[opensource-dev] the snowstorm backlog

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Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Gosh, couldn't we have simple meshes instead of display names? C# scripting, shared libraries, there are 100 features I think I could list that are to me are more important than this. Slim client back so I can talk to people when I can't be logged into the full client. -Original Message

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Sounds reasonable to me. I would like to extend this a little bit: Suppose I can't login to the grid for some reason using my main AV. And I need to login to take care of some things. So, I login with an alt. I would like a checkbox that says AllowOnlyMyAlts ToUseMyNameForDisplay. Maybe have

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Folks, neither the Scripters list nor opensource-dev are suitable places for discussing aspects of Display Names that don't directly relate to the lists' purposes. Not only is it off-topic, but there are far better venues for providing feedback to the project owners, such as in the blog post commen

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

What I'm wondering is if it is too late to drop the dot and the lower-casing from the user name as used or displayed. On 18/08/2010 12:55 PM, Kelly Linden wrote: (lets move this to the scripters list?) I need to refresh myself on this. There should be 3 names: user name: latif.khalifa full na

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

What if I dont want someone to use my username as their display name? This seems like a reasonable request. I shouldn't have to be a celebrity, etc. I just want to avoid confusion. Not to make a pun, but it's my namespace. I would propose that we get an account setting: AllowMyNameForDisplay Ha

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

I wanted to amend this that I also think 'Full Name' is what is shown in old viewers as well as for legacy LSL. But I need to triple verify that. - Kelly On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Kelly Linden wrote: > (lets move this to the scripters list?) > > I need to refresh myself on this. There s

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

(lets move this to the scripters list?) I need to refresh myself on this. There should be 3 names: user name: latif.khalifa full name: Latif Khalifa display name: The Awesome Latif Most (all?) the existing LSL functions will return the 'full name'. I also find it confusing to use Kelly DifferentL

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On 17 August 2010 02:44, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:27:34 -0700, Yoz Grahame wrote: > > > Linden Lab has the final say in what goes into the Linden Lab viewer. A > > third-party viewer team has the final say in what goes into their viewer. > > Indeed, but if LL is so close-mi

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

The big source of confusion regarding scripts is the following line from the FAQ: "Your username will automatically be formed from your existing avatar name in the form of your current Second Life firstname.lastname." Since existing functions will return username, does that mean they will return

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

I understand this is all coming about to make it easier for people. Fine and dandy there. But isn't this just limiting the overall number of users that will be allowed to create accounts? I mean there are only so many combinations of characters that could be created with the last name Resid

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowstorm, JIRA and versions

On 2010-08-17 20:00, Philippe (Merov) Bossut wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking at my backlog of SNOW bugs and I'm really missing right > now a "Snowstorm x.x" version in the "Fixed revision(s)" field. > Especially after this afternoon meeting where everyone agreed to work > off Snowstorm only and l

[opensource-dev] vehicles got some problem ?

Hi VW developers [developers are future] I want to ask you question about vehicles As I know vehicles got some problem in OpenSim isn't it ? so is there any news about Vehicles in Opensim. I want it to run some car script on OpenSim please help anyone thanks in advance !!! ___

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

On 8/17/10 4:47 PM, "Michael Schlenker" wrote: > Am 18.08.2010 um 01:16 schrieb Bryon Ruxton: > >> Sorry if lacked clarification, >> I was referring to the "current" residents names (as capitalized), NOT the >> new display name which will become the person's username as I understand it. >> >>

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/17/2010 5:14 AM, Aidan Thornton wrote: > For example, this shows up in the replacement of pie menus with > standard right-click menus. The big advantage of pie menus is that > they're fast to use - all the entries are large and easy to hit with >

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

I shall attempt to clarify my clarification. I realize in point of fact that you are not saying that my current, login name, of Andromeda Quonset was going to change to something else. What I was attempting to do was post what amounts to pseudocode. My mistake. What I said was if I set my DISP

[opensource-dev] Snowstorm, JIRA and versions

Hi, I'm looking at my backlog of SNOW bugs and I'm really missing right now a "Snowstorm x.x" version in the "Fixed revision(s)" field. Especially after this afternoon meeting where everyone agreed to work off Snowstorm only and let SG2.x dies. For instance, there a JIRA issue ( http://jira.second

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Am 18.08.2010 um 01:16 schrieb Bryon Ruxton: > Sorry if lacked clarification, > I was referring to the "current" residents names (as capitalized), NOT the > new display name which will become the person's username as I understand it. > > Because of the added flexibility with Display Names, I see

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

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Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/17/2010 4:30 PM, Kelly Linden wrote: > * IF (and only IF) you use a new viewer AND set a display name (lets say > to "Andromeda") then other people may see you as Andromeda. Any scripts > that do llGetDisplayName will get Andromeda. If they do l

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

No, that's not the case, display names are not returned to the existing LSL functions. Your existing account will always be seen as Andromeda Quonset to existing scripts no matter what you change your display name to. New LSL calls used to return display names to new scripts equally will not be

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

*'like the entire world being a 4 x 4 inch area to work from in the middle of my 22" widescreen with great big blacked-out edges to fill-in around that 4 x 4 inch area.'* * * The issue above is most likely a display driver issue with your current configuration. I wouldn't think that this is an issu

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

* Scripts will work the same across all viewer versions. Scripts are server side. It does not matter which viewer you use. * You will never be Andromeda DisplayName. * You will never be Andromeda Resident * You will never be Andromeda.Quonset Resident * You will always be Andromeda Quonset to a

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

The main area I can foresee there being a problem is fraud. Someone changes their name to "BlakOpal Customer Service" and then hangs out at one of our in-world store locations when we're not around scamming customers ("give me lindens, and I'll send you stuff cheap") or griefing. I'm also conce

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Sorry if lacked clarification, I was referring to the "current" residents names (as capitalized), NOT the new display name which will become the person's username as I understand it. Because of the added flexibility with Display Names, I see it a good opportunity to enforce the official First and

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Lance Corrimal wrote: > > ... I guess that means the end for logging in with 1.x based viewers, > does it? I'm sure third party viewer developers are capable of backporting something as simple as display names. ;-) (Besides all the points mentioned above about ho

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Sighs. I see you misunderstood. Perhaps I have, too, in usage of the word "Resident". In my post, where I referenced "Andromeda Resident", change that to "Andromeda DisplayName" In a script that has been compiled to use a new function, presumably compiled under a 2.X viewer, when an AV that

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

You will be Andromeda Quonset across all viewers and all scripts. All existing scripts and new scripts using the existing functions will continue to get Andromeda Quonset. You will *never* be Andromeda Resident (unless you make another account after the change takes effect). Andromeda Resident woul

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Great. Now I can look forward to "Dahlia9993482 Resident" -dahlia (case intentional) On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Erik Anderson < eri...@odysseus.anderson.name> wrote: > I wouldn't say "forever", I suspect a few years down the line it would be > transitioned to "Andromeda.Quonset Resident" an

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

I wouldn't say "forever", I suspect a few years down the line it would be transitioned to "Andromeda.Quonset Resident" and then permanently drop the last name... On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Brian McGroarty wrote: > This is correct. Andromeda Quonset will be Andromeda Quonset forever. > At s

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

This is correct. Andromeda Quonset will be Andromeda Quonset forever. At some point, new residents won't be able to choose a last name - only these will be "Resident" No existing script function will return different results than it does today. New script functions are added for fetching/referenci

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Indeed. Wasn't there an issue in recent weeks/month with regard to the forum software and the case of the first letter of a name? At 04:23 PM 8/17/2010, you wrote: The fact that people have lower case first names isn't always a typo, in many cases it is intended. Please do not force capitali

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

My interpretation of what was said is that the script using a 2.X viewer would NOT say "Andromeda Resident", SL is just stating that users in the future will not be asked for a last name when they sign up, all new users after that point would have a last name of "Resident", which the 2.X viewers wo

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Brian, Thank you for responding. I have already left a post in the blog feedback, but I don't expect anything I post there to be taken seriously. Most of what I work on in-world are scripts. I am concerned about such things as llDetectedName and llKey2name getting confused and making scripts

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

The fact that people have lower case first names isn't always a typo, in many cases it is intended. Please do not force capitalization on names. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > As you are implementing this, you may to consider forcing capitalization > via > JavaScript o

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

As you are implementing this, you may to consider forcing capitalization via JavaScript or else on the first name (from the official actual username) e.g. "first Linden" look bad as if there is a typo in there and such proper nouns are normally capitalized. I have always found it annoying to see l

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Andromeda Quonset wrote: > Andromeda Quonset groans very loudly. > > How can we get this new "feature" cancelled before it ever gets > implemented?  Seriously.  Very bad idea. In the comments on that blog post, they say there will be a public beta. I would: 1) Co

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

Andromeda Quonset groans very loudly. How can we get this new "feature" cancelled before it ever gets implemented? Seriously. Very bad idea. At 03:34 PM 8/17/2010, you wrote: >... >http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/08/17/display- >names-bringing-greater-self-expression-t

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Lance Corrimal wrote: > ... > http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/08/17/display- > names-bringing-greater-self-expression-to-second-life > > ... I guess that means the end for logging in with 1.x based viewers, > does it? Old viewers will cont

[opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

... http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/08/17/display- names-bringing-greater-self-expression-to-second-life ... I guess that means the end for logging in with 1.x based viewers, does it? or could the whole login panel + auth code in 1.5 adapted to a username that consist

Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue 26

@ Henri - Indeed, it was the lack of interest in completing a User's Manual for the viewer that caused me to look to other pastures. This is after 6 years of development, you still had not documented your product. Myself and several other people wrote most of a manual (http://wiki.secondlif

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:19:15 +0200, Laurent Bechir wrote: > Bryon Ruxton a écrit : >> Mike, >> >> First of all, I said "us" in the context of those, like Henri, who >> hate the sidebar. As for "we" in general, "us" and "we" still don't work. "hating a sidebar" is not a serious approach to UI.

