Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Stephan Althaus
Hello Chris! Just in the rare case you did't know it yet, there's joyent pkgsrc where a hole lot of packages are patched to build on Illumos derivates. At least worth to have look at in case of 'problems'. https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/ Greetings, Stephan On 01/20/21 08:46, Chris wrote: On 202

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread david allan finch
On 01/19/21 06:40 PM, Araragi Hokuto wrote: 2) What interface are you using, video console, terminal emulator under X, or something else (through ssh, etc)? I have found that some terminal emulators are quicker than others. I normally switch to xterm when I find I have an issue with terminal

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] wiki has been dead all day

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
Confirmed. On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 09:58:48 +0700 Chris wrote > Like the subject says. :-) > > Just thought I'd mention it. As I've been directed there > by my searched for information. But the wiki times out with > a 503. > > Thanks! :-) > > > -- > > ___

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread david allan finch
On 01/19/21 06:50 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I have always noticed that Solaris (and OpenIndiana) is slower to fork processes than Linux or FreeBSD.  It seems slower to enlarge the process address space as well (perhaps because it does not lie). This is because Linux lies to an app about new p

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
I would love to have XFCE. But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay royal to MATE. You can't found any other DE's packages on the repo. There are packages for many window manager, though. You have to do pretty much anything yourself, with your own repo publisher. BTW, a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
If you could please have a look at the Trinity DE, too. It's KDE3 indeed. https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ It advertised that it support Linux, FreeBSD and DilOS. DilOS is just another Illumos distro and I confirm that there are tde's packages on DilOS. The sad thing is I can't really get them

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Wednesday, January 20, 2021, Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: > I would love to have XFCE. > > But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay royal to MATE. > > You can't found any other DE's packages on the repo. > > There a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss
In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: I would love to have XFCE. But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay royal to MATE. You can't found any other DE's packages on the repo. You might want to review the mailing list archives f

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Stephan Althaus
Hello! Please keep in mind, that almost every Linux distro has much more manpower to maintain those many packages and DEs. If you volunteer to maintain an other DE for OI  i doubt that this would be a problem for our OI first-level maintainers. Maybe a good starting point for XFCE would be

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Michael Schuster
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 12:41 PM david allan finch wrote: > On 01/19/21 06:50 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > I have always noticed that Solaris (and OpenIndiana) is slower to fork > > processes than Linux or FreeBSD. It seems slower to enlarge the > > process address space as well (perhaps becau

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
I will took me hours to write a very long mail to answer each of your points. So I will give you a short summary: I have tried it on both physical machine and virtual machine, my graphics performance is good on the physical machine, I could watch 4K video without much tearing. I would say it's s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
Unfortunately, pkgsrc requires a POSIX shell so dash can't be used. They stated very clear on system with dash as /bin/sh, the user has to export SH=/bin/bash in order to have a successful bootstrap. Later the value of sh which is /bin/bash was carried into mk.conf, too. On Wed, 20 Jan

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
I do a little correction. BSD sh is ash. Debian's sh is dash. They are both Almquist Shell but not the same thing. On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 01:50:17 +0700 Bob Friesenhahn wrote > On Tue, 19 Jan 2021, Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss wrote: > > > Maybe our system just showi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread david allan finch
On 01/20/21 12:50 PM, Michael Schuster wrote: what you're describing is memory overcommit, which Solaris never did (at least not while I was at Sun). Good. BTW HP or IBM Unix was the first one I saw do this and they even had special signals, to tell you. Sorry you app had to die as we lied ab

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Araragi Hokuto
Now we're finally progressing. And I believe we can progress even more efficiently if you can provide the needed information instead of accusing my "hatred" (which I sincerely do not have; an anonymous person on the other side of the screen isn't significant enough for me to develop hatred for.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 00:28, Stephan Althaus wrote: On 01/20/21 08:46, Chris wrote: On 2021-01-19 22:58, Judah Richardson wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 12:55 AM Chris wrote: Well I was finally able to get OI on one of my spares. I wanted to do so, so that I could start adding/upgrading some OI pack

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
Regardless of it's good behavior or not, this does give Linux a huge advantage over us. The different is significant. If we want to continue to keep our Solaris heritage and continue to ridicule Linux, then OK, it's fine. This is a note for anyone going to use Illumos as a build server: it will

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 03:51, Hung Nguyen Gia wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 13:55:13 +0700 Chris wrote > Well I was finally able to get OI on one of my spares. > I wanted to do so, so that I could start adding/upgrading > some OI packages. As I began looking at the process I > stumbled on dis

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss
I'm posting on MX Linux, not OI. As I said, my stupid BIOS hates OI. I have tested on two instances. First, physical machine. This is when I removed all disks from my system but only keep the OI disk, OI could boot and functional properly. Only dual boot triggered the stupid BIOS. I watched 4k

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 03:55, Hung Nguyen Gia wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:46:30 +0700 Chris wrote > On 2021-01-19 22:58, Judah Richardson wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 12:55 AM Chris wrote: > > > >> Well I was finally able to get OI on one of my spares. > >> I wanted to do so, so

