On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 02:22:35PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> Theo de Raadt wrote on Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 02:55:22PM -0600:
> > Adriaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> See Jim Gettys defense at
> >> http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress/?p=27
> [...]
> > You can't say anything bad about the children, can you?
> 
> Just as your rhetorical question suggests, indeed you can.
> I still hoped OLPC might at least focus on an appropriate
> auditorium.  For example, here in Germany we do have millions
> of (relatively!!) disadvantaged children who might profit from
> free laptops (though i suspect the same money spent on teacher
> salaries to have more basic language training or even spent on
> better public toothcare might help them better).  But the
> following paragraph by Jim Gettys flabbergasted me:
> 
> || Many or most children in the world do not have electric
> || power, nor do they have computer networking.  Without
> || power being available, even if access points cost nothing,
> || you have no network.  So we are deploying mesh networking,
> || to allow a child's laptop to forward packets for their
> || friend or neighbor's laptop; each laptop becomes, in
> || effect, a battery powered access point for the others.
> 
> So those children will get laptops before their families
> have electricity?  Had they any choice, how many of them
> would choose that way?  Given the effort and money used
> for the OLPC project - on what would those people like
> to spend it?  Or, to ask the question in a polemical way,
> would they choose Marvell, and why?
> 
> The criticism voiced by Siju and others does not only
> apply to several situations in general, but it does indeed
> appear to apply to this particular project.  :-(
> 
> Small wonder the project exhibits other flaws, too,
> when even this central aspect has been screwed up...

Just to add some numbers, and because it's a neat tool (even if the
'export to Excel' button is evil [1]):

http://jschipper.dynalias.net/~joachim/posts/20061008/hdr_report.html

The source should be rather obvious. This page is on my home server,
which is turned off when I feel like it (i.e. not often, but not never
either), so might be unreliable. Play around on hdr.undp.org if so
inclined.

                Joachim

[1] Any reason why 'export to CSV' is not in there?

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