On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 21:04:54 +0300
unix wrote:
> Hello. My reasons for this proposition:
> 1. The user will be able to test basic websites without installing
> anything.
> 2. The user will be able to read an incredibly useful official
> FAQ, with no external devices involved.
>
As a new contributor, I wonder, is there a unified list of things
that should be fixed/(re)written/ported?
I read the FAQ and surfed around the CVS sources, but can't find
anything that resembles what I imagine this to be.
So far I noticed several things people tend to complain about on the
mailing
On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:22:20 - (UTC)
Stuart Henderson wrote:
> On 2022-09-17, S V wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I noticed that Qt6 from packages and ports missing xcb plugin (in
> > qtbase), but Qt5 has it.
>
> That's this file, isn't it?
>
> $ pkglocate XcbQpa.so
> qt6-qtbase-6.3.1p0:x11/qt
On 2022-11-23 02:21, Mike Fischer wrote:
> Am 23.11.2022 um 11:43 schrieb Vlad Meșco :
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 06:57:17AM +, Jason McIntyre wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 12:21:26AM +0100, Mike Fischer wrote:
>
>
> keyboard.encoding=us
> keyboard.map+="keysym Caps_Lock = Control
On 2022-11-25 05:32, Mike Fischer wrote:
Am 24.11.2022 um 15:07 schrieb u...@disroot.org:
Hello!
I would like to find some supporting documentation too, if anything is
available, but for certain other reasons
(https://github.com/letoram/arcan/issues/263). Basically, this
"desktop engine" ha
Hello guys.
CUPS : A few months before, I run on OpenBSD 5.1 and all is running
perfectly.
Two months ago, I upgrade my OS to 5.2 and since it's impossible to
install my old Epson Stylus Photo EX.
On 5.1 I've installed :
- cups
- foomatic-db-gutenprint (meta package)
and it's run perfectly
On 5
And why exactly are you spamming an "OpenBSD" related mailing list with this
information?.
Hey, I'm using OpenBSD 4.1-STABLE and I just today purchased a 250GiG Western
Digital drive and a cheap USB 2.0 enclosure..
I'm trying to setup the partitions on the device using an old Pentium 2 with a
USB 1.0 controller, (usb0 at uhci0.)
Anyway, the device ""does"" show up when I plug it
>Hey, I'm using OpenBSD 4.1-STABLE and I just today purchased a 250GiG Western
>Digital drive and a cheap USB 2.0 enclosure..
>
>I'm trying to setup the partitions on the device using an old Pentium 2 with a
>USB 1.0 controller, (usb0 at uhci0.)
>
>Anyway, the device ""does"" show up when I p
>Hello.
>Seems like 3.5' HD doesn't getting enough power from usb port. You may
>
>try to use two-headed usb adapter (which takes power from two usb
>ports)
>or plug an external power source to the enclosure (if
>available).
Yes, I'm obviously using the included power adapter.. it doesn't
This is an interesting topic, I also noticed that multiple applications
couldn't open /dev/audio at the same time...
Doesn't this make it impossible to record and listen to audio from ones
microphone at the same time? quite... archaic don't you all agree?
I just caved and bought a new enclosure that actually said USB 1.1 backwards
compatible.. and guess what? :)
It works! Hooray :D
[Copy & Pasted]
umass0: JMicron USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2
umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only
scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets
sd0 at scsib
I'm failing to see the problem, but really.. Linux emulation for mission
critical applications just has "Bad Idea" written all over it..
I personally don't see a problem with creating an additional partition which
allows such pseudo devices though...
If you are referring to the IBM 3780.. Perhaps the following sites will be of
some interest..
http://telecom.tbi.net/bisync.htm
http://www.3780-emulation.com/
http://www.serengeti.com/bisync.php3
Good luck.
>Hi, I am wanting to do some experimenting, and want to know before I get to
>knee deep into installing big directories, and files, to which places I should
>look and if I am on right track with these ideas and versions:
>
>1. Apache 1.3.29 Web Server running on OpenBSD 4.2... latest???
