Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

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Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

In general, this is a balanced and well-formulated assessment! Am 23.10.2024 um 00:56 schrieb Anthony Boynton: Comrades confuse two things, the comparison between Che and Yahya Sinwar as heroes and martyrs of important struggles, and the validity of the strategies they advocated and followed. C

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 09:12 PM, wrote: > > ??? Are you seriously suggesting that the left's "miscalculation" provoked > or triggered the Nazi's anti-semitism? I'm seriously suggesting that if the German revolution had not failed in 1919, we would not have had the instability of the Weimar re

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 10:47 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > The revolutionary left similarly miscalculated in the aftermath of WW I > and the Russian Revolution, notably in Germany and Hungary, which also > ultimately resulted in a genocide ??? Are you seriously suggesting that the left's "miscalc

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

Thnaks, Michael. Excellent summary of all the wrenching contradictions, and Hamas would have balked or decided on a different operation if it could have foreseen the outcome.  The revolutionary left similarly miscalculated in the aftermath of WW I and the Russian Revolution, notably in Germany a

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

Marvin, the numbers have been well-established for some time now. Around 1140 killed, which included over 300 military, police or security. About 780-800 civilians killed (this is form memory but pretty accurate), of which around 700 were Israeli citizens, and the other 80 or so were Thai and othe

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

> On Oct 22, 2024, at 11:49 AM, Duane Filan via groups.io > wrote: > > Both the Paris communards and civil war era Bolsheviks weaponized hostages. > To keep them in line, Trotsky took hostage the families of ex-imperial army > officers recruited to his army. The Commune executed about one

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 04:01 PM, Glenn Kissack wrote: > > I don’t think that slaughtering some 600 civilians — that’s Juan Cole’s > number — is the way to achieve that. Has Juan Cole's estimate been challenged within the pro-Palestine movement? I hadn't realized the number was that high, but i

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

It seems to me that any strategy for Palestinian liberation has to involve winning at least some section of the Israeli Jewish population to its side. I don’t think that slaughtering some 600 civilians — that’s Juan Cole’s number — is the way to achieve that. On the contrary, it plays into the

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

Comrades confuse two things, the comparison between Che and Yahya Sinwar as heroes and martyrs of important struggles, and the validity of the strategies they advocated and followed. Che tried to generalized the Cuban experience to the world and failed. Che's military leadership in the Cuban re

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 03:32 PM, Glenn Kissack wrote: > > The family of the Czar and the families of imperial army officers were not > civilians working on kibbutzes Glenn, Transpose the conflict to Algeria, Vietnam, or even better, South Africa in the 19th or 20th century.  The colonized pop

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

Anarchists employed individual terrorism as a strategy to awaken the masses and by example to stir them into action. Marxists condemned it as a strategy, but found it necessary to employ red terror to counter white terror in conditions of civil war. I suspect if Hamas could rerun the events of

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

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Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

Dennis, you raise a very tough one --- I hadn't thought about that ...I think in a perfect world, Nat Turner would not have killed children --- But I would never condemn him for that -- I guess I just think that what Hamas did was a "difference in kind" not just quantity One could also refer

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

[image: Leon Trotsky] “A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains – let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court o

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

How about the children of the slave owners that Nat Turner’s rebellion killed? Do you condemn the rebellion for that? On Oct 22, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Glenn Kissack via groups.io wrote:Both the Paris communards and civil war era Bolsheviks weaponized hostages. To keep them in line, Trotsky  took host

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

>> Both the Paris communards and civil war era Bolsheviks weaponized hostages. >> To keep them in line, Trotsky took hostage the families of ex-imperial army >> officers recruited to his army. The Commune executed about one hundred >> hostages including the archbishop of Paris. The family of

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

RIGHT ON COMRADE!!! On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 2:50 PM Duane Filan via groups.io wrote: > "when did Che Guevara organize the slaughter of thousands of civilians as > a form of struggle?" > > > Both the Paris communards and civil war era Bolsheviks weaponized > hostages. To keep them in lin

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

"when did Che Guevara organize the slaughter of thousands of civilians as a form of struggle?" Both the Paris communards and civil war era Bolsheviks weaponized hostages. To keep them in line, Trotsky took hostage the families of ex-imperial army officers recruited to his army. The Commu

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

: marxmail@groups.io on behalf of Michael Meeropol Sent: Monday, 21 October 2024 1:52 AM To: marxmail@groups.io Subject: Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology) and yet some folks are celebrating Sinwar's masterminding of the killing of 1200 Israelis --- even t

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

and yet some folks are celebrating Sinwar's masterminding of the killing of 1200 Israelis --- even though most of them were NOT "military" --- No matter how justified they might have felt, the Vietnamese did not kill every American pilot who was shot down --- they actually kept them fed, etc. whil

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

"Biden’s remarks hailing the killing of Sinwar could have been made by a fascist leader. They exemplify the repudiation of democratic principles at the highest levels of the American state. Assassinations and genocide are being embraced by the leaders of “democratic” countries as legitimate poli

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

THank you, Steven --- my sentiments exactly ...General Custer was "brave" also he was no revolutionary hero! On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 7:08 AM stevencolatrella via groups.io wrote: > We are all appalled at Israel's genocide in Gaza. But when did Che Guevara > organize a massacre of thousands o

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

We are all appalled at Israel's genocide in Gaza. But when did Che Guevara organize a massacre of thousands of civilians as a form of struggle? And when did Hamas declare itself for class struggle,  or socialism,  or the liberation of all  worldwide? I appreciate the sentiment,  but let's not be

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

Thanks for your kind words, Anthony! Am 18.10.2024 um 17:46 schrieb Boynton: Thank you Michael. There is no doubt that Sinwar's fearless bravery and honesty until the moment he died will make him a martyr like Che Guevara was. The Zionists, imperialists and false friends of Palestine are celeb

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

Thank you Michael. There is no doubt that Sinwar's fearless bravery and honesty until the moment he died will make him a martyr like Che Guevara was. The Zionists, imperialists and false friends of Palestine are celebrating his death. If Marx were alive, or Lenin, or Trotsky, they would be mourn

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

Thx Michael. An interview below I found is also of interest on this. It is in the same light as you article; perhaps with more detail. I found it useful - being an article via 'dropsite' by Ryan Grimm - with a youtube link to an interview with Jeremy Scahill. https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/hamas-l