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 04:01, Aurélien Larcher wrote: On Wednesday, January 20, 2021, Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: I would love to have XFCE. But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay royal to MATE. You can't found any ot

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss wrote: Regardless of it's good behavior or not, this does give Linux a huge advantage over us. The different is significant. If we want to continue to keep our Solaris heritage and continue to ridicule Linux, then OK, it's fine. I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Judah Richardson
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 9:45 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: > Regardless of it's good behavior or not, this does give Linux a huge > advantage over us. > The different is significant. > If we want to continue to keep our Solaris heritage an

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: I would love to have XFCE. But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay royal to MATE. You can't found any other DE's packages

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 04:10, Stephan Althaus wrote: Hello! Please keep in mind, that almost every Linux distro has much more manpower to maintain those many packages and DEs. If you volunteer to maintain an other DE for OI  i doubt that this would be a problem for our OI first-level maintainers. M

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] what command is used to start MATE?

2021-01-20 Thread John D Groenveld
In message <924b35f-bda5-6ae5-efe-d05a8de7...@ndsu.edu>, Tim Mooney via openind iana-discuss writes: >While it should be possible for an admin to set security policy, >the OS should have good, secure defaults. That's all this is. # rolemod -K type=normal root John groenv...@acm.org

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 04:57, Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss wrote: I will took me hours to write a very long mail to answer each of your points. So I will give you a short summary: I have tried it on both physical machine and virtual machine, my graphics performance is good on the physical ma

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: Please do a little investigation before you post and don't let your plain hatred for someone to ruin your investigation. I didn't asked to add any Linux shell at all. Please keep that in mind. I might suggest you try the default (Free)BSD shell; t/csh. While

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 08:37, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss wrote: Regardless of it's good behavior or not, this does give Linux a huge advantage over us. The different is significant. If we want to continue to keep our Solaris heritage and continue

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 09:33, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: Please do a little investigation before you post and don't let your plain hatred for someone to ruin your investigation. I didn't asked to add any Linux shell at all. Please keep that in mind. I might suggest you t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 20.01.21 um 21:47 schrieb Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: I wo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 9:47 PM Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for > making...: > > > On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: > >> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss
In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: And one more thing: We share the Sun Solaris ancestry with Oracle Solaris. Some things have diverted during the last decade but the solaris-userland repository is a first-class source of information and inspiration.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:19 PM Chris wrote: > On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: > > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for > > making...: > > > >> On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: > >>> In regard to: Re: [O

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 13:03, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: Am 20.01.21 um 21:47 schrieb Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss]

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:39 PM Chris wrote: > On 2021-01-20 13:03, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: > > Am 20.01.21 um 21:47 schrieb Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss: > >> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for > >> making...: > >> > >>> On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney vi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 13:19, Aurélien Larcher wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 9:47 PM Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: > On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discus

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 13:32, Aurélien Larcher wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:19 PM Chris wrote: On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for > making...: > >> On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-dis

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 11:00 PM Chris wrote: > On 2021-01-20 13:32, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:19 PM Chris wrote: > > > >> On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: > >> > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for > >>

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 13:03, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: Am 20.01.21 um 21:47 schrieb Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making...: On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss]

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 13:45, Aurélien Larcher wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:39 PM Chris wrote: On 2021-01-20 13:03, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: > Am 20.01.21 um 21:47 schrieb Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss: >> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for >> making...: >> >>

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 14:04, Aurélien Larcher wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 11:00 PM Chris wrote: On 2021-01-20 13:32, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:19 PM Chris wrote: > >> On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: >> > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discu

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Is the Atheros AR9462 WiFi card supported?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
Ive got an Atheros AR9462 WiFi card in my fresh OI install. Is it supported? If not, is there a driver similar I can hack on? Thanks! --Chris -- ~10yrs a FreeBSD maintainer of ~160 ports ~40yrs of UNIX ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Is the Atheros AR9462 WiFi card supported?

2021-01-20 Thread John D Groenveld
In message , Chris writes: >Ive got an Atheros AR9462 WiFi card in my fresh OI install. >Is it supported? If not, is there a driver similar I can hack >on? No and maybe: http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster/manifest/0/driver%2Fnetwork%2Fath%400.5.11%2C5.11-2020.0.1.20243%3A20210120T012047Z> You'll

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Is the Atheros AR9462 WiFi card supported?

2021-01-20 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-20 18:23, John D Groenveld wrote: In message , Chris writes: Ive got an Atheros AR9462 WiFi card in my fresh OI install. Is it supported? If not, is there a driver similar I can hack on? No and maybe: http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster/manifest/0/driver%2Fnetwork%2Fath%400.5.11%2C5.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Shell to use?

2021-01-20 Thread Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss
In the words of the late Joe Armstrong: Goodness, what a lot of mails! On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 08:42, Hung Nguyen Gia wrote: > Both systems are ZFS and have the same configuration (memory, cpu cores,...). > > I don't know how to use Solaris specific tools. But I could check some of the > value vi