On 06/28/10 09:57 PM, Giovanni wrote:
I really do hope it it like you say.
Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way.
I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well).
1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently)
2) Support for "new" hardware is still
I really do hope it it like you say.
Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way.
I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well).
1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently)
2) Support for "new" hardware is still in development branches (new SAS 2
cont
I’m really missing pre-Oracle Sun.
Recently, my company decided to purchase many Sun Fire X4200 servers. We needed
DC power supplies and nothing too powerful CPU wise. Less than 24 hours upon
submitting an order, we decided we wanted to lower the amount of systems
ordered. In order to do so, we
>
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:40 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
> > That said, many of my friends are amazed to learn
> that they can so effortlessly run such a highly
> revered OS (the Solaris proper, not OpenSolaris--most
> of them really don't care about the latter and I am
> sure Oracle's people cannot
> > From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org
> [mailto:opensolaris-
> > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of
> Edward Ned Harvey
> >
> > You suck, quit whining unless you're being
> productive somehow.
>
> I apologize for using this language.
>
> This is a discussion list, wher
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni
>
> We were developing a solution based on OpenSolaris/ZFS
> GIven the current silence, we are seriously evaluating the move to
> Linux.
There is no current silence.
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey
>
> You suck, quit whining unless you're being productive somehow.
I apologize for using this language.
This is a discussion list, where people want to eithe
Is there something missing from what Fluendo offers? I use it for QuickTime,
Flash, and everything Microsoft.
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On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:40 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
> That said, many of my friends are amazed to learn that they can so
> effortlessly run such a highly revered OS (the Solaris proper, not
> OpenSolaris--most of them really don't care about the latter and I am sure
> Oracle's people cannot avoi
Well,I still think OSOl its way too good as a product/test platform/whatever to
be thrown out to the garbage ..
I would say that OSOL will be around for quite some time,however maybe not as a
production ready OS,like I would like..
But who am I to "demand" anything?I'm just a tiny customer of Ora
Orvar Korvar wrote:
> Oracle has Unbreakable Linux, and it has probably video codecs.
Probably? Why would you guess that?
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I just mentioned osol as part of the ZFS appliance stack,because if is it
working why should you change it? In this case,it seems like a big business
deal to change the OS of product,that already exists in the market..
I can imagine the deal of necessary Q/A tests to make sure that OSOL could be
Oracle has Unbreakable Linux, and it has probably video codecs. Would it be
possible that Oracle can use those video codec license for OSOL?
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> An with that no support nor updates unless you are willing to spend a life
> fortune or run the
> bleeding edge. Oh you could also wait 6-12 months and have someone probing
> the massive
> security holes that only get fixed if you run a bleeding edge or spend your
> life insurance policy
>
>
> How is that any different from how Sun positioned it?
> I always got the
> impression that OS was the development platform for
> Solaris Next. How
> has that changed?
>
> fpsm
I had the impression with a stable release and a service contract,
OpenSolaris could be also be used in productio
On 06/28/10 01:37 PM, Erik Trimble wrote:
On 6/28/2010 1:30 PM, Serge Fonville wrote:
What I would wish to see in the future, is an option to setup a ZFS
mirror at installation stage.
I would definitely vouch for that, the current way of setting up a
boot mirror is kind of a hassle
Please ta
> On my Mac (under VirtualBox, since it's
> tedious to set up a
> Mac to triple-boot, and I already have to have XP on
> there for a few
> gadgets that only can be updated from XP, plus the
> service manual on
> CD for one of my cars, that can only be viewed with
> IE), OpenSolaris
> seems about
On 6/28/2010 1:30 PM, Serge Fonville wrote:
What I would wish to see in the future, is an option to setup a ZFS mirror at
installation stage.
I would definitely vouch for that, the current way of setting up a
boot mirror is kind of a hassle
Please take this conversation over to in
On 6/28/2010 12:52 PM, John Plocher wrote:
In Oracle's mind, one is a development work in progress, the other is
a revenue product. Guess which one gets the corporate focus?
-John
Don't make the mistake of thinking that OpenSolaris is going to somehow
be "finished" at some point, and *the
> What I would wish to see in the future, is an option to setup a ZFS mirror at
> installation stage.
I would definitely vouch for that, the current way of setting up a
boot mirror is kind of a hassle
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John Plocher wrote:
> In Oracle's mind, one is a development work in progress, the other is a
> revenue product. Guess which one gets the corporate focus?
Whether OpenSolaris is a revenue product can only be proven by cutting it off
and then checking how much the sales go down.
