't deploy a cloud

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Jan Drake
Well, if the goal is to create a marketplace for openstack compatible products... meaning a place to find solutions built on and around openstack core (monetization is not my point)... then great... if the point is to aggregate ephemera then that seems like simply a directory/repository of indi

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread John Dickinson
So you're looking for a place to point marketing? We already have http://openstack.org/projects/ (which has a long list on it) and the wiki has plenty of space to add new pages, if necessary. However, the original proposal is not about a marketing landing page to promote an openstack ecosystem.

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Bryan Taylor
That's an impressive list. I haven't heard of half of them, which answers your question. On 9/27/11 5:47 PM, "John Dickinson" wrote: >What benefits does an openstack-satellite project bring? Other than all >using some openstack component, what do these projects have in common >that justifies gro

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:47 PM, John Dickinson wrote: > What benefits does an openstack-satellite project bring? Other than all using > some openstack component, what do these projects have in common that > justifies grouping them? For example, I know of many open source projects > that use sw

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Jan Drake
t: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite > > I think one benefit would be a greater breadth of contributors to OpenStack. > As far as I know, the core components are written in python and this could > limit the number of contributors to OpenStack outside of Swift, Glance, and > etc. This

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Darrel O'Pry
n=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net[openstack-bounces+matt.colton= rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] on behalf of Bryan Taylor [ btay...@rackspace.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:27 AM >> To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Subject: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite >&g

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Chris Bohannon
space@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jan Drake Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:31 PM To: John Dickinson Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite Doesn't make sense to me... satellite projects are typically integration projects around a core not sets of dependen

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Matt Colton
c: Matt Colton; openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Dickinson wrote: > What benefits does an openstack-satellite project bring? Other than all using > some openstack component, what do these projects have in common that > ju

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Jan Drake
n the Core mailing >> list. >> >> From: openstack-bounces+matt.colton=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net >> [openstack-bounces+matt.colton=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] on behalf >> of Bryan Taylor [btay...@rackspace.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:2

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Chris Bohannon
space@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jan Drake Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:31 PM To: John Dickinson Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite Doesn't make sense to me... satellite projects are typically integration projects around a core not sets of dependen

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Dickinson wrote: > What benefits does an openstack-satellite project bring? Other than all using > some openstack component, what do these projects have in common that > justifies grouping them? For example, I know of many open source projects > that use sw

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread John Dickinson
ailing > list. > > From: openstack-bounces+matt.colton=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net > [openstack-bounces+matt.colton=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] on behalf > of Bryan Taylor [btay...@rackspace.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:27 AM > To: openstack@lists.

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-27 Thread Matt Colton
[btay...@rackspace.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:27 AM To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack] OpenStack Satellite I just saw Chris Bohannon's talk at the design conference regarding OpenStack Satellite. This is an area for projects that are not part of the OpenStack CORE, b

[Openstack] OpenStack Satellite

2011-09-26 Thread Bryan Taylor
I just saw Chris Bohannon's talk at the design conference regarding OpenStack Satellite. This is an area for projects that are not part of the OpenStack CORE, but instead that simply support it: http://summit.openstack.org/sessions/view/3 I think this is an important idea. There's a lot of stu