On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 11:00 PM Chris <oi...@bsdos.info> wrote: > On 2021-01-20 13:32, Aurélien Larcher wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:19 PM Chris <oi...@bsdos.info> wrote: > > > >> On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: > >> > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for > >> > making...: > >> > > >> >> On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote: > >> >>> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for > >> >>> making...: > >> >>> > >> >>>> I would love to have XFCE. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay > >> royal to > >> >>>> MATE. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> You can't found any other DE's packages on the repo. > >> >>> > >> >>> You might want to review the mailing list archives for this mailing > >> list > >> >>> to get a clearer understanding of why that is. It's been discussed > >> >>> before. > >> >>> > >> >>> If you or Chris or someone else builds an entire desktop environment > >> >>> like Cinnamon and publishes a repo that is kept up to date, I would > >> >>> definitely give it a try, at least in a VM. If someone does this > and > >> >>> keeps it up to date for a long time and continues to contribute to > OI, > >> >>> I would probably use that as my main desktop environment. > >> >>> > >> >>> Just building it once, without a commitment to keeping it updated, > >> isn't > >> >>> good for anyone, though. > >> >> TBH The only reason OI isn't my "daily driver" is the DE available. > If I > >> >> had XFCE (what I currently use), or better, Cinnamon. I'd have a hard > >> time > >> >> not using OI. Overall I like it better. But I'm (currently) pretty > well > >> >> committed to FreeBSD as maintainer of some 160 ports, and I create > >> >> installs for all my servers && clients. I've been on BSD since Bill > Joy > >> >> forked 386BSD, and hacked on various NIX' before that. But if I could > >> >> cobble up an OI I could justify as a "daily driver", and something I > >> could > >> >> recommend to my clients. I'd make the switch. > >> >> Which brings me to why I initiated this thread. Since I need > commitment > >> >> to justfy *my* commitment. I thought I'd send out a "feeler" to see > if > >> >> there was any interest. Appears I'm not the only one. So I'm going to > >> >> "take the plunge". I'll start gathering all the information I need to > >> get > >> >> all the dots in a line, so I can start production. Any pointers to > help > >> >> shorten the trajectory would be *greatly* appreciated. As well as > >> keeping > >> >> the wiki working. ;-) > >> > > >> > I'm indifferent to Xfce, but when you start working on Cinnamon and > deps, > >> > that's something that I would be happy to collaborate on and test. > >> That's my *ideal* target. I really like working in Cinnamon, and want to > >> transform my current workspace from XFCE to Cinnamon. So I'll definitely > >> include you in the loop when I start on it. :-) > >> > oi-dev and the irc channels are your best source for help on porting, > >> > and I've gotten good feedback in PRs where I've asked questions or > been > >> > stuck part way through updating or porting a package. > >> > > >> > Also, rather than the wiki, I would highly recommend > >> > > >> > http://docs.openindiana.org/ > >> > > >> > and then "HandBook->Building with oi-userland". That's been migrated > >> from > >> > the old wiki page and updated and had some corrections and a few > >> > clarifications added. There may still be improvements that could be > >> made, > >> > so the > >> > first few times through the process, please pay special attention > >> > to places where that document misses information or appears incorrect. > >> If > >> > you mention the issues on oi-dev, I'll get PRs submitted (or you can, > >> > if you fork the docs too) to try improve things. > >> In all honesty; OI could *really* use some DOC love -- > >> consolidation/updating. > > > > I had a devil of a time discovering where the "truth" was located. It's > >> currently > >> fragmented, and out-of-date -- mind you, I'm not shaking my finger at > >> anyone > >> here. > >> Just sharing my current struggle in this regard. If it were to get > >> consolidated. > >> > > I think many more might feel inclined to get onboard w/OI. > >> > > > > Trouble is that we called for contributions to migrate and enrich the new > > documentation but it never gained momentum. > I'd *love* to contribute to the DOCs. But early; while I've still got that > "fresh" look at getting started on IO (development). I think it would lend > itself to conveying the message to the unseasoned as well as the seasoned > (OI) developers. > Now. If I could only find the documentation on how to write/contribute OI > DOCs, so I can start documenting... ;-) > > I started writing a maintainer's guide on the Wiki before the migration > but > > have absolutely zero time to dedicate to its migration to the new doc > > system. > > > > Alexander did move some pages to: > > > > https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/tree/oi/hipster/doc > Good to know! >
And a seminal maintainer's guide: https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Maintainer's+Guide in the form of a skeleton with short notes. > Thanks to both you, *and* Alexander. :-) > > > > > >> I'm currently using: https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland as my > >> source > >> of > >> truth. Having been a (ports/package) maintainer on FreeBSD for some > 10yrs. > >> I'm > >> finding it enough to read the shell framework to get up to speed. My > only > >> *personal* > >> nit; is that it's largely bash(1) based. Maybe it's because I'm more > used > >> to > >> sh(1). > >> But I find bash to be a bit of a pig, by comparison. But I can get used > to > >> it > >> -- or > >> just rewrite all of it in sh(1). ;-) > >> > >> Tim, thank you *very* much for all the pointers, and support! :-) > >> We'll be talking Cinnamon, real soon now. ;-) > >> > >> --Chris > >> > > >> > Tim > --Chris > > -- > -- --- Praise the Caffeine embeddings _______________________________________________ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
