Re: Fiber Plant Tracking Database

2009-01-12 Thread Brad Kollmyer
You could also look at OSPInSight: http://ospinsight.com/osp/ Brad.

Why no SIDR for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread bmanning
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 07:29:55PM -0500, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:20:28AM +0900, Randy Bush > wrote: > > of course, we're sorry we set off folk's broken alarm systems :-) [ > > sense of humor required, leo ] > > Ah, I get the smiley this time. That

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Paul Wall
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > You really should make some friends Randy. He is, on Second Life. Seriously though... I've not seen any discussion of the application of "allowas-in", a valid neighbor configuration under certain topologies/scenarios, as relates to impact to

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Jack Bates
Nathan Ward wrote: A suggestion I made to Randy at APRICOT in early 2007 when he was presenting his BGP beacon bogon filter detection stuff[1] was that he could use AS_PATH poisoning to detect broken filters and topology between two ASes, not just the best route back to him from each AS. I th

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:20:28AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > of course, we're sorry we set off folk's broken alarm systems :-) [ > sense of humor required, leo ] Ah, I get the smiley this time. That's the indication you're not serious about the sentence you just wrote! Ah

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Nathan Ward
On 13/01/2009, at 12:32 PM, Jack Bates wrote: I suspect part of this test is to determine if there are enough defaults to allow traffic through even though the route isn't being processed by certain networks (ie, it does not good to poison AS_PATH if defaults in general will allow DOS traff

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 18:23 -0500, Joe Provo a écrit : > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 05:13:10PM -0600, Michienne Dixon wrote: > [snip] > > Easy - Refer all anomalies that do not the result of a direct outage to > > Randy. :D > > ...if he's the contact or expressly mentioned in the registration,

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Jack Bates
Paul Stewart wrote: The alerts we got were because our AS number was showing up somewhere else in the world. Whether it's "legit" IP space or not - it still warrants investigation on a high priority from my perspective. Given the use of the ASN, I'm surprised that you place high priority of

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 05:13:10PM -0600, Michienne Dixon wrote: [snip] > Easy - Refer all anomalies that do not the result of a direct outage to > Randy. :D ...if he's the contact or expressly mentioned in the registration, that makes sense. Oh look, he is. %whonum 174.128.31.0 OrgName:Am

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
Now that doesn't mean other operators can't put in a lightning talk about the impact or 'event' this triggered in their own NOC environments along with what they recommend operators do to reduce the spun cycles great idea! as i was about to send to someone else with a thinner skin than you :)

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Paul Stewart
The alerts we got were because our AS number was showing up somewhere else in the world. Whether it's "legit" IP space or not - it still warrants investigation on a high priority from my perspective. I have nothing against Randy or anyone else involved with this project .. to be quite honest I'd

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michienne Dixon
Now that doesn't mean other operators can't put in a lightning talk about the impact or 'event' this triggered in their own NOC environments along with what they recommend operators do to reduce the spun cycles Easy - Refer all anomalies that do not the result of a direct outage to Randy. :D

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Ren Provo
Fair enough. Unfortunate, and I'll miss you in .DR, but understood. Now that doesn't mean other operators can't put in a lightning talk about the impact or 'event' this triggered in their own NOC environments along with what they recommend operators do to reduce the spun cycles Cheers, -ren On

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michienne Dixon
I sit corrected. I thought they had started announcing someone else's AS and network range. - Michienne Dixon Network Administrator liNKCity 312 Armour Rd. North Kansas City, MO 64116 www.linkcity.org (816) 412-7990 -Original Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread deleskie
This was a test using unassigned IP block, unless I'm reading it wrong. If a noc alerted on this it should have still be a low priority issue. I don't see any issues with the way this was carried out at all. -jim --Original Message-- From: Michienne Dixon To: NANOG list Subject: RE: An

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Michienne Dixon wrote: But isn't this method kind of related to how an network from the Mediterranean/Mid-east went about blocking what they felt was undesirable/offensive content from entering their network? No. -- TTFN, patrick

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
Could you please put in a lightning talk for this experiment? It would be great to hear more about this in .DR. We're accepting submissions now for lightning talks on Monday the 26th of January. a - i will not be in dr. i really wanted to support the dr meeting, but it's hard to justify aft

Re: Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Patrick, I'd contend that using Cogent is a good way to reduce your cost of doing business while maintaining an acceptable level of service, not to necessarily improve reach. If your network absolutely must have the best routes you may be better off adding some other providers regardless. Best re

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michienne Dixon
But isn't this method kind of related to how an network from the Mediterranean/Mid-east went about blocking what they felt was undesirable/offensive content from entering their network? - Michienne Dixon Network Administrator liNKCity 312 Armour Rd. North Kansas City, MO 64116 www.linkcity.org

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Ren Provo
Hi Randy (and the cast of characters on this thread), Could you please put in a lightning talk for this experiment? It would be great to hear more about this in .DR. We're accepting submissions now for lightning talks on Monday the 26th of January. http://www.nanogpc.org is the best place. Che

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michienne Dixon
The only exception I took with this morning's exercise is that had I known that Mr. Bush was doing legitimate testing I would have allocated my time differently. I would consider this analogous to a customer testing their home alarm system and not letting the alarm company know about the test. Th

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
On 09.01.13 07:42, Paul Stewart wrote: For us, it was annoying - we look for prefix hijackings or what appear to be. i think herein lies the rub. it is not prefix hijacking and in no way should it appear that way to you. i suggest tuning your detectors. i am told that path poisoning is use

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Paul Stewart
For us, it was annoying - we look for prefix hijackings or what appear to be. In this case it was a false alarm but one that consumed NOC resources to troubleshoot and resolve... later to find out it was an "academic test" and nothing was really going on. Paul -Original Message- From: C

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Christian Koch
> > ] part of the experiment is to measure the difference between the amount > ] of nanog mail lorenzo drew in 2005 by pre-announcing with the amount we > ] get in 2009 while not pre-announcing. :) > > This statement is an admission that he set out to annoy people, > annoy them enough they would

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
] part of the experiment is to measure the difference between the amount ] of nanog mail lorenzo drew in 2005 by pre-announcing with the amount we ] get in 2009 while not pre-announcing. :) This statement is an admission that he set out to annoy people, annoy them enough they would complain on a

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 04:51:36PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: > Randy's application, and Lorenzo's before him also seem like short- > term applications designed to explore answering operational questions. > > Just because something is generally not used, or even if it's only >

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 04:51:36PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: [snip] > In my experience prepending someone else's AS to a prefix has only > been useful operationally only as a short-term, emergency measure > (e.g. when trying to avoid a black-hole between two remote ASes, > neither of whom shows

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-01-12, at 16:16, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: People have been doing it forever. However, it has been considered sketchy at best. This all seems highly subjective. Considered that way by some, sure (including you, it seems). In my experience prepending someone else's AS to a prefix

Re: Fiber Plant Tracking Database

2009-01-12 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Soucy, Ray wrote: Does anyone know of any software offerings to track your fiber plant (inside and outdoor) besides the OptiCon Systems offering (formerly Corning)? Mapcom came in awhile back to give us a presentation on their platform. It looked decent, but we ended up n

Re: recommendation for SIP integration

2009-01-12 Thread Andrey Gordon
Does anyone have any opinion on bandwidth.com as a SIP trunk provider by any chance? - Andrey Gordon [andrey.gor...@gmail.com]

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
Might be helpful to update the WHOIS data: arin's good folk say it will be updated in tonight's (stateside night) run. randy

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > On 09.01.13 05:32, Michienne Dixon wrote: > >> guy's gotta sleep some time. it's 04:40 here. >>> >> My apologizes for jumping the gun. >> > > i demand a full refund! :) > > but that's about the best use for guns i can think of. > > randy > >

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
If this were not Randy doing a research project, but, say, Cogent prepending the ASN of $LATEST_DEPEERED_NETWORK on announcements to Verio, how different would the tone of this thread have been? yep, tools can be used for both good and bad. randy

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jack Bates: > Florian Weimer wrote: >> I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into >> routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can, >> obviously, but you shouldn't.) > > Actually, the placement of the ASN is exactly what they need to do the > test, a

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2009-01-12, at 15:39, Florian Weimer wrote: So does "academic" mean "unethical" these days? I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can, obviously, but yo

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-01-12, at 15:39, Florian Weimer wrote: So does "academic" mean "unethical" these days? I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can, obviously, but you shouldn't.) The AS_PATH attribute is a loo

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Jack Bates
Florian Weimer wrote: I think this is over the line. You can't put other people's IDs into routing data on production networks. (Well, technically you can, obviously, but you shouldn't.) Actually, the placement of the ASN is exactly what they need to do the test, as it is treated as a routin

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread kris foster
Hi everyone The Mailing List Committee would like to remind everyone that threads of this sort are not operationally relevant and go against the spirit of the AUP [1]. Haikus, one line jokes, and "me too" replies simply do not provide enough information for each of NANOG's 10,000 subscriber