Open
You claim to be running a MP kernel, but both of those dmesg's show you're
booting GENERIC instead of GENERIC.MP.
You're not using the correct kernel.. boot bsd.mp.
Have fun.
>(EE) Unable to locate/open config file
You're running X configless, meaning you didn't create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
file.. which is "OK" in the latest X (If you have modern computers).
>(EE) Failed to load module "dri" (module does not exist, 0)
OpenBSD doesn't support DRM/DRI, So 3D/OpenGL
> Any other requests?
I personally would like to see a -current dmesg of this system... if you don't
mind posting it here for us geeks to drool over :)
-Nix fan.
On a few systems I own, enabling ACPI and disabling APM seems to work on
older systems, I needed to go into my BIOS and disable an option like "PnP
OS/Operating system". (By setting it to No/False..)
To try your system with ACPI, at the boot console.. Type the following.
UKC> disable apm
Jonathan Schleifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OSS4 works just fine, even with 7.1. And it has been open-sourced. Maybe
> someone could port it to OpenBSD? It has already been ported to FreeBSD.
> And there are drivers for ALSA that support 5.1, without an NDA being
> signed. IIRC, back when
Mitja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> There is no man page for fdisk in 4.2.
>
> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fdisk&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD
> \
> +4.2&arch=i386&format=html
>
>
> Best regards,
> Mitja
This is a little odd, but only that online m
If you own any other ~1G SD cards, perhaps you should try using one of them?...
for reasons unknown, not all cards are created equal. :(
-Nix Fan.
fstat(1) displays all open file inodes, it couldn't possibly translate them to
names reliably.. because a file can have many different hard links, thus have
different names.
I know it's sad, but that's just the way it is. one option might be the
ncheck_ffs(8) command though..
I think this is the second time you've posted something similar to this... I
have news for you
Everyone gets such traffic in their logs.. from DoS'ers and other mischievous
individuals..
There really isn't much you can do about it either, and if you report back to
each IP's abuse email
Greetings :)
Have you considered running a passes with memtest86? I have the feeling one of
those RAM modules is defective, I still own a few K6-2 systems and they work
perfectly. ;)
-Nix fan.
This really does suck... While we as users appreciate developers hard work, A
majority rely on -STABLE for updated and secure 3rd party software..
You really can't expect everyone to use -CURRENT in a production environment..
and it's been made clear that using -CURRENT ports on a -STABLE sys
I've never seen a CD/DVD drive that uses UDMA 5, Pretty fast... but I've also
never seen/used SATA extensively..
One option might be to downgrade the drive to UDMA 2 perhaps? see if that helps
any?..
-Nix Fan.
I would like to apologize for my early post to this topic, I was extremely rude
and disrespectful.
Please disregard it.
-Nix Fan.
"Michael Spratt" wrote:
>I have a question, I'm trying to recompile a flavor of bind but I can't find
> the port because its part of the base install.
>
> Could you point me in the right direction on how I would do it ?
>
> I downloaded the bind source and compiled it but obviously the o
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> You too.
>
> I still remember cheering when I read
>
> http://monkey.org/openbsd/archive/ports/0108/msg00460.html
>
>* From: Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>* Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:11:00 -0600
>* Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > I am j
Some day in the future, RMS will die while having sexual intercourse with an
android running proprietary software... and on that day, I will buy everyone a
round of beers.
Sure I'm terrible, but he's just crazy... ;)
(I may be drunk, but you are ugly, and tomorrow I'll be sober.)
-Nix Fa
Who the heck is Marry? :P
Typically one spells it "Merry", not "Marry".
Please spank the evil monkey who taught you English
-Scrooge (Aka, Nix Fan..)
Chris Cappuccio wrote:
> upnp is also necessary for other multiplayer games like xbox live. it's
> unfortunate, but true.
Here's an idea.. grow up and stop playing "Video Games".
Problem eliminated.. damn kids and their games...
-Nix Fan.
This is a neat idea, but personally I think it'll be hard to make the device "0
maintenance", problems can always occur...
If you're set on using OpenBSD in this project, remove everything from the base
system that isn't needed... and try running the unit non-stop for 48/hours...
just to be s
Marco Peereboom wrote:
> What in the world???
