/ Matthias Apitz wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 6:54:38 +0100 /
> Most likely the charset of your terminal does not match the NLS
> environment (LANG) which you have after login into the Ubuntu. I do not
> know hyperterminal, i.e. if you can control this in hyperterminal; if
> not, use PuTTY as a te
On 2012-11-21, David Champion wrote:
> * On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
> >
> > OK, I have done that. I also changed nroff to groff as I have both and
> > they are different sizes. However, I still do not really understand by
> > "press T over table to format. I type the table, hit >esc
On Wed, November 21, 2012 07:39, David Champion wrote:
> * On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
>>
>> OK, I have done that. I also changed nroff to groff as I have both and
>> they are different sizes. However, I still do not really understand by
>> "press T over table to format. I type the tab
/ Bernard Massot wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 0:18:09 +0100 /
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:37:11PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
> > Note the corners: periods on top, and ` ' on the bottom. IMHO, this
> > looks better. But that IS just my opinion. :-) And just on a style
> > note, I would also cond
* On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
>
> OK, I have done that. I also changed nroff to groff as I have both and
> they are different sizes. However, I still do not really understand by
> "press T over table to format. I type the table, hit >esc> and then
> shift-T. Nothing happens. What am
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:37:36PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> Your preferences don't apply everywhere. In most of the (many) places
> I've worked, top-posting is the normal, and preferred practice. That
> way, you can quickly see what someone has added to the conversation
> without wading through
El día Tuesday, November 20, 2012 a las 10:57:03PM -0600, Linda escribió:
> I am dialing in to an ubuntu 12.04 LTS machine that has mutt
> with hyperterminal on windows 7. When it displays the index
> some of the subjects are garbage characters instead of the
> subject. I tried set charset=UTF8
On 2012-11-21, horse_rivers wrote:
> hi,
>
> in my mutt mailbox , I do not know why all mails contain so many
> useless message text , as below:
>
> Received: by x
> Received: from
> envelope-from xxx
>
> Received: by mailxxx
>
>
>
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:16:40PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
> * On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
> > > map T {
> > > !}mutt-table
> > > ...
> > > ### press T over table to format
> >
> > This looks great, but I am unclear what one does precisely. I created
> > the script, and added th
* On 20 Nov 2012, Linda wrote:
> I am dialing in to an ubuntu 12.04 LTS machine that has mutt with
> hyperterminal on windows 7. When it displays the index some of the subjects
> are garbage characters instead of the subject. I tried set charset=UTF8 and
> set charset=ISO-8859-1 but neither solves
* On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
> > map T {
> > !}mutt-table
> > ...
> > ### press T over table to format
>
> This looks great, but I am unclear what one does precisely. I created
> the script, and added the stuff to .exrc (actually created that file, as
> I use .vimrc). Then I added t
I am dialing in to an ubuntu 12.04 LTS machine that has mutt
with hyperterminal on windows 7. When it displays the index
some of the subjects are garbage characters instead of the
subject. I tried set charset=UTF8 and set charset=ISO-8859-1
but neither solves the problem. Does anyone have a
su
On 2012-11-20, Will Yardley wrote:
> As far as quoting flowed text, I don't love mutt's current handling of
> it -- I still prefer the behavior of patch-1.5.5.1.gj.stuff_all_quoted.3
> (space-stuffing all quoted lines vs. just the last one, which is
> obviously the more conservative way to go). I
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:41:02AM +0100, E. Prom wrote:
>
> When replying to an e-mail with an empty subject, the subject of the
> answer is set to "Re: your mail".
I thought it was configurable, but didn't find anything from a quick
search in TFM. Also, it looks like it's hard-coded in send.c.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:52:58PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
> A welcome addition to this thread would be information on how to
> compose in "qpff" using mutt.
http://mutt-ng.berlios.de/manual/format-flowed.html
is the one I've seen before.
