emacs letter s

2023-03-11 Thread Jon Fineman
I upgraded from #1092 to #1103 and am using Emacs version 28.2, with X and awesomewm. When I launch emacs -q and type lower case s in the scrath window only the bottom part of the s (ie the curve) is displayed. Capital S displays and lower case bolded (I think) displays fine. Any thoughts on how

Re: portgen does not handle go ports with capital letter in name

2021-08-22 Thread Aaron Bieber
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote: > Dear all, > > I tried to use portgen to semi-automatically generate a port for a go > project with a capital letter in the name. > Are you running an older version of OpenBSD? I fixed this back in January : htt

portgen does not handle go ports with capital letter in name

2021-08-22 Thread Vladimir Nikishkin
Dear all, I tried to use portgen to semi-automatically generate a port for a go project with a capital letter in the name. It failed with a cryptic error. I commented out the code in Port.pm the place which retries to generate a name for everything other than Perl (p5), and it worked. I thing

re: obligatory leaving letter

2018-03-17 Thread leo_tck
Haai, I just read the responses of Ingo & Espie, among others. Yes, just now, in the archives, since for some mysterious reason, they weren't cc'd to me (despite that I clearly stated that I had left). Y'know, I could go on a long rant again (I'm rather prone to them, ain't I?), but I won't bothe

what is UNIX about? (was: Re: obligatory leaving letter)

2018-03-17 Thread leo_tck
Since I don't want to be guilty of spreading unfounded information, I'll still respond, if tersely, to Rod{erick,rigo}, who doesn't appear to have cc'd me either. I'll quote [0]: > What we wanted to preserve was not just a good environment in which to > do programming, but a system around which a

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-12-03 Thread Robert Peichaer
Well said, Ingo -- -=[rpe]=-

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-30 Thread Charlie Eddy
Can someone advise what occurred in NetBSD re this user?

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-30 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 02:26:44AM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Admittedly, if you look at the list of developers, it is impossible > to deny that OpenBSD is not the most succcessful project ever with > respect to inclusiveness. I had to do a double-take to grok that one. EDOUBLENEGATIVEABUSE

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-30 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 05:17:05PM -0600, Jay Williams wrote: > As a new user to OpenBSD, who is trying to learn as much as I can, seeing a > message like this is very disheartening. OpenBSD's security focus and passion > for clean, minimal and secure code is something that the world definitely > n

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jay, Jay Williams wrote on Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 05:17:05PM -0600: > As a new user to OpenBSD, who is trying to learn as much as I can, > seeing a message like this is very disheartening. Please do not worry about this particular case. The user who wrote this message contributed almost nothin

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-29 Thread Sterling Archer
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Jay Williams wrote: > As a new user to OpenBSD, who is trying to learn as much as I can, seeing a > message like this is very disheartening. OpenBSD's security focus and passion > for clean, minimal and secure code is something that the world definitely > needs. >

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-29 Thread Jay Williams
As a new user to OpenBSD, who is trying to learn as much as I can, seeing a message like this is very disheartening. OpenBSD's security focus and passion for clean, minimal and secure code is something that the world definitely needs. Despite the worldwide trend, especially here in the USA, I hope

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-29 Thread Roderick
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, leo_...@volny.cz wrote: As dmr often pointed out (though perhaps not quite in the terms that I will use here), UNIX is about community. Or about simplicity? UNIX as the opposite to MULTICS? And this is the impression I get when I read Ritchies and Thompson paper "The Uni

Re: obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-28 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:43:15PM +0100, leo_...@volny.cz wrote: > Haai, > > I think it's about time I write this. > > I am De Zeurkous. I used the nick 'schaafuit' (originally devised for a > prank elsewhere) in an attempt not to let past preconceptions (for those > who don't know, I have a som

obligatory leaving letter

2017-11-28 Thread leo_tck
Haai, I think it's about time I write this. I am De Zeurkous. I used the nick 'schaafuit' (originally devised for a prank elsewhere) in an attempt not to let past preconceptions (for those who don't know, I have a somewhat bad history with the NetBSD project) rule the present. The story about us

Open Letter (Plea for Medical Help/Assistance) to World Leaders Part 2 of 2

2010-08-11 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
Dear Sir/Madam, RE: Open Letter (Plea for Medical Help/Assistance) to World Leaders I have uploaded photos, videos, and audios of myself, scanned images of my ECG Graphs, laboratory blood test reports, X-Ray films and medical documents to Facebook (Facebook account: Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming

Open Letter (Plea for Medical Help/Assistance) to World Leaders Part 1 of 2

2010-08-11 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
My Facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982 Scanned documents in the (currently 40) photo albums of my Facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982#!/profile.php?id=10750083982&v=photos

Open Letter (Plea for Medical/Help Assistance) to World Leaders

2010-06-15 Thread Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
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news letter

2008-12-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Letter

2008-08-19 Thread Peace Peace
I have a new email address!You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - It is with respect and confidence that I decided to contact you for a confidential issue, which requires your assistance for our mutual beneficial relationship. I need your assistance in fronting for myself and my son. My

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-10 Thread bofh
On 10/10/06, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > advantage between children who have laptops and those who don't. it is no > different than the One Magnifying Glass Per Child or the One Knife Per > Child I'm here by starting the One Slap Upside the Head for Morons (OSUHM) project for

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-10 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Original message >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:37:01 +0100 >From: Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Letter to OLPC >To: OpenBSD > >On 2006/10/05 15:47, Bob Beck wrote: >> It is completely shameful. One Laptop Per Citizen - controlled

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/10/05 15:47, Bob Beck wrote: > It is completely shameful. One Laptop Per Citizen - controlled by > the cabal. The cabal with their bios-signing keys. I guess heretics need not apply. http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/a_secure_2b1_bios_up.html http://www.olpcnews.com

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-10 Thread Jeroen Massar
Daniel Ouellet wrote: [..] > Let me put it better then. I use their GPL part here ONLY to show how > more ridiculous the answer was and oppose to what you say, they wrote > and quote "A GPL Linux device driver for the Marvell wireless chip..." > and then at the same time, they say they can't releas

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-08 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Jeroen Massar wrote: Daniel Ouellet wrote: [.. a part that you didn't want to make a 'point' about anyway..] Men, I must be pretty darn stupid I have to say. My point wasn't about the dam licenses or comparing GPL to BSD for crying at loud! Then don't mention it. Also learn how to reply to

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-08 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 02:22:35PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote on Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 02:55:22PM -0600: > > Adriaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> See Jim Gettys defense at > >> http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress/?p=27 > [...] > > You can't say anything bad about the chil

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-08 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 02:22:35PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > So those children will get laptops before their families > have electricity? Had they any choice, how many of them > would choose that way? Given the effort and money used > for the OLPC project - on what would those people like

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-08 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Theo de Raadt wrote on Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 02:55:22PM -0600: > Adriaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> See Jim Gettys defense at >> http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress/?p=27 [...] > You can't say anything bad about the children, can you? Just as your rhetorical question suggests, indeed you can.

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-07 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Jeroen Massar wrote: Daniel Ouellet wrote: What strike me, among many things wrong and unreal here is the specific part as well: "Marvell is not in a position to open their wireless firmware as it is currently dependent on the third party operating system kernel that they do not own. A GPL Lin

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-07 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Adriaan wrote: On 10/5/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have decided to make public this letter which I sent to the OLPC ("One Laptop Per Child" group, which is strongly associated with Red Hat. [snip] See Jim Gettys defense at http://www.gettysfamily.org

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-07 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Original message >Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:55:22 -0600 >From: Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Letter to OLPC >To: Adriaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: misc@openbsd.org > >> On 10/5/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On 10/5/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have decided to make public this letter which I sent to the OLPC > > ("One Laptop Per Child" group, which is strongly associated with Red > > Hat. > [snip] > > See Jim Gettys defense at h

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-07 Thread Adriaan
On 10/5/06, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have decided to make public this letter which I sent to the OLPC ("One Laptop Per Child" group, which is strongly associated with Red Hat. [snip] See Jim Gettys defense at http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress/?p=27 =Adriaan=

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread C. Bensend
> "U. S. Foreign Policy - even a child can understand it!" post comes to > mind: > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.humour/msg/0059c3a5a272af46 And this has what to do with OpenBSD? Politics forums are over there -->>> or wherever. Don't care. It's not here. -- "Don't ping my cheese w

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 06/10/06, Diana Eichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 6 Oct 2006, Bob Beck wrote: > Unfortunately, fixing the government while maintaining the universal > democracy that is practically insisted upon by the USA as world > uber-cop makes that a very difficult task. Democracy gets yo

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Felipe Scarel
I totally agree with Siju on this. Living in a 3rd world country, as I guess he also lives, I am pretty sure that a laptop isn't at all important for disadvantaged children, as said. REAL need in our countries are, as previously said, for food, health care and good education. The most urgent of t

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Diana Eichert
On Fri, 6 Oct 2006, Bob Beck wrote: > Unfortunately, fixing the government while maintaining the universal > democracy that is practically insisted upon by the USA as world > uber-cop makes that a very difficult task. Democracy gets you the wait, wait, it's only insisted on as long as you

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Rick Pettit
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:24:13PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: > > if they want to fix third world countries they should start with the > > governments, this seems more like a marketing excercise > > Unfortunately, fixing the government while maintaining the universal > democracy that is practica

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Bob Beck
> if they want to fix third world countries they should start with the > governments, this seems more like a marketing excercise Unfortunately, fixing the government while maintaining the universal democracy that is practically insisted upon by the USA as world uber-cop makes that a very d

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Johan SANCHEZ
Hi Sij > > Getting a laptop to a child for low cost seems to be a noble idea on > the outside. > add a *3rd-world country* phase and you get a more polished *charity > painted/noble* image. Here that is a called charity bizness and unfortunately it s common fact > I don't think OLPC it that gre

Re: [OT] Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Oct 6, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: >> Mostly people who applaude such endeavours *do not have any idea* of >> the issues of the third world countries. >> >> I am not angry Jack. >> But When I find people *over nobleizing* at the expense of the 3rd >> world countries I think I

Re: [OT] Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Siju George
On 10/6/06, Girish Venkatachalam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now, coming to this particular issue of laptops I wholeheartedly agree with Siju. In fact this is >nothing different from that idiot Bill Gates who came to India saying that he wanted to help India tackle the AIDS disease. Little d

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Craig Skinner
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 03:41:32PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > In a private reply to my initial mail Jim Gettys (OLPC / Red Hat) said: > > Free and open software is a means to an end > I didn't find the new slogan on OLPC/Red Hat's site. Maybe I should check again tomorrow. Anyway, I hope

[OT] Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 04:06:35PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > If the real concern is for *disadvantaged children* in third world > countries then giving them a laptop is the most ridiculous idea ever > orginated! > > Some time back I saw a cartoon. One of the 3rd world countries blasted > their n

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Francois Slabbert
hr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "OpenBSD" Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Letter to OLPC > On 10/6/06, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > > > sole end

[Way OT] Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Nico Meijer
ify the problems the 'first world' has created in the first place. At the expense of the 'third world', no less. Our global problems will not be solved by thinking in the same thought patterns over and over again. I sincerely hope Theo's well written letter will b

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Siju George
On 10/6/06, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > sole end unto itself for OLPC. > > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob > says, is exactly what is going on. Hmm, sounds like you are sayi

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-06 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi, > I have decided to make public this letter which I sent to the OLPC > ("One Laptop Per Child" group, which is strongly associated with Red > Hat. Thank you, Theo, for doing what you do. There is indeed a "big difference between kneeling down and bending over" (FZ). Be well... Nico

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Bruno Carnazzi
2006/10/5, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I have decided to make public this letter which I sent to the OLPC ("One Laptop Per Child" group, which is strongly associated with Red Hat. OLPC seems to be in fact "One Laptop Per Customer". I'm tired of this wonder

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Han Boetes
Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Hmm, sounds like you are saying that abstract goal of unlimited > software freedom is a higher goal than providing access to > modern technology to disadvantaged children in 3rd-world > countries. No, all he wants is to make sure those disadvantaged children don't get a vend

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Kian Mohageri wrote on Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 04:46:41PM -0700: > On 10/5/06, Ingo Schwarze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The structure of the OpenBSD project suggests that this project >> might be able to resist better than others. It is no company. >> It is no charity. It is not so small that it

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Aaron Hsu
On Oct 5, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Karsten McMinn wrote: On 10/5/06, Aaron Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So in the end, we can't expect anything to happen if a people don't really care. People can't put in external protections to assure the safety of their ideas, it is the responsibility of people t

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Karsten McMinn
On 10/5/06, Aaron Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So in the end, we can't expect anything to happen if a people don't really care. People can't put in external protections to assure the safety of their ideas, it is the responsibility of people to ensure that such things are protected, and right n

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Aaron Hsu
On Oct 5, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: But they were wrong. To guard your Self against corruption, legal means are ineffective. Which means, then, might be effective? That is one of the most difficult questions i heard of. I cannot yet come any closer than this: Don't let people put

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread chefren
On 10/6/06 1:05 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: The structure of the OpenBSD project suggests that this project might be able to resist better than others. It is no company. It is no charity. It is not so small that it needs to grasp at every straw to survive. It is not so large that any of the big

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Kian Mohageri
On 10/5/06, Ingo Schwarze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The structure of the OpenBSD project suggests that this project > might be able to resist better than others. It is no company. > It is no charity. It is not so small that it needs to grasp at > every straw to survive. It is not so large

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Oct 5, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >It is not so small that it needs to grasp at >every straw to survive. It is not so large that any of the big >players will put any real effort into trying to corrupt it. My man, I think you just discovered the secret of a happy life. -- Jack J.