>
> Do you drive a car? if the answer is yes you have an unconnected
> embedded device. Need more examples?
No, I walk.. batteries not included..
Seriously, I was simply giving my opinion... unfortunately I walked under a
bridge and got at
>From my understanding, restoring a file after deletion would be very
>complicated because files aren't stored in a "sequential" fashion...
When you delete a file, the inode for the file is removed.. (assuming there
wasn't another hard link to it...)... That inode contained the only list of
OpenBSD doesn't have distribution rights for "archivers/freeze"...
You'll have to build it from ports...
-Nix Fan.
"rm -P" would be what you're looking for..
But is it even required? It's not exactly an easy task to "undelete" a file
anyway... the process alone is an effecitve deterrent.
-Nix Fan.
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> To satisfy my own curiosity, looking at
> www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_X_window_managers which provides
> links to 45 window managers for which there are wiki pages, I looked at
> the licence for each and found that only xmonad, wmii, fluxbox, and
> blackbo
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>I'm not talking about the CVS tree, I'm talking about
>
> http://www.openbsd.org/4.2_packages/i386.html
>
> I'm sorry for the "abuse" of language if you want to make a strong
> difference between port and package.
>
> That is an OpenBSD site which has sof
I'm sorry Marco, but I think what you've said is "bullshit", as well contacted
several "so called" data recovery organizations, after admitting to have
"zeroed" the drive contents - They said recovery wasn't possible..
While it "might" be possible to get miscellaneous data off of a drive, it w
new_guy wrote:
> I'm working on putting a website up now where I'll fully disclose the
> details. Lots of pictures and details. I will attribute the dd used to
> OpenBSD (the best OS on the planet bar none... although the dd on the
> install CD did not support the conv option... I would have li
Maxim Bourmistrov wrote:
> Yes, as this continues you have to say something Theo, but.
> I personally prefer the moto "If you want it right - you have to do
> it yourself".
>
> So please Theo stop wasting your time and continue with your
> development of OpenBSD.
> The energy you wa
I messed up while replying to a topic, won't happen again... hopefully..
-Nix Fan.
I've always used "sha1 -a sha256 filename", but I suppose cksum(1) would be the
better command to use.. ;)
-Nix Fan.
> As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to run on
> non-free platforms (and say that they do), because this doesn't
> recommend the installation of those non-free platforms. But free
> systems should not recommend, suggest, or offer to install non-free
> apps.
What is
Richard Stallman wrote:
> I see nothing wrong in using someone else's
> Windows machine for a few minutes.
Great!, Now go down to your local public library.. assuming they offer free
Internet access..
Do you're own fucking research!
Helpful resources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/
http://
Richard Stallman wrote:
> But it also perpetuates serious problems (totalitarian surveillance,...)
Are you seriously that paranoid? Do you wear a tin foil hat by any chance? :-)
Richard Stallman wrote:
> The cases are similar, and my view on the two cases is similar.
So answer this question,
Richard Stallman wrote:
> Gilles' message seems to say that OpenBSD policy is to allow
> binary-only firmware. Is that correct?
Binary "firmware" that's legally redistributable is distributed in OpenBSD, Yes.
But you need to wrap your head around what that means for OpenBSD.
Modern tech
Awesome, It's great that they decided to release the code under a 2 clause BSD
licence... :-)
But I don't the the OpenBSD project should rip out it's entire current
framework and start using this package..
Still, It could serve as an excellent research... for additional drivers,
inspiratio
You can use iostat(8) if you're trying to ascertain the "transfer rate" the of
drive... are you?
$ iostat -d
wd0 cd0 cd1 fd0
KB/t t/s MB/s KB/t t/s MB/s KB/t t/s MB/s KB/t t/s MB/s
18.10 1 0.03 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 3.8
Daniel Ouellet wrote:
> Antti Harri wrote:
> > Errr.. why the hell are you running Apache and PHP on Windows rather
> > than your OpenBSD?