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Jack Bates
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Soucy, Ray wrote: We peer with Cogent. They are very competitive in terms of pricing. To be honest, Cogent has been pretty good to us. As long as you have a 2nd peer (which it sounds like you do) for backup I'd say they're a pretty safe b

Re: Fiber Plant Tracking Database

2009-01-12 Thread Tim Jackson
Lots of companies offer stuff like this... http://www.mapcom.con/ http://www.sapience360.com/ http://www.innovsys.com/ http://www.telecom-america.com/ -- Tim On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Soucy, Ray wrote: > Does anyone know of any software offerings to track your fiber plant > (inside an

RE: Fiber Plant Tracking Database

2009-01-12 Thread Frank Bulk
We use the Innovative Systems mapping product: http://www.innovsys.com/Products/eLation/Features.html It may be too comprehensive/expensive for your needs. Frank -Original Message- From: Soucy, Ray [mailto:r...@maine.edu] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subjec

RE:

2009-01-12 Thread Blake Pfankuch
Laughing at me. You make me cry on the inside. -Original Message- From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:12 PM To: NANOG@nanog.org Subject: Stop

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Randy Bush: > On 09.01.13 03:40, Michienne Dixon wrote: >> I'm not entirely certain what is going on but has anyone noticed some >> strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24? > > see http://psg.com/173-174/ So does "academic" mean "unethical" these days? I think this is over the line. You can

Fiber Plant Tracking Database

2009-01-12 Thread Soucy, Ray
Does anyone know of any software offerings to track your fiber plant (inside and outdoor) besides the OptiCon Systems offering (formerly Corning)? Ray Soucy Communications Specialist +1 (207) 561-3526 Communications and Network Services University of Maine System http://www.maine

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
On 09.01.13 05:32, Michienne Dixon wrote: guy's gotta sleep some time. it's 04:40 here. My apologizes for jumping the gun. i demand a full refund! :) but that's about the best use for guns i can think of. randy

Re: recommendation for SIP integration

2009-01-12 Thread Marcus Marinelli
I have used the CallWithUs guys (http://callwithus.com) and they seem to very reasonable. They have an emphasis on keeping things simple, and are happy to chat with you on a technical level if needed. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Michael Holstein < michael.holst...@csuohio.edu> wrote: > >

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Josh Fiske
I agree with Paul and Michienne, having the courtesy to notify next time would be very much appreciated. I was headed into a family member's funeral when I received the hijack notification. I took the 15 minutes to do some quick investigation, fire off a few emails informing my colleagues of the

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michienne Dixon
My apologizes for jumping the gun. - Michienne Dixon Network Administrator liNKCity 312 Armour Rd. North Kansas City, MO 64116 www.linkcity.org (816) 412-7990 -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:42 PM To: Paul Stewart Cc: Majdi S.

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Soucy, Ray wrote: We peer with Cogent. They are very competitive in terms of pricing. To be honest, Cogent has been pretty good to us. As long as you have a 2nd peer (which it sounds like you do) for backup I'd say they're a pretty safe bet. I think you mean s

Re: Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Martin List-Petersen wrote: Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you mi

Re: recommendation for SIP integration

2009-01-12 Thread Michael Holstein
Hi, I am looking for a solution where I can tie a US number to a SIP solution. Has anyone had experience with this and if so can you make some recommendations? I use Flowroute myself (www.flowroute.com) .. you can do single DIDs tied to a SIP peer, virtual PRIs, and a number of other thing

Re:

2009-01-12 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Reese wrote: > I once had a legitimate difficulty and posted to this list as a > direct result. As I was moderated at the time, my post was denied > with the provided reason that it was not appropriate for this > list. An attempt to identify the source ISP of a troublesome IP >

Re: Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >> Jeffrey Lyon wrote: >>> Mike, >>> Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any >>> serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also >>> try some other similarly priced pr

Re: Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other si

Re: Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 12, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN.

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
On 09.01.13 03:52, Paul Stewart wrote: Same here.. got a notice this morning and while it's false, I still have no response from Randy neither on this matter.. guy's gotta sleep some time. it's 04:40 here. if you wrote me directly, you would have a response by now. almost to the bottom of m

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
On 09.01.13 03:40, Michienne Dixon wrote: I'm not entirely certain what is going on but has anyone noticed some strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24? see http://psg.com/173-174/ randy

Re:

2009-01-12 Thread Reese
I once had a legitimate difficulty and posted to this list as a direct result. As I was moderated at the time, my post was denied with the provided reason that it was not appropriate for this list. An attempt to identify the source ISP of a troublesome IP was not "appropriate" but the below (and e