[opensource-dev] no 3D; was: Open Viewer Development Announcement

mysticaldem...@xrgrid.com wrote: > ... I personally see at least 4 UI > implementations that are needed, 1) web based light weight. 2) Mobile, > maybe no 3D. 3. Typical user. 4. Power user or designer. "no 3D" That's an interesting idea. At first it seems that having 3D would be essential,

Re: [opensource-dev] [IDEA] Access to Object content without rezzing. (was: Open Viewer Development Announcement)

Eep ! I hope it won't bring its own share of permission defects ! This is VERY sensitive matter that is being fiddled with here ! On 17 August 2010 16:31, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > [I'm cross posting this to several mailing lists to solicit feedback. To > avoid clutter, please *do not reply to

[opensource-dev] [IDEA] Access to Object content without rezzing. (was: Open Viewer Development Announcement)

[I'm cross posting this to several mailing lists to solicit feedback. To avoid clutter, please *do not reply to all of them* when answering, unless there's a valid reason to do so. To avoid scattering the discussion, please *do reply to sl...@lists.secondlife.com

Re: [opensource-dev] Where are the auto builds?

On Tuesday 17 August 2010 15:37:47 Aleric Inglewood wrote: > The auto builds (at least for 1.5) seem to have stopped. > Can this please be fixed asap? seconded. bye, LC ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.c

[opensource-dev] Where are the auto builds?

The auto builds (at least for 1.5) seem to have stopped. Can this please be fixed asap? Aleric ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmod

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

1. LL had added some nice features to the viewer that make the NEW user experience good. 2. If some one wants to make a 'skin' that gives the 'apperance' of the old UI while maintain the functionality of the new UI I think that would be the best path to take. -Original Message- From: open

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

"It is absolutely not going to happen, and any suggestion to that effect will be ignored." So much for "It's your world your imagination" This has been apparent for some time now. Thanks for being 100% clear and now I think we have found the issue that keeps LL firmly planted in "It's our wor

Re: [opensource-dev] list for builds from the new snowstorm viewer-development repository?=

I have been looking @ the hg interface for TortiosHG and from what I can tell it dose alloy you to view the commits and all notes concerning that commit. -Original Message- From: opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com [mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of K

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On 8/16/10, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: > Think about it for a minute - there are an infinite number of possible > solutions for how to build a UI for a virtual world viewer - what are > the odds that the first or second attempt produced the best possible > UI? We need new and creative idea

Re: [opensource-dev] Fwd: Successful Build Nr. 208114 for oz_viewer-development (39db065f8899) on Darwin

There's a problem with the Windows build at the moment in that it's using an old version of llkdu.dll, sorry about that my fault completely for not noticing, we'll get it fixed ASAP. In the mean time you should be able to drop in llkdu.dll in from a recent Release or Snowglobe build to get it go

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

I have to say, making new users a top priority was one of the most disappointing things I have heard LL say. Usually paying customers get top priority. What about people that have been with them for years and supported them. What about all these designers that sweat hours to make products. I th

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Yoz Grahame wrote: > > The Snowstorm project is aimed at dramatically increasing community > involvement in Viewer development and improving communications around it. Very nice words indeed. But not new. Shall we look into what happens when user experience clashes

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

I use SLv2 code base viewers unless I need to go into complex build environments. The SLv2 code has a lot of performance issues that don't exist in the 1.x code. And it has nothing to do with avatar attachments since the crashes occur in regions with only me in them. When I need to go to those

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:27:34 -0700, Yoz Grahame wrote: > Linden Lab has the final say in what goes into the Linden Lab viewer. A > third-party viewer team has the final say in what goes into their viewer. Indeed, but if LL is so close-minded as to reject any change to the UI that would allow v1 l

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:56:25 -0400, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: > On 2010-08-16 14:23, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > > Well, the first improvement to do is to actually revert 80% of the UI > > to the way v1.23's one was working, especially getting rid of that > > moronic side bar and its modal

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On Tuesday 17 August 2010 10:10:01 Marine Kelley wrote: > > Suggestions: > > - make notifications (inventory offers, group notices) stay on screen > > like they used to be > > I'm sure there is a debug setting or an XML option to do that, I'll look > when I have time. But they would pile up pretty

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

> Suggestions: > - make notifications (inventory offers, group notices) stay on screen like > they used to be > I'm sure there is a debug setting or an XML option to do that, I'll look when I have time. But they would pile up pretty quickly, unlike 1.x the notification do not hide each other (whic

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

Totally forgot to mention: HATE: the new IM / notification / local chat interface. I have yet to see a communications interface that is THAT cumbersome and badly designed. Suggestions: - make notifications (inventory offers, group notices) stay on screen like they used to be - put chat and IM

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

On Tuesday 17 August 2010 00:39:53 Mike Monkowski wrote: > Bryon Ruxton wrote: > > I think addressing the hurdles that prevent people still on 1.23 to > > move to 2.0 before you get into > > > > “Rapid, effective deployment of new features and functionality.” is the > > > > most urgent priority