Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Paul Smith
On 09/02/2017 02:24, Andreas Ziegler wrote: btw, does anyone know if the big providers take into account that some spam is only forwarded, not originating? we have many customers who want to forward their mail from someth...@myname.com to their gmail/hotmail/etc. mailboxes - which sometimes leads

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2017-02-09 03:24:09 (+0100), Andreas Ziegler wrote: > btw, does anyone know if the big providers take into account that some > spam is only forwarded, not originating? we have many customers who > want to forward their mail from someth...@myname.com to their > gmail/hotmail/etc. mailboxes - wh

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello Brandon, First, thanks for your objective mail. Are you speaking for for Microsoft or for another company? I cannot get that from your mail address. Am Mi den 8. Feb 2017 um 21:48 schrieb Brandon Long via mailop: > Generally speaking, we've

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Eric Henson
If you do a "reply-all" to Brandon's email, you'll see he works for Google. Have you ever had a security issue with a microsoft.com website? Can you provide a news article or other source confirming that their servers were compromised? I could see there possibly being an issue with the advertis

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Thursday 09 February 2017 10:15:17 Philip Paeps wrote: > Also note that DMARC breaks forwarding like this (or forwarding breaks > DMARC, depending on your religious affiliation). You can get around SPF > as long as your envelope matches your relay but for DMARC, the From: > domain also needs to

[mailop] Office365 EOP/phishing detection

2017-02-09 Thread Marc Powell
Hi all, Long (loong) time lurker, rare poster here. I work for a fairly well known ESP and last week our private link shortener was reported as being classified as malicious by Office365 users. Our system had detected that an unusual mailing had been sent and locked down the account; they had

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread John Levine
In article <1573147.t2hcmj7...@skynet.simkin.ca> you write: >Forwarding does not break DMARC. A DMARC pass requires that either SPF or DKIM >pass, not both. If a domain only authenticates with SPF, not DKIM, and publishes a DMARC policy, then forwarding will break DMARC. I don't think I've seen

Re: [mailop] btinternet / critical path contact?

2017-02-09 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2017-02-06 12:34:50 (+0100), Philip Paeps wrote: > Does anyone have a current way of getting in touch with whoever runs > btinternet.com these days? They have a history of (quasi-)randomly > blocking mailservers but in the past a friendly email to postmaster@ > always got issues resolved. For

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2017-02-09 08:54:09 (-0800), Alan Hodgson wrote: > On Thursday 09 February 2017 10:15:17 Philip Paeps wrote: > > Also note that DMARC breaks forwarding like this (or forwarding > > breaks DMARC, depending on your religious affiliation). You can get > > around SPF as long as your envelope match

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Laura Atkins
> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:47 AM, John Levine wrote: > > In article <1573147.t2hcmj7...@skynet.simkin.ca> you write: >> Forwarding does not break DMARC. A DMARC pass requires that either SPF or >> DKIM >> pass, not both. > > If a domain only authenticates with SPF, not DKIM, and publishes a > DMA

Re: [mailop] Office365 EOP/phishing detection

2017-02-09 Thread Michael Wise via mailop
Heh. These days, when I go home for the day, I am so gone home. I’m looking thru my inbox and having a hard time finding your email, could you ping me offline and tell me what the URL shortener is and I’ll have a peek. Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your

Re: [mailop] Forwarding issues, was Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread John Levine
>I never understand why users won't just collect mail from the 'proper' >mail server rather than having to forward it all to gmail/hotmail. A >large portion of our support issues are to do with this forwarding. Bad reason: setting up POP collection takes two minutes, while adding a forward only

Re: [mailop] Forwarding issues, was Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Dave Warren
On 2017-02-09 12:25, John Levine wrote: I never understand why users won't just collect mail from the 'proper' mail server rather than having to forward it all to gmail/hotmail. A large portion of our support issues are to do with this forwarding. Bad reason: setting up POP collection takes two

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Dave Warren
On 2017-02-09 01:16, Paul Smith wrote: I never understand why users won't just collect mail from the 'proper' mail server rather than having to forward it all to gmail/hotmail. A large portion of our support issues are to do with this forwarding. In my experience, it's because Gmail/Hotmail/wha

Re: [mailop] Forwarding issues, was Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2017-02-09 20:25:25 (-), John Levine wrote: > >I never understand why users won't just collect mail from the 'proper' > >mail server rather than having to forward it all to gmail/hotmail. A > >large portion of our support issues are to do with this forwarding. > > Bad reason: setting up

Re: [mailop] Forwarding issues, was Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
having IMAP IDLE to everywhere... ugh, I guess. What's another million persistent connections. I'd rather make forwarding more reliable. I've wanