Re: [OAUTH-WG] WG Survey

2010-02-18 Thread David Recordon
Glad to see this thread. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > A few questions we should answer before moving forward. Considering *your* > use cases and reasons for being here: > > 1. Why are you here? What are you trying to solve that is not already > addressed by exist

Re: [OAUTH-WG] operational security

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Eaton
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > But isn't the bearer token itself a sort of plain text secret? Yes, it is. The WRAP access token is short-lived, which mitigates some of the risks. Also note that servers do not need to store access tokens at all. The WRAP refresh tok

Re: [OAUTH-WG] WG Survey

2010-02-18 Thread Brent Goldman
On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > A few questions we should answer before moving forward. Considering *your* > use cases and reasons for being here: > > 1. Why are you here? What are you trying to solve that is not already > addressed by existing specifications (OAuth 1.0

Re: [OAUTH-WG] WG Survey

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Eaton
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > A few questions we should answer before moving forward. Considering *your* > use cases and reasons for being here: > > 1. Why are you here? What are you trying to solve that is not already > addressed by existing specifications (OAuth 1

Re: [OAUTH-WG] operational security

2010-02-18 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
I understand the removal of the client credentials for accessing resources. That's one less set of credentials accessible by all servers which we already have consensus. And by not having signatures, there are no secrets to verify. But isn't the bearer token itself a sort of plain text secret?

Re: [OAUTH-WG] operational security

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Eaton
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > Can you apply this (without too much detail) to both WRAP and OAuth 1.0a? I > think it > would be useful to see how each comply with these goals (which look pretty > important to me). In OAuth 1.0a, every system that needs to create or

Re: [OAUTH-WG] operational security

2010-02-18 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
Can you apply this (without too much detail) to both WRAP and OAuth 1.0a? I think it would be useful to see how each comply with these goals (which look pretty important to me). EHL > -Original Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Brian

Re: [OAUTH-WG] WG Survey

2010-02-18 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> 1. Why are you here? What are you trying to solve that is not already > addressed by existing specifications (OAuth 1.0a, WRAP, etc)? I would like to see OAuth 1.0 extended to support more methods for obtaining tokens to optimize usability for non-web-based clients. I also want to clean the ov

[OAUTH-WG] Use case for signature w/ asymmetric secret

2010-02-18 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
I have a scenario in which a service provider is offering an API for incoming messages. It is not possible for this service to require pre-registration of clients because of the number of possible clients, or the type of clients. In this scenario, the server is most likely a small site, while th

Re: [OAUTH-WG] good meeting

2010-02-18 Thread Zeltsan, Zachary (Zachary)
Peter, I think, you have captured the meeting's discussion well. I tried to document the meeting's agreements. Below is my summary of the main points on which, in my opinion, the participants have agreed (or, at least, were close to an agreement). * OAuth should develop specifications that pro

[OAUTH-WG] OAuth interim meeting #4

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On March 4 2010, the OAuth WG will hold its fourth interim conference call leading up to IETF 77. Scheduling details and logistics to follow. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Fwd: Your recording "OAuth WG Virtual Meeting-20100218 1858-1" is available for viewing

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI for those who missed today's meeting or need to write the minutes. Original Message Subject:Fwd: Your recording "OAuth WG Virtual Meeting-20100218 1858-1" is available for viewing Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:32:08 -0800 From: Alexa Morris To: Pe

[OAUTH-WG] operational security

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Eaton
On the call people wanted me to clarify what I meant when I talked about operational security. In a nutshell, I mean: - what systems and what people have access to long-lived secrets? Keep this to a reasonable level, where reasonable is defined by different use cases. - what systems and what

[OAUTH-WG] good meeting

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
That was a helpful discussion just now -- thanks to everyone who participated. Jeff Hodges and I made some *rough* notes via EtherPad at http://etherpad.com/n2jOXo3WTY and I paste them below. Real minutes will follow once we've had a chance to listen to the recording. --Peter ## OAuth interim #3

Re: [OAUTH-WG] WG Survey

2010-02-18 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Hi, A few questions we should answer before moving forward. Considering *your* use cases and reasons for being here: 1. Why are you here? I'm interested to learn about status and directions of upcomming OAuth 2.0 standard and to contribute my experiences with token based web service security

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Document Action: 'The OAuth 1.0 Protocol' to Informational RFC

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. Thanks to Eran for his work on this. Now let's make progress on OAuth 2.0. :) Original Message Subject: Document Action: 'The OAuth 1.0 Protocol' to Informational RFC Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Internet Architecture Bo

Re: [OAUTH-WG] WG Survey

2010-02-18 Thread Paul C. Bryan
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 10:14 -0700, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > A few questions we should answer before moving forward. Considering > *your* use cases and reasons for being here: > > 1. Why are you here? I have built and plan to continue building OAuth implementations. I am also working on the UMA

[OAUTH-WG] WG Survey

2010-02-18 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
A few questions we should answer before moving forward. Considering *your* use cases and reasons for being here: 1. Why are you here? What are you trying to solve that is not already addressed by existing specifications (OAuth 1.0a, WRAP, etc)? 2. Should the WG start by taking WRAP or OAuth 1.0

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Proposed agenda for third interim meeting

2010-02-18 Thread Anthony Nadalin
I was not aware that anyone had to bring WRAP back to the table, as I never realized that you dismissed this as a starting point. So I thought the process was to go through the use cases which will help distill out some of the function/features/requirements and I'm sure that will help use choose