Also noticed this, though I don't know if it's correc
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:34:59PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
> * On 20 Nov 2012, David Champion wrote:
> > * On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
> > > Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
> > > message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
> > >
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:57:00PM -0800, Jeremy Kitchen wrote:
> I really can't believe I'm about to say this, but:
>
> HTML solves this problem entirely.
>
> There, I said it.
If you keep track, you'll probably find, as I have, that HTML-only
e-mail is between 99% to 100% spam. I send those
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 05:51:40PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote:
> Top posting almost invariably requires me to re-read WAY more of the
> previous thread than I would have had to if the user posted in line
> and trimmed quoted text appropriately. And on top of that, you have
> to read, in chunks, BA
Hi,
When replying to an e-mail with an empty subject, the subject of the
answer is set to "Re: your mail".
I would like to customize/localize it, but it does not seem to be an
option. Have I missed something? (No, I would prefer keeping using
Debian's binaries ;-)
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:24:49PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> On 2012-11-20, John Long wrote:
> Actually it's trivial to wrap text that is unwrapped, and to do so in
> a way that meets each users preference. A news reader can simply add
> a linefeed in place of the last space before t
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 03:34:13PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
>
> On 11/20/12 3:18 PM, Rado Q wrote:
> >Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes
> >the responsibility is with the user, not the code.
>
> Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design
> an
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:37:36PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:10:37PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> >
> > Ignorant, disrespectful and inconsiderate is the top poster who quotes
> > 5000 lines including sigs and trailers and irrelevant/unenforcable
> > disclaimers *an
* On 20 Nov 2012, Christoph Möbius wrote:
>
> This looks all great.
>
> Is there a script/plugin for doing this with vim?
The script and .exrc macro I send previously should work with vim, vi,
nvi, etc. Note that the .exrc macro contains embedded carriage returns.
The technique should work for
Also sprach Bernard Massot am Mi, 21 Nov 2012 um 00:18:09 +0100:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:37:11PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
> > Note the corners: periods on top, and ` ' on the bottom. IMHO, this
> > looks better. But that IS just my opinion. :-) And just on a style
> > note, I would also
/ Patrick Shanahan wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 17:55:08 -0500 /
> * Jamie Paul Griffin [11-20-12 17:33]:
> ...
>
> > I'm sorry to say, but ever since I have subscribed to this list you have
> > taken many opportunities to criticise me over trivial issues, both on list
> > and off list. So this
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:59:55AM -0600, David Young wrote:
> Every now and then some jerk sends me an email reply where their
> contribution is red. Maybe that is worth fighting about on grounds
> that that's a poor choice of color for readability, but not on grounds
> that my console is monochr
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:37:11PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
> Note the corners: periods on top, and ` ' on the bottom. IMHO, this
> looks better. But that IS just my opinion. :-) And just on a style
> note, I would also condense it to something like this (avoiding
> redundancy):
>
>.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:18:23PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> On 2012-11-20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> >
> > Original text is fine unwrapped, but should not be sent that way. You
> > should not impose on the reciever but sent mat'l in a manner that would be
> > presented as one *shoul
* Jamie Paul Griffin [11-20-12 17:33]:
...
> I'm sorry to say, but ever since I have subscribed to this list you have
> taken many opportunities to criticise me over trivial issues, both on list
> and off list. So this response comes as no surprise frankly.
>
> This is the last message i'm g
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:19:25PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> My first response to Chris when he raised the issue stated that I would
> happily adjust the setting for vi, on invocation from mutt, to address the
> issue. Chris kindly responded with a muttrc tip. I have no problem at all
>
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 22:19:25 + -=
> My confusion is simply due to the fact that when my emails come
> through from mutt's mailing list manager to my server and I read
> them with mutt, I don't experience the readability issues others
> seem to. It's not something th
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:02:11PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> > +--+--+-+--+
> > |Year | Hurricane | Deaths | Location |
> > |1780 | Great Hurricane of 1780| 27,500+ | An
/ Patrick Shanahan wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 16:08:30 -0500 /
> * Jamie Paul Griffin [11-20-12 15:50]:
>
> ...