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread bofh
On 10/5/06, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > > sole end unto itself for OLPC. > > > > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob > > says, is exactly what is going on. > > Hmm, sounds like

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Bob Beck wrote on Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 03:47:14PM -0600: > Theo de Raadt wrote: >> In a private reply to my initial mail Jim Gettys (OLPC / Red Hat) said: >>> Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the >>> sole end unto itself for OLPC. >> I was totally stunned by this admission

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Oct 5, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: In the end, all this only make me fell even stronger about my choice of OpenBSD and what it's stand for! What makes me feel strong about my choice of OpenBSD is that, whatever moral suasions operate in Theo and the gang, these suasions are

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Oct 5, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Get out from under the rock! Well, see, I was an early Cygnus employee so I still find it hard to think ill of RedHat. Even though dealing with them at all these days gives me gas :-) -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performa

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > Does Red Hat making under-the-table deals with closed-source vendors > > to give them special access to hardware docs > > If this is in fact what the sum of the matter is, that is indeed > quite naughty. Oh come on. Everyone knows that Red Hat makes deals with closed vendors. They have SI

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Paul de Weerd wrote: On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 03:54:47PM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: | > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the | > sole end unto itself for OLPC. | > | > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob | > says, is exactly what is

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Oct 5, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Niall O'Higgins wrote: > > Does Red Hat making under-the-table deals with closed-source vendors > to give them special access to hardware docs If this is in fact what the sum of the matter is, that is indeed quite naughty. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development A

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
>>> The attitude that the end (hardware support) justifies the means >>> (complete sacrifice of the principles the thing was written under >>> in the first place) has to stop. >> In a private reply to my initial mail Jim Gettys (OLPC / Red Hat) said: Free and open software is a means to an e

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Oct 5, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Please don't automatically suggest that people who try to do good, end up doing good. Oh, I would not at all suggest such a thing. I run for office, and know that in public policy, intent is meaningless, it's only effect that counts. Let

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Niall O'Higgins
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 03:54:47PM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > > sole end unto itself for OLPC. > > > > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob > > says, is exactly what is going on. > > Hmm, so

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Michael Scheliga
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Jack J. Woehr > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 2:55 PM > To: OpenBSD > Subject: Re: Letter to OLPC > > > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the &

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Karsten McMinn
On 10/5/06, Bob Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is completely shameful. One Laptop Per Citizen - controlled by the cabal. indeed. If you (misc@) haven't already, send an email, post the outrage somewhere, voice your concern. Marvell would open in a second if it meant they were g

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 03:54:47PM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: | > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the | > sole end unto itself for OLPC. | > | > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob | > says, is exactly what is going on. | | Hmm, sou

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > > sole end unto itself for OLPC. > > > > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob > > says, is exactly what is going on. > > Hmm, sounds like you are saying that abstract goal of unlimited > so

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Bob Beck
* Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-05 16:03]: > > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > > sole end unto itself for OLPC. > > > > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob > > says, is exactly what is going on. > > Hmm, sounds li

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Jack J. Woehr
> Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > sole end unto itself for OLPC. > > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob > says, is exactly what is going on. Hmm, sounds like you are saying that abstract goal of unlimited software freedom i

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Bob Beck
> In a private reply to my initial mail Jim Gettys (OLPC / Red Hat) said: > > Free and open software is a means to an end, rather than the > sole end unto itself for OLPC. > > I was totally stunned by this admission. "morally bankrupt", as Bob > says, is exactly what is going on. >

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
> The attitude > that the end (hardware support) justifies the means (complete > sacrifice of the principles the thing was written under in the first > place) has to stop. I will quote one little sentence from a private mail with the OLPC team.