Re: Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
joe mcguckin wrote: So, you're essentially getting paid peering from Cogent then ? I guess you could do that. Normally I'd just throw it in the mix with the rest and let BGP figure it out if there's another depeering. ~Seth

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Paul Stewart
Absolutely - according to their website " No real or production prefixes or data packets are being harmed in this experiment. If you become aware that this experiment causes any actual real operational problem, please write to us immediately. " I have asked them to have some courtesy next time bef

RE: recommendation for SIP integration

2009-01-12 Thread Express Web Systems
> I've used broadvoice before for personal telephony, and they were > competent and asterisk-friendly, and seemed to have DIDs in many US > LCAs. Just to throw another name into the arena http://voicepulse.com/ Pros: SIP and IAX termination Many US NPP/NXX exchanges and

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Edward B. DREGER
MSA> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:48:42 + MSA> From: Majdi S. Abbas MSA> More seriously, this is indeed reachability research. Try emailing MSA> the AS 3130 contacts although I'd imagine Randy will see this. Why not do this in a lab instead? ;-) Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everqu

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michienne Dixon
The IAR was the source of my notice as well and is what started me down this path of cat herding. I would think that it would only be polite to notify people about what is going on so that other people do not waste their time looking for phantom issues. - Michienne Dixon Network Administrator l

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:52:17 -0500 > From: "Paul Stewart" > > Same here.. got a notice this morning and while it's false, I still have > no response from Randy neither on this matter... > > If they are going to involve our AS numbers and trigger alarms it would > be nice to notify us first.

RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Soucy, Ray
We peer with Cogent. They are very competitive in terms of pricing. To be honest, Cogent has been pretty good to us. As long as you have a 2nd peer (which it sounds like you do) for backup I'd say they're a pretty safe bet. The only problem I've had with Cogent is that they're still not ready

Re: Cogent Considerations [was: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0]

2009-01-12 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On 1/12/09, Jim Shankland wrote: > > Adam Young wrote: > >> I wouldn't take my word for it but truthfully, you get what you pay for. >> Given you have other, more reliable transit, adding Cogent may be ok. >> I wouldn't rely on it for anything serious though. >> > > That has not been my experienc

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Josh Karlin
At some point 3130 announced these prefixes, and is now prepending other ASes to them. Pretty Good BGP (and hence the IAR) sees them as prefix hijacks. If you'd like to see the entire list of prefixes, check out: http://iar.cs.unm.edu/search.php and enter in 3130 as the "Victim AS" Josh On Mon,

RE: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Paul Stewart
Same here.. got a notice this morning and while it's false, I still have no response from Randy neither on this matter... If they are going to involve our AS numbers and trigger alarms it would be nice to notify us first... especially on something as major as a prefix hijacking (potentially) Paul

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:40:42PM -0600, Michienne Dixon wrote: > I'm not entirely certain what is going on but has anyone noticed some > strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24? > > I received a hijack notice that my AS (AS11708) was announcing the above > IP range. I verified that I was not

Re: Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread joe mcguckin
So, you're essentially getting paid peering from Cogent then ? Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications j...@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax On Jan 12, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've ne

Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-12 Thread Michienne Dixon
I'm not entirely certain what is going on but has anyone noticed some strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24? I received a hijack notice that my AS (AS11708) was announcing the above IP range. I verified that I was not when I started noticing some strange announcements for that range. Around

Re: Cogent Considerations [was: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0]

2009-01-12 Thread Jim Shankland
Adam Young wrote: I wouldn't take my word for it but truthfully, you get what you pay for. Given you have other, more reliable transit, adding Cogent may be ok. I wouldn't rely on it for anything serious though. That has not been my experience. Peering wars have been an issue, but aside from

Re: recommendation for SIP integration

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-01-12, at 12:47, Zaid Ali wrote: Hi, I am looking for a solution where I can tie a US number to a SIP solution. Has anyone had experience with this and if so can you make some recommendations? I've used broadvoice before for personal telephony, and they were competent and asteris

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN. Plus if you had direct connectivity to Cogent, their

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Martin List-Petersen
Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > Mike, > > Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any > serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also > try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or > BtN. I can second that. For the amount of money t

Cogent (was the poetry thread)

2009-01-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN. (resend due to subject filter) Plus if you had direc

Cogent Considerations [was: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0]

2009-01-12 Thread Adam Young
Mike Bartz wrote: > I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a > connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to at&t, Level > 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's > seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't kno

RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Aaron Wendel
NANOG has admins They waste a lot of time now Maybe paid to much -Original Message- From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:57 AM To: Mike Bartz; neal rauhauser Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 Level 3 has gear. Bleeding