I would call it
On 06/28/10 15:59, Bruno Sousa wrote:
> Maybe i'm not seeing the big picture, but i thought that the all ZFS
> appliance line runned in some "custom" OpenSolaris, making OSOL a
> revenue product.
> But than again...what do i understand about business anyway...
>
> Bruno
>
No, that makes the ZFS
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Edward Martinez wrote:
> I guess OpenSolaris was position only as a developmental platform,
> something similar to fedora.
How is that any different from how Sun positioned it? I always got the
impression that OS was the development platform for Solaris Next. H
Did you see today's announcement of the new systems?
alan
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Maybe i'm not seeing the big picture, but i thought that the all ZFS
appliance line runned in some "custom" OpenSolaris, making OSOL a
revenue product.
But than again...what do i understand about business anyway...
Bruno
On 28-6-2010 21:52, John Plocher wrote:
> In Oracle's mind, one is a develop
Yepp, it was it. You solved this problem too. I just applied the fix and
rebooted. Thanks Alan! :o)
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In Oracle's mind, one is a development work in progress, the other is a
revenue product. Guess which one gets the corporate focus?
-John
Let's hope this is just an omission , so far, but on the OS
> compatibility list of all these new servers, Opensolaris doesn't
> appears...Only Oracle VM,
I feel I have seen similar language and behaviour when people have kicked off
on many different forums, especially Linux forums, how dare you say anything
bad about their Linux distro! (to mention a few: Ubuntu, Suse, Debian, Gentoo)
The problem is that we are all fed up with waiting, and we are
On 28-6-2010 21:41, dd pn wrote:
>> Will be interesting to see benchmarks! :o)
>>
> For X4800 see,
> http://blogs.sun.com/BestPerf/entry/20100628_x4800_spec_cpu2006_rate
>
Let's hope this is just an omission , so far, but on the OS
compatibility list of all these new servers, Opensolaris do
For me, installation of 2009.06 version on a 2-disk machine was fast and easy.
It was extremely slow however until I have changed my old worn-out CD-ROM drive.
What I would wish to see in the future, is an option to setup a ZFS mirror at
installation stage.
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> Will be interesting to see benchmarks! :o)
For X4800 see,
http://blogs.sun.com/BestPerf/entry/20100628_x4800_spec_cpu2006_rate
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Will be interesting to see benchmarks! :o)
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> Its difficult for me to even state what interest I
> even had with this OS anymore. I started trying to
> familiarize myself with some of this in 2005 but
> stayed clear of the whole Indiana .com debate. Now
> sxce is dead and gone so you have to deal with this
> can of worms.
IPS doesn't both
The Installer finds all the disk for the user to select onto which one
Opensolaris is to be installed. I selected c8d0. Upon reboot, I found grub is
not installed onto the specified disk. I felt that it was put onto c9d0.
In general, I found the installer failed to put the bootloader onto the
> On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 10:36 -0700, W. Wayne Liauh
> wrote:
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > Sorry for forking the question, but have you
> recently had any success in booting Milax 0.5 from
> its vdi image? I keep getting the "WARNING: init(1M)
> exited on fatal signal 9, restarting automatically"
> messag
Its difficult for me to even state what interest I even had with this OS
anymore. I started trying to familiarize myself with some of this in 2005 but
stayed clear of the whole Indiana debate. Now sxce is dead and gone so you
have to deal with this can of worms.
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Thank you for your correction. I was misguided. Nevertheless, 4 days aren't
that much (and two of them a week-end) so I think it'll be prudent to wait a
few days more :)
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For those that were not able to watch the webcast.
quote:
"Extending its leadership in the x86 clustered systems market, Oracle announced
its next-generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems, including rackmount
servers, blades and a 10 GbE cluster fabric.
These systems, which ship with Oracl
While it has been slightly amusing to watch all the trolls baiting each
other here, this whole taunting and name calling episode has gotten rather
old. Could you (collectively) take it outside and off this alias - the rest
of us don't care to watch as you decend into kindergarten again...
-Joh
Guys,
Come on please, this is enough.
This is supposed to be a professional forum where we "discuss" issues within
our *community*. I for one would much rather we got back to that than trading
insults. I appreciate we are frustrated at the present situation with regards
OpenSolaris/Solaris in
On 6/28/2010 10:41 AM, Gary wrote:
Another high-IQ comment.
One cannot have their own opinion, otherwise one is maligned, with nasty, rude
comments.
I've never seen such elementary commentary from any other operating system
forum before. OpenSolaris is the first.
It must make Oracle proud t
Another high-IQ comment.
One cannot have their own opinion, otherwise one is maligned, with nasty, rude
comments.
I've never seen such elementary commentary from any other operating system
forum before. OpenSolaris is the first.