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Bob Beck
* Travers Buda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-05 14:56]: > It sure seems that OpenBSD and a few others with the FSF are > the last bastions of freedom. I guess no one else understands how it > serves their interests to demand openness. Was it always this way or > have we somehow lost the picture? >

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Travers Buda
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:36:26 -0700 "Greg Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hear, hear, or here, here, or whatever it's supposed to be. For some > reason hypocrisy is one thing that pisses me off more than anything > and these other projects are just freakin' filled with hypocrisy. To > them t

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Greg Thomas
On 10/5/06, Wijnand Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good job Theo, now we as a community should start spread the word again. Thank you for being the leader of Openness! Hear, hear, or here, here, or whatever it's supposed to be. For some reason hypocrisy is one thing that pisses me off mor

Re: Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Wijnand Wiersma
Good job Theo, now we as a community should start spread the word again. Thank you for being the leader of Openness! Wijnand

Re: [Love Letter] Functionnality vs State of mind

2006-10-05 Thread chefren
On 10/05/06 07:58, RedShift wrote: Just for the record, FreeBSD isn't holy too. Hm, yep, this is very important and we should get it straight, so I presume: OpenBSD is holy, Theo is the devil and together they span the universe? +++chefren

Letter to OLPC

2006-10-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
I have decided to make public this letter which I sent to the OLPC ("One Laptop Per Child" group, which is strongly associated with Red Hat. There have been replies to it by both Jim Gettys (argueing that their expediency is justified) and RMS (agreeing strongly with my point of view),

Re: [Love Letter] Functionnality vs State of mind

2006-10-04 Thread RedShift
Bruno Carnazzi wrote: Hi misc, I'd just like to say that nowadays, in free software world (real free software, not open source), from my point of view, I feel you have to choose between "featurefullness" and state of mind. By state of mind, I mean project goals and moral values. From this po

[Love Letter] Functionnality vs State of mind

2006-10-04 Thread Bruno Carnazzi
Hi misc, I'd just like to say that nowadays, in free software world (real free software, not open source), from my point of view, I feel you have to choose between "featurefullness" and state of mind. By state of mind, I mean project goals and moral values. From this point of view, I love Ope

one letter

2006-07-06 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi After reading the replies to my routerboard 44 question I reached the conclusion that I have no choice but buy the Intel quad NIC (my boss will hate me ;-)). I've started collecting quotes this morning, but I was only able to get quotes for the PWLA8494GT card and not for the PWLA8494MT ca

Re: double-letter problem in X.org

2006-06-08 Thread Cagdas Tulek
On 6/7/06, Fred Crowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cagdas Tulek wrote: > Hi, > > I've installed OpenBSD 3.9 on Toshiba Satellite 1410 laptop, > yesterday. Everything is fine except the problem I face on X which > does not happed at console. When I press a key, it sometimes prints > double-letter

Re: double-letter problem in X.org

2006-06-07 Thread Fred Crowson
Cagdas Tulek wrote: Hi, I've installed OpenBSD 3.9 on Toshiba Satellite 1410 laptop, yesterday. Everything is fine except the problem I face on X which does not happed at console. When I press a key, it sometimes prints double-letters. I am asking for help. I'm sending the dmesg output as an

Re: double-letter problem in X.org

2006-06-07 Thread Cagdas Tulek
Sorry, I've forgotten that attachments are stripped... Here is the dmesg output: OpenBSD 3.9 (GENERIC) #617: Thu Mar 2 02:26:48 MST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.20GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-clas

double-letter problem in X.org

2006-06-07 Thread Cagdas Tulek
Hi, I've installed OpenBSD 3.9 on Toshiba Satellite 1410 laptop, yesterday. Everything is fine except the problem I face on X which does not happed at console. When I press a key, it sometimes prints double-letters. I am asking for help. I'm sending the dmesg output as an attachment. Thanks...

Re: exit and eject should have their second letter in upper-case in cdio(1) help output

2005-12-21 Thread Todd C. Miller
Actually, the correct thing to do is to make one match with a single letter and the other match with two or more letters. I chose to make eject match "e". This resolves the ambiguity. - todd

exit and eject should have their second letter in upper-case in cdio(1) help output

2005-12-20 Thread Andrés Delfino
Since E is an "ambiguous command", one must use either type EJ or EX to eject a cd or otherwise exit cdio, but both have an E shorcut. That's why these two lines must be changed: { CMD_EJECT, "eject", 1, "" } to: { CMD_EJECT, "eject", 2, "" }, { CMD_QUIT, "exit", 1, "" }, to: { CMD_QUIT, "exit",

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