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Mike, Aside from the occasional peering wars i've never had or witnessed any serious issues with Cogent. If you want some redundancy you might also try some other similarly priced providers like WBS Connect, HE, or BtN. Best regards, Jeff On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Mike Bartz wrote: > I

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Ken Simpson
Cisco 7k nodes Cascading VIP card failures Reload the router McColo shuts down Spammers enjoy holiday .. and then recommence On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Darryl Dunkin wrote: Customers thank me I will not stoop much lower Pay dirt for transit -Original Message- From: Murphy,

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Randy Whitney
All... Please stop this off-topic WOB. -- Randy. Josh Potter wrote: Cisco 7k nodes Cascading VIP card failures Reload the router On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Darryl Dunkin wrote: Customers thank me I will not stoop much lower Pay dirt for transit -Original Message- From: Murphy

RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Murphy, Jay, DOH
Level 3 has gear. Bleeding edge technology. Get huge pipes right now. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 "We move the information that moves your world." -Original Message- Fr

RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Ray Corbin
Net admins are bored Nanog lists run wild Useless spam blows up phone :) -r -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Lyon [mailto:jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:48 PM To: Murphy, Jay, DOH Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0 The XO version: XO is

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Josh Potter
Cisco 7k nodes Cascading VIP card failures Reload the router On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Darryl Dunkin wrote: > Customers thank me > I will not stoop much lower > Pay dirt for transit > > -Original Message- > From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] > Sent: Monday, Ja

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Mike Bartz
I like the haiku! On a serious note, we are considering getting a connection from Cogent. We currently have connections to at&t, Level 3 and TW Telecom. The low cost and high number of peer AS number's seems appealing to us. Every carrier has its issues, so I don't know what to make of the appa

RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Murphy, Jay, DOH
good stuff Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 "We move the information that moves your world." -Original Message- From: Darryl Dunkin [mailto:ddun...@netos.net] Sent: Monday

RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Darryl Dunkin
Customers thank me I will not stoop much lower Pay dirt for transit -Original Message- From: Murphy, Jay, DOH [mailto:jay.mur...@state.nm.us] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 09:41 To: neal rauhauser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0 NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engine

Re: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
The XO version: XO is low cost The cabinets had no power Service was useless Jeff On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Murphy, Jay, DOH wrote: > NANOG is too cool. > Rhyming with net engineers. > Poet don't know it. > > > Jay Murphy > IP Network Specialist > NM Department of Health > ITSD - IP Net

recommendation for SIP integration

2009-01-12 Thread Zaid Ali
Hi, I am looking for a solution where I can tie a US number to a SIP solution. Has anyone had experience with this and if so can you make some recommendations? Zaid

RE: Cogent Haiku v2.0

2009-01-12 Thread Murphy, Jay, DOH
NANOG is too cool. Rhyming with net engineers. Poet don't know it. Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 "We move the information that moves your world." -Original Message- From:

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2009-01-12 Thread Murphy, Jay, DOH
around the world in 80 days... Jay Murphy IP Network Specialist NM Department of Health ITSD - IP Network Operations Santa Fe, New Mexico 87502 Bus. Ph.: 505.827.2851 "We move the information that moves your world." -Original Message- From: Ray Sanders [mailto:ray.sand...@vil

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2009-01-12 Thread Ken Simpson
On 12-Jan-09, at 6:45 AM, Ray Sanders wrote: Draggin my heart around. -Original Message- From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:12 AM To: NANOG@nanog.org Subject: Stop -- "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Nie

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2009-01-12 Thread Ray Sanders
Draggin my heart around. > > -Original Message- > From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:12 AM > To: NANOG@nanog.org > Subject: > > Stop > > > > -- "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr -- Ray Sanders L

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2009-01-12 Thread Jim Popovitch
> Stop the insanity. (please)

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2009-01-12 Thread Alexander Harrowell
> Stop Making sense?

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2009-01-12 Thread Scott Berkman
, drop, and roll? -Original Message- From: Aaron Imbrock [mailto:aimbr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:12 AM To: NANOG@nanog.org Subject: Stop

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2009-01-12 Thread Stephen Kratzer
On Monday 12 January 2009 01:11:50 Aaron Imbrock wrote: > Stop in the name of love

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2009-01-12 Thread David Barak
Collaborate & Listen http://xkcd.com/210/ David Barak Need Geek Rock? Try The Franchise: http://www.listentothefranchise.com --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Nathan Malynn wrote: > From: Nathan Malynn > Subject: Re: > To: "Aaron Imbrock" > Cc: NANOG@nanog.org > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 1:12 A

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2009-01-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Aaron Imbrock wrote: > Stop Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)