It must make Oracle proud to know they have such low-brow, knu
Orvar Korvar wrote:
> I have encountered this bug, where the computer lags incredibly much,
> including sound:
> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=12799
>
> Then I tried to edit the power.conf file as described and rebooted and
> everything is fine. Except one thing: The shell win
Sounds more like a terminal issue than a shell problem.
Are you using gnome-terminal or xterm? What is the TERM environment
variable set to?
- Keith
On 06/28/10 10:13 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote:
I have encountered this bug, where the computer lags incredibly much, including
sound:
http://defect
To answer my own post, I just followed the above; it was disappointing from the
point of view of this thread - OpenSolaris was never mentioned (Oracle Solaris
was).
Still waiting for any signs...
Chavdar
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I have encountered this bug, where the computer lags incredibly much, including
sound:
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=12799
Then I tried to edit the power.conf file as described and rebooted and
everything is fine. Except one thing: The shell window. I have severe problems
typ
How about you going back to where you came from?
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Troll. Or moron. Your choice. (I choose both, a moronic Troll or a Trollish
moron)
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Gary, first of all, I'd like to say sorry for the offending words.
I had been thinking to answer your first email (yesterday), and counter that
by facts, but said to myself, "It's Sunday", so I hoped, that others would do
so (which they did by now) and you would not try to insist. You choose
diffe
> I agree with you.
>
> We were developing a solution based on
> OpenSolaris/ZFS
> GIven the current silence, we are seriously
> evaluating the move to Linux.
>
> It is impossibile to develop anything relying on
> something that is in the cloud: how to trust (and be
> trusted by customers)?
>
>
> You can say absoultely anything vulgar or crass and
> insulting as long as your opinions are favorable of
> OpenSolaris and/or Oracle.
You're not getting censored (give or take the four-letter word
blocking that I suspect is automatic if posting and/or reading
via the Jive forums). The only peo
I guess, "we" (not Sun/Oracle, but the Solaris ecosystem) even still do have
customers running SunOS 4.X somewhere... These had been OEMd by some major
long-term suppliers for nuclear power plants, or medical apparatus, airport
control systems, you name it... I really wouldn't be surprised to still
> Go have a pity party? Smallest violin?
>
> No wonder OpenSolaris is in trouble, it has the
> smallest minds as its user base.
What do you want? "I feel your pain?" I offer a suggestion,
if obviously a smart-a$$ed one, and you respond
with an ad-hominem (if a rather general one). Hardly a de
I agree with you.
We were developing a solution based on OpenSolaris/ZFS
GIven the current silence, we are seriously evaluating the move to Linux.
It is impossibile to develop anything relying on something that is in the
cloud: how to trust (and be trusted by customers)?
I am afraid of this, bu
Unprofessional comment when talking about operating system releases?
However you see words such as "bullshit" and "smallest violin" as professional?
As I said previously, as long as you bow down and glorify OpenSolaris you can
say anything you want without reprimand.
You are a disgrace to OpenS
[...]
> This is what you get when you register for the event
> with a host running OpenSolaris:
> Test Your System
>
> Operating System Failed We have detected that
> your operating system does not meet the optimal
> webcast specifications for listening to and/or
> view
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Gary wrote:
> An operating system that is 14-months-old is a relic and as good as dead.
>
>
This is a very unprofessional comment and shows you have small amount of
experience with system in production.
A Server OS like Solaris/ OpenSolaris is not something like
> It has been stated time and time again that it's
> _very unlikely_ that anything will be revealed before
> the fiscal year is over. That's on thursday the
> earliest.
Just FYI, the Fiscal Year End was 2010-05-31 and the results were released last
Thursday, the 24th.
Being patient for a bit lon
Empty barrels tend to make the loudest noises...
It has been stated time and time again that it's _very unlikely_ that anything
will be revealed before the fiscal year is over. That's on thursday the
earliest.
So why not keep a little peace and zip it until then? At least Oracle will
reveal _s
> Do you participate in a commodore or amiga discussion
> group? If opensolaris
> is dead or dying, why don't you be productive and go
> discuss the new OS that
> you're going to use instead moving forward.
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You can say absoultely anything vulgar or crass and insulting as long as your
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You make the OpenSolaris user base look so mature and intelligent.
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>
> https://event.on24.com/eventRegistration/EventLobbySer
> vlet?target=registration.jsp&eventid=214702&sessionid=
> 1&key=292835FC0FC2AFAD25A9273BA0F489FF&sourcepage=regi
> ster
>
> The blurb does not mention Opensolaris specifically,
> but it is difficult to imagine not being discussed at
> al
to mister harvey
I work at neither company, but I am a great fan of Solaris, since about 2005
when Solaris 10 debuted. But what I don't like is the little bait and switch
that happened with the oracle buyout and the subsequent treatment of the
community members of the "open source initiative" t
Hi Gary,
On 06/28/10 14:41, Gary wrote:
If that post doesn't get your account suspended Totally inappropriate
language.