>
> Because Stallman make it easy to run *HIS* version of *SUPPOSE* free
> software one Windows. That's why. Stallman as the various treads pointed
>
Does OpenBSD's base utilities support 64 bit I/O?
I attempted to create a 8GB file using the "dd" application distributed with
OpenBSD 4.2, unfortunately it fails with:
dd: count: Result too large
Confused, I tried making the size smaller, and noticed it bails out at exactly
4294967295 b
Apologies, I was using a larger count size, which is restricted by a 32bit
variable. (size_t).
FreeBSD's dd is 64 bit safe for all options... might be worth looking into.
Darrin Chandler wrote:
> Ted Unangst wrote:
> > what bs are you using?
>
> Try to be more polite, please.
He wasn
I notice a lot of people forward several ports when using bittorrent
You know, It's not written in stone that you "need" to use more then a single
port...
I never run into any speed problems... Even when nearly maxing up my 20Mbit
home cable line ;)
-Nix Fan.
Bachman Kharazmi wrote:
> yeay!
> outputs.speaker.eapd=off -> on
> did turn off the mute led. and now I get should ;)
> ...
I think you meant "sound"... ;)
"should" means something entirely different...
-Nix Fan.
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, John Nietzsche wrote:
> Dear gentleman,
That's a very sexist way to address the people on this list.. be a bit more
gender neutral next time.
-Nix Fan.
Stuart Henderson wrote:
> See for yourself: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/cvs/
I'm slighly confused by something if the "cvs" command in OpenBSD 4.2 is
"OpenCVS", why does "cvs --help" refer to places like cvshome.org for updates
etc?
-Nix Fan.
markus ploner wrote:
> just for the record:
> you could've just dd'ed the floppy42.fs to the usb device
> this has worked for me several times.
>
> markus
That'd be a pretty dumb way to do it...
1) The bsd.rd on the floppy image is considerably smaller then the one on the
CD.
2) USB t
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> My wife is sensitive to what she describes as electromagnetic fields.
> She gets headaches and other pains when exposed to equipment: the higher
> the frequency, the worse her symptoms.
Looks like you need to trade her in... she's broken.
;)
-Nix Fan.
I've been watching the CVS commits the last few weeks and noticed several Xorg
related security fixes back ported into 4.1 and 4.2 -STABLE.
Are they important enough to get on the errata pages? Some of us sorta rely on
that... ;)
Thanks.
-Nix Fan.
I/Unixfan wrote:
> such a speed the ISA bus can't even achieve.
Apologies, While the rest of what I said was true.. this clearly wasn't.
The ISA bus should be able to accomplish 10Mbit+ speeds..
Please don't hurt me ;)
-Nix Fan.
-Nix Fan.
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> Well, I've never had high-speed internet and I get along just fine. My
> NFS server was my IBM 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram and a 10 MB/s ISA card.
> Worked just fine.
>
> What wil the students be doing where they would need more than 10 MB/s
> each between them and y
Hello, This morning I applied the Xorg patches provided for OpenBSD 4.2.. the
build took several hours on
one of my Athlon XP+ 2600 machines but it's working wonderfully now.
Is there an easy/safe way to upgrade Xorg on the rest of my workstations
without repetitively building it on
each o
I've read release(8) and I've read the FAQ... but, both still require manually
merging.. copying... etc..
I guess I'm just lazy.. I'll do it the "overly complex" way... :)
Packages would be nice... pkg_add integration... Xorg is modular now
remember?.. ;)
-Nix Fan.
After I updated my OpenBSD 4.2 workstations with the released patches... VLC
media player crashes!
VLC media player 0.8.6c Janus
vlc:/usr/local/lib/vlc/codec/libquicktime_plugin.so: undefined symbol
'NewHandleClear'
The program '.' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a
Marco Peereboom wrote:
> This report is useless. Where are all the logs?
What logs? The only error message produced is in my initial email... all other
applications I use are working..
Did you mean a dmesg? What will that accomplish?
I haven't updated my kernel since applying the Xenocar
Marco Peereboom wrote:
> Since you don't provides logs and just yell I'll assume that this was
> done on m68k using last weeks xenocara on last months userland and last
> years kernel.
I mentioned I was using OpenBSD 4.2 and applied the latest Xenocara patches...
Apologies for not stating
EDIT: Missing subject line, apologies for the spam... honestly.
Marco Peereboom wrote:
> Since you don't provides logs and just yell I'll assume that this was
> done on m68k using last weeks xenocara on last months userland and last
> years kernel.
I mentioned I was using OpenBSD 4.2 and a
> Works fine here on the fresh installation of 4.2 release. I think, I
> had to set correct device node in preferences but that was it. I
> personally like the best Ogle as a DVD player. You may also use MPlayer.
> Did you clean .vlc after the rebuilt?
I'm aware of this.. I've used vlc f
Edd Barrett wrote:
> hey,
> what happened to ports.openbsd.nu?.
Darn, It would appear the owner forgot to renew it.. and it got picked up by a
domain squatter.. :(
Very unfortunate loss..
-Nix Fan.
After a thought provoking email from Ian Darwin and a few good hours to cool
off, I would like to apologize for my behaviour..
I'll put more thought into further posts I make to the list.
Take care.
-Nix Fan.
Geez, Ignore my last email.. I was ssh'd into the wrong damn system.
Sorry for the spam
-Nix Fan.
Hello once again,
I've successfuly build Xenocara, It installs into /usr/X11R6 (Why not R7
btw?).. and it works..
Now, I'm trying to distribute the build across my workstations... but I get
this error.
# make release
===> proto/bigreqsproto
exec make install
make: don't know how to m
Woah, Has anyone "ever" provided such a detailed and thorough error report
before?
That was just amazing.. lol :)
-Nix Fan.
-Nix Fan.
Is this the library you're looking for http://www.nongnu.org/libunwind/ ?
I found it via Google and it wasn't exactly very hard.
-Nix Fan.
$ pkill bob; echo $?
1
$
Just live with it.. ;)
Breaking compatibility just to convenience you... is not an option.
-Nix Fan.
Jacob Meuser wrote:
> Marc Espie wrote:
> > Nonsense, as long as you can plug in some plutonium, things should be
> > fine.
>
> Are you tellin' me this sucker is nuclear?
...Mr. Fusion? ;)
-Nix Fan.
My understanding of paging isn't as good as the developers, but I do know that
memory isn't organized in an entirely sequential fashion..
Free memory is organized into "pages", 4096 byte chucks of memory
If my system was shutdown, and someone attempted to recover information from
RAM,
$ cat .bash_profile
...
export PS1="\l [EMAIL PROTECTED] #"
$
Then log back in. this really is basic stuff.. ;)
(Use ksh, it's much better then bash... )
-Nix Fan.
scott wrote:
> version a... export PS1="\l [EMAIL PROTECTED] #"
>
> version b... export PS1="\l [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\$"
>
> "B" changes the "#" to be either "$" or "#" per user's non-root/root status.
I was just using the line they provided... it's up to them to read the manual.
-Ni
I've been noticing a similar problem with Firefox on OpenBSD...
Try going to http://www.blahsfkfefe.non-existant/ and then trying a known site
like http://www.google.ca/ .. It just locks up..
If this is an issue with OpenBSD's resolver, why don't the developers fix it?
-Nix Fan.
I ran a few tests, and OpenBSD seems perfectly capable of using those extended
characters have you tried using doubled quotes?
sftp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:"file with spaces and Umlauts.txt"
That should work.. but, spaces and "extended characters" are so "unclean&qu
I did a search around and found something called "SmartStart", Apparently it's
a bootable "configuration" utility for your system that configures various
settings in NVRAM.
http://www.umpquanet.com/support/freebsd_setup.html --FreeBSD articble related
to your system...
ftp://ftp.compaq.com/p
Sean Kennedy wrote:
> For what it's worth, I'm interested too in a tech@ tutorial on (How to add
> Unknown, or Semi-Known USB) devices.
>
> I have had success with adding commonly defined things (Keyboards Mice, and
> the occasional USB wireless/wired Network adapter)
>
> But for something
$ ./time
100 calls to gettimeofday() ... 4.503s
$ uname -srp
OpenBSD 4.2 AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+ ("AuthenticAMD" 686-class, 512KB L2 cache)
$
Seems fine here, looks like the error is on your end.. ;)
Have you tested on 4.3/snapshots.. perhaps enabling/disabling acpi.. etc?
t; is an acronym for Berkeley's "Fast File System"
- which is a decedent of AT&T UFS (Unix File System).
I agree, the naming conventions between the BSD's are unique... but see the
following and just accept the fact UFS2 or FFS2 are partially supported as Otto
explained.
Timothy Wilson wrote:
> Thanks Ryan,
>
> Maybe this is new in 4.3 or 4.2? I don't have this option in 4.1. I
> guess I should upgrade :)
>
> Timothy.
The manual page claims otherwise, it's a lower case "L" just so you know... you
need to run the command as root it seems.
http://www.o
> COMPILE OUTPUT-
> # cc t2.c
Why, are you running this as root?..
> /tmp//ccdm8869.o(.text+0x1c): In function `main':
> : undefined reference to `db_create'
Isn't this message rather obvious? can you not read or something?
> /tmp//ccdm8869.o(.text+0x32): In function `main
> ../usr/bin/ld: cannot find -l/usr/local/lib
Consider that a test.. or an example of my drunken state, regardless of that..
It's obvious that you have no experience with the options of the compiler..
You failed the test. ;)
Change it to -L/usr/local/lib
Read manual pages: gcc(1) and
There is a USB standard for USB Cameras among other video devices... It's
called "USB Video Device Class".
The specific is available to download... if anyone feels brave enough to write
a driver for "UVC" class devices... ;)
@Sunnz, Unsupported USB devices always attach to "ugen", read the
Fred Snurd wrote:
> In reading through the recent Intel Mac Mini thread, I'm confused by what
> appears to OpenBSD's support? OpenBSD now supports EFI? > Or is EFI have
> some compatibility mode with the older BIOS standard?
No.
In the case of modern Intel Macs, they have something calle
Michael Spratt wrote:
> ...
> I obtained the list of pornographic sites from urlblacklist.com The DNS
> server will then respond to users who query port sites with an A record that
> points to a local web server that will serve them a "nono" page and log
> their ip.
>.
> ...because we ar
> In case there are those of you who (still) run 3.6;
Oh jeez! Why are you encouraging them? :P Why on earth would anyone continue
using 3.6?
Jacob Meuser wrote:
> I still prefer bktrplay + tunerctl from
> http://jakemsr.trancell.org/bsdav-1.4.tar.gz for watching TV, but I
> know those programs, since they are mine. mainly, bktrplay has better
> full-screen support, and has fewer artifact issues than either fxtv
> or xawtv. bktrpl
OpenBSD 4.3 is due out on May 1st, a lot of changes have happened in 5 months..
perhaps you should wait for the 4.3 release, or try a snapshot from your local
mirror, unfortunately, those are -CURRENT.. which, will eventually be the
4.4-RELEASE.
Reporting hardware incompatibilities for a code
Philipp Winter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did not find a file on the OpenBSD mirrors which contains a digital
> signature for the 'MD5' files which are placed in the platform specific
> directories (e.g.: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.2/i386/).
>
> Is there no way to verify the authenticity
I back ported Firefox 2.0.0.12 to OpenBSD 4.2+patches, I can't believe the
OpenBSD team is letting people use the insecure 2.0.0.6 version, "We believe in
security" my ass.
OpenBSD 4.3 will have 2.0.0.12, unfortunately 2.0.0.13 is out, and that fixes
yet another security problem... so, manual
Jacob Meuser wrote:
> or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't
> you agree?
That's a stupid outlook on things... 2.0.0.6 was released in July, that's a
hell of a long time between April, exploits in depencies are bound to show up
in that time frame.
OpenBSD
Nick Templeton wrote:
> Didn't you participate in this flamefest already:
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119750317632017&w=2
>
> You already know the reasons for this.
>
> -Nick
Why yes, it would seem I did previously participate in an almost identical
discussion... the things you
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