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> I think sabotage implies intent.
Even the most incompetent crew of an ocean going vessel knows if their
anchor has dropped. And if by chance that's happened, they don't drag it
around for a few hundred miles before they stop and pull it back in again.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Mike H
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On 11/21/24 14:43, Emile Aben wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 10:43, Hank Nussbacher
wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/18/europe/undersea-cable-disrupted-germany-finland-intl/index.html
-Hank
We looked into how RIPE Atlas saw these cable cuts:
https://labs.ripe.net/author/e
I think sabotage implies intent.
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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2024 9:41:31 AM
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>
> The rumours floating around about this being sabotage, with no hard
> evidence supporting such claims, is pretty wild.
No hard evidence?
- Marine tracking shows the suspect vessel deviating from normal course,
and stopping twice, each time in the area of where each cable was damaged.
- Aft
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 09:55:58AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>I think sabotage implies intent.
>
>-
Left here without comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br3K93-z6PI
- Jared
Intent? This is almost certainly sabotage. I'm unsure why there are such
mental gymnastics. Submarine cables are sabotaged periodically.
Dan
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 11:02 AM Tom Beecher wrote:
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>> The rumours floating around about this being sabotage, with no hard
>> evidence supporting such c
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 10:43, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
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> https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/18/europe/undersea-cable-disrupted-germany-finland-intl/index.html
>
> -Hank
>
We looked into how RIPE Atlas saw these cable cuts:
https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/does-the-internet-route-around-damage
I'm not sure what hard evidence you might like. There are a small number of
methods by which submarine cables become damaged - anchors are right up
there. In this particular case, there aren't a lot of other possibilities.
There are only two cable repair ships. It will be a while before there can
Russian crew on a Chinese vessel.
I mean how can anyone even doubt the intent.
This is such a tragic comedy on many levels.
Frank
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 5:12 PM Tom Beecher wrote:
> I think sabotage implies intent.
>
>
> Even the most incompetent crew of an ocean going vessel knows if their
It is well known that NordStream was sabotaged by the Russians .. 🙂
> Le 21 nov. 2024 à 17:05, Jared Mauch a écrit :
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> On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 09:55:58AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I think sabotage implies intent.
>>
>> -
>
> Left here without comment:
>
> https://www.youtube.com
Owen,
I was the Chair of the NRO when it directed the ASO AC to embark on this
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the RIR system to the Internet community. Accordingly, I will respond to that
aspect of your post below. (I am otherwise intentionally re
Hi,
>> A business has private or public shareholders or stockholders who once all
>> taxes have been deducted on the legal entity's annual revenue or bottomline
>> .. the stockholders then enjoys dividends through board resolutions.
> You have described one structure of a corporation, but the de
On 11/22/24 04:17, Ryan Bagley wrote:
Below article outlines cases of sabotage (page 81) in 2007
in Bangladesh, 2010 in the Philippines, and attempted sabotage in 2013
in Egypt.
Hardly regular enough to even be considered "periodic".
The Philippines incident was a BMH attack, which is us
Since when are there only two cable repair ships?ShaneOn Nov 21, 2024, at 10:44 AM, Daniel Golding wrote:I'm not sure what hard evidence you might like. There are a small number of methods by which submarine cables become damaged - anchors are right up there. In this particular case, there aren't
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 07:44 Daniel Golding wrote:
> I'm not sure what hard evidence you might like. There are a small number
> of methods by which submarine cables become damaged - anchors are right up
> there. In this particular case, there aren't a lot of other possibilities.
>
> There are only
On 11/21/24 17:59, Tom Beecher wrote:
No hard evidence?
- Marine tracking shows the suspect vessel deviating from
normal course, and stopping twice, each time in the area of where each
cable was damaged.
- After the vessel started moving again, each cable went offline
shortly after.
- T
On 11/21/24 18:06, Daniel Golding wrote:
Intent? This is almost certainly sabotage. I'm unsure why there are
such mental gymnastics. Submarine cables are sabotaged periodically.
They are? Citation?
Mark.
The number of repair ships available to a specific cable is much more
limited than the global number of repair ships. Each cable has a
contract with a specific provider of repair services, and that
provider shares its repair ships among a number of cable systems.
Rubens
On 11/21/24 17:41, Daniel Golding wrote:
I'm not sure what hard evidence you might like. There are a small
number of methods by which submarine cables become damaged - anchors
are right up there. In this particular case, there aren't a lot of
other possibilities.
There are only two cable
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