Well, it is hard to find proper language for your comments, do not be
surprised. Yes, we can ignore them and follow others, if you want.
But I also guess if yo
> > I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I
> > was a avid user of the Amiga and hung on month
> after
> > month as promises were made but nothing ever came
> of
> > them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful
> > time and it is a shame.
> > A simple explanation of why the delay
>
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 13:08, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
>
> > BTW: Ever heard of VMS or MVS? Still LIVING, and
> still good!
>
> Or indeed Solaris 8 and 9, which are still used in
> production in many places.
>
Well, we've got some 10 x86 and Sparc servers still on 2.6; from time to time I
do
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Mike DeMarco
>
> I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga.
Do you participate in a commodore or amiga discussion group? If opensolaris
is dead or dying, why don't you
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Chad Welsh
>
> So who is ready to be let down with the "anyday Opensolaris will be
> released" mantra?
Do you work at Microsoft, or Apple?
You suck, quit whining unless you're
> I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I
> was a avid user of the Amiga and hung on month after
> month as promises were made but nothing ever came of
> them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful
> time and it is a shame.
> A simple explanation of why the delay is not too
> muc
On 28 Jun 2010, at 13:40, Mike DeMarco wrote:
> I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I was a avid user of the
> Amiga and hung on month after month as promises were made but nothing ever
> came of them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful time and it is a
> shame.
And yet
On 28.06.2010 09:07, Chad Welsh wrote:
> So who is ready to be let down with the "anyday Opensolaris will be released"
> mantra?
> Are you really going to be willing to submit to the we will tell you what you
> need to know attitude like all of the other vendors?
Relax, it was renamed "2010.H1"
>And the other operating systems I printed release dates for are RELEASES.
>I'm not talking about development releases like you mentioned. If I were
>to do that the list would be too long. All of those are RELEASES. OpenSolaris
>hasn't had a RELEASE in 13 months (and it's 14 months old). z/OS
2.5.1 too
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Calum Benson wrote:
>
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 13:08, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
>
>> BTW: Ever heard of VMS or MVS? Still LIVING, and still good!
>
> Or indeed Solaris 8 and 9, which are still used in production in many places.
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
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You make a valid distinction between source and distro.
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If that post doesn't get your account suspended Totally inappropriate
language.
But I also guess if you are pro-OpenSolaris then you'll be good to go and can
say anything you want (and smiley faces make it okay).
2009.06 is not less than a year old. I supoose they froze the build and it
On 28 Jun 2010, at 13:08, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
> BTW: Ever heard of VMS or MVS? Still LIVING, and still good!
Or indeed Solaris 8 and 9, which are still used in production in many places.
Cheeri,
Calum.
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I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I was a avid user of the Amiga
and hung on month after month as promises were made but nothing ever came of
them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful time and it is a shame.
A simple explanation of why the delay is not too much to ask!
> An operating system that is 14-months-old is a relic
> and as good as dead.
>
> Look at my other post showing release dates of other
> operating systems and only OpenSolaris has had no
> releases.
>
> Oracle specifically said in an article they would not
> include some technologies in OpenSolar
Gary, offending words below... ;-) So, please be careful... ;-)
You (Gary) wrote:
> An operating system that is 14-months-old is a relic and as good as dead.
Bullshit! It seems, you've never been inside a real DataCenter, and have never
experienced slow adoption rates... ;-) I've seen systems bei
An operating system that is 14-months-old is a relic and as good as dead.
Look at my other post showing release dates of other operating systems and only
OpenSolaris has had no releases.
Oracle specifically said in an article they would not include some technologies
in OpenSolaris they develop
This is the next whimper in a queue, when the America is discovered again and
again.
Those who need the Solaris,, they will use it, even oracle wants them to pay
for any bit processed with each system cpu.
But such a way will definitely not attract new fellows. The same as SCO Unix,
McDona
> So who is ready to be let down with the "anyday
> Opensolaris will be released" mantra?
> Are you really going to be willing to submit to the
> we will tell you what you need to know attitude like
> all of the other vendors?
>
> specially when it comes to information on such a
> small and minus
So who is ready to be let down with the "anyday Opensolaris will be released"
mantra?
Are you really going to be willing to submit to the we will tell you what you
need to know attitude like all of the other vendors?
Especially when it comes to information on such a small and minuscule operatin
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