>
> > I'm sorry but I receive the mails I send out from this list just as
> > others do and I have no issue with readability using mutt or mail(1) for
> > that matter, so I'm a bit
/ Rado Q wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 22:27:43 +0100 /
> =- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 20:57:53 + -=
>
> > > Ok, we disagree on basic principles, because I require
> > > responsible and respectful users for any tool, no matter how
> > > well or badly it's coded.
> >
> > I thin
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:16:44PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > Ouch! Could you please set the "line wrap" value in your editor to a
> > sane value? 72 characters seems to be the recommended setting.
>
> That was the recommendation in the 90
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 20:57:53 + -=
> > Ok, we disagree on basic principles, because I require
> > responsible and respectful users for any tool, no matter how
> > well or badly it's coded.
>
> I think to label someone as disrespectful and irresponsible simply
> beca
Hello dear discussants,
are you even aware?
Fact:
There are two types of people: people who wrap lines when they edit and people
who don't.
Since you all apparently are using mutt you can deal with both types.
So what is this all about?
Could please be so kind and stop spamming about this phi
On 2012-11-20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>
> Original text is fine unwrapped, but should not be sent that way. You
> should not impose on the reciever but sent mat'l in a manner that would be
> presented as one *should* expect.
Recipients should not impose on composers. Otherwise Larry would
dema
* [2012-11-20 10:38]:
> It is much more annoying to have long lines of code, or any other text which
> should not be wrapped, quoted to me in a wrapping editor to conform to some
> long-since-obsolete habit, when wrapping by the viewer is a trivial piece of
> code but urwapping is not.
The tri
* David Young [2012-11-20 14:54]:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:27:19PM +0100, Holger Weiß wrote:
> > * David Young [2012-11-20 11:59]:
> > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
> > > > Take some responsibility for yourself and your content. Post like a man
> > > > not
> >
* Jamie Paul Griffin [11-20-12 15:50]:
...
> I'm sorry but I receive the mails I send out from this list just as
> others do and I have no issue with readability using mutt or mail(1) for
> that matter, so I'm a bit confused why the text/narrative of my mail is
> causing so much of a problem
On 2012-11-20, Rado Q wrote:
> The same argumentation applies to producing "readable" mail:
> why fix something on the reader-end when it could/should be fixed at
> the source?
To say that you can only have a convention that's mindful of the
source XOR the target is to create a false dichotomy.
/ David Champion wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 14:13:29 -0600 /
> * On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
> > Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
> > message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
> > characters wide or so, and if there were a reasonable
/ Rado Q wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 21:45:05 +0100 /
> =- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 15:34:13 -0500 -=
>
> > >Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes
> > >the responsibility is with the user, not the code.
> >
> > Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is ent
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:27:19PM +0100, Holger Weiß wrote:
> * David Young [2012-11-20 11:59]:
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
> > > Take some responsibility for yourself and your content. Post like a man
> > > not
> > > a webbot.
> >
> > I cannot believe people
/ Rado Q wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 21:34:14 +0100 /
> =- Tony's unattended mail wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 19:54:28 + -=
>
> > Outlook actually illustrates my point. Good tools interpret the
> > mail-followup-to header, and also have a reply-to-list feature.
> > Outlook does not, on both count
=- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 15:34:13 -0500 -=
> >Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes
> >the responsibility is with the user, not the code.
>
> Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design and the
> code, and never with the user. Othe
On 2012-11-20, Rado Q wrote:
>=- David Young wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 11:59:55 -0600 -=
>
>> "What, you have computers in your pockets but there is no
>> conformance to the width in columns of 40 year-old data terminals
>> any more?"
>
> That's not a technical issue but readability: it's easier o
* On 20 Nov 2012, David Champion wrote:
> * On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
> > Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
> > message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
> > characters wide or so, and if there were a reasonable way to edit it,
> >
Hi,
I would like to share a different perspective on this issue.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:18:36PM +0100, Rado Q wrote:
> =- David Young wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 11:59:55 -0600 -=
>
> > "What, you have computers in your pockets but there is no
> > conformance to the width in columns of 40 year
On 11/20/12 3:18 PM, Rado Q wrote:
Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes the
responsibility is with the user, not the code.
Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design and
the code, and never with the user. Otherwise it's a failed product.
=- Tony's unattended mail wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 19:54:28 + -=
> Outlook actually illustrates my point. Good tools interpret the
> mail-followup-to header, and also have a reply-to-list feature.
> Outlook does not, on both counts. So mailing lists have
> established conventions whereby ever
* David Young [2012-11-20 11:59]:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
> > Mail and news need to have sane line lengths. 72 or 76 chars are common. It
> > makes people look like AOL groupies when they post 500 character lines. Many
> > of us use console news clients and new
=- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 13:37:36 -0500 -=
> Most workplaces are using email to communicate, and they want
> maximum efficiency in that. Users want a way to get a message
> across quickly, as opposed to trying to create a beautiful and
> literate archive.
Because in business it's
=- David Young wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 11:59:55 -0600 -=
> "What, you have computers in your pockets but there is no
> conformance to the width in columns of 40 year-old data terminals
> any more?"
That's not a technical issue but readability: it's easier on the eyes/
flow of reading when you d
* On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
> Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
> message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
> characters wide or so, and if there were a reasonable way to edit it,
> preferably in emacs.
Type this:
.TS
box tab(|);
On 2012-11-20, John Long wrote:
>
> The tools are fine Outlook, AOL, google groups, it's pretty much
> all about thumbing your nose at the world and saying you don't give
> a rat's a$$ about the other guy.
Outlook actually illustrates my point. Good tools interpret the
mail-followup-to heade
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:24:49PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> On 2012-11-20, John Long wrote:
> >
>
> Conventions are good, but only when they cater to those with *good*
> tools. When a convention caters to compensate for poorly designed
> tools, and then cause difficultly for others
* On 19 Nov 2012, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 02:46:23PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> >
> > Ah, i understand your problem now. I did misunderstand but that's not your
> > fault, your English is very good actually.
> >
> > As far as I know, it's not possible. I believ
I too have given up trying to wrap for teletypes. It is much more annoying to
have long lines of code, or any other text which should not be wrapped, quoted
to me in a wrapping editor to conform to some long-since-obsolete habit, when
wrapping by the viewer is a trivial piece of code but urwapp
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:10:37PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>
> Ignorant, disrespectful and inconsiderate is the top poster who quotes
> 5000 lines including sigs and trailers and irrelevant/unenforcable
> disclaimers *and* the bottom poster who does the same and adds a single
> line (or mor
On 2012-11-20, John Long wrote:
>
> I use slrn, probably the best all around news reader out there and
> it doesn't wrap unless you tell it. But even that looks bad.
slrn's problem. Slrn (which I sometimes use as well) should do
better.
> You can't make a sloppy pile of HTML or run-on sentences
* David Young [11-20-12 13:02]:
...
> One reason email software is not more useful is that because too many
> smart people wage a losing war on the new, foreign ways of email instead
> of programming filters that transform top-posted, red, 5000-column
> emails to the style of email that they want
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
> I wasn't going to post in this thread but...
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:16:44PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> > On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > >
> > > Ouch! Could you please set the "line wrap" value in your edit
I wasn't going to post in this thread but...
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:16:44PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > Ouch! Could you please set the "line wrap" value in your editor to a
> > sane value? 72 characters seems to be the recommended setti
Eric Smith wrote (Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 05:16:16PM +0100):
> So I want to copy and paste a grammatically more useful *pseudo*
> header text. Of course mutt could be made to accept anything
> unique as this pseudo header, so I asked if it is changeable
> without a hack of the source.
If you use emac
Attached: File1.jpg
On Tue, November 20, 2012 17:16, Eric Smith wrote:
> No Christian, perhpas it not clear enough.
>
> If course they are pseudo headers.
>
> So in my vim when composing (usually large) emails. I develop a
> collection of *pseudo* headers like in the block below.
> Then I copy and
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:32:16AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs as my editor. It's a great
>
> Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
> message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
> characters wide or so, and if t
On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> Ouch! Could you please set the "line wrap" value in your editor to a
> sane value? 72 characters seems to be the recommended setting.
That was the recommendation in the 90s.
These days, any decent news reader has word wrap. Considering the
variety of wi
No Christian, perhpas it not clear enough.
If course they are pseudo headers.
So in my vim when composing (usually large) emails. I develop a
collection of *pseudo* headers like in the block below.
Then I copy and paste these in the text with descriptions and
comments relevant to each header.
So
On Tue, November 20, 2012 17:07, Eric Smith wrote:
>
> So when I write emails I refer to the attachments.
>
> I copy and paste the list of headers as a block like this;
> Attach: Foobar.baz
> Attach: Foobar_1.baz
> Attach: Foobar_2.baz
>
> into my text and reference them in a way that it is more pr
So when I write emails I refer to the attachments.
I copy and paste the list of headers as a block like this;
Attach: Foobar.baz
Attach: Foobar_1.baz
Attach: Foobar_2.baz
into my text and reference them in a way that it is more professional and
grammatical to say "Attached" rather than "Attach"
On Tue, November 20, 2012 16:59, Eric Smith wrote:
> Is there a non sourcecode way to change mutt's interpretation of
> the header named Attach: to an arbitrary string (like Attached:)?
I don't think there is. Why?
regards,
Christian
Is there a non sourcecode way to change mutt's interpretation of
the header named Attach: to an arbitrary string (like Attached:)?
--
Eric Smith
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:11:27AM -0600, Luis Mochan wrote:
> Emacs' org-mode permits editing of text tables. There is an orgtbl
> minor mode to edit tables outside of an .org file.
I was not aware of that. That sounds like a great solution. I'll
investigate.
Thanks!
-pd
Emacs' org-mode permits editing of text tables. There is an orgtbl
minor mode to edit tables outside of an .org file.
Regards,
Luis
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:59:57AM -0800, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:32:16AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> > I'm using mutt on OS X, with emac
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:32:16AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs as my editor. It's a great
> combination, but there are times when I really *REALLY* want to put a
> table in a message. I tried creating an HTML attachment containing the
> table, but HTML-capable mai
I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs as my editor. It's a great
combination, but there are times when I really *REALLY* want to put a
table in a message. I tried creating an HTML attachment containing the
table, but HTML-capable mail readers just display this as an
attachment that has to be opened se
/ Mandar Mitra wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 17:34:42 +0530 /
> Did you try
>
> bin key function
>
> as described in Section 3.5 of the manual?
you can create a file which has your own key bindings and source it from your
muttrc. Execute mutt using the -n option to override the system default mu
horse_rivers wrote (Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 05:12:06PM +0800):
> hi,
>
> I want to custom "-" and key-bind to "down" and "up"
>
> how can I do ?
>
> thanks!
Did you try
bin key function
as described in Section 3.5 of the manual?
/ Chris Bannister wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 23:09:44 +1300 /
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:01:41AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> > I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in ~/.exrc
> > which mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I haven't done so
> > already.
On 2012-11-18, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> / Woody Wu wrote on Sun 18.Nov'12 at 15:05:37 +0800 /
>
>> I want to read/post the list in gmane.org. So I want to ask, if the
>> list (mutt-users) allow users to subscribe but without send messages
>> to their mailbox?
>
> Yes you can use gmane.org to r
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:01:41AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in ~/.exrc which
> mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I haven't done so already.
> I'll see if theres a muttrc macro or setting I can use to set line wr
/ Chris Bannister wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 17:24:38 +1300 /
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 02:46:23PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> >
> > Ah, i understand your problem now. I did misunderstand but that's not your
> > fault, your English is very good actually.
> >
> > As far as I know, it's no
hi,
I want to custom "-" and key-bind to "down" and "up"
how can I do ?
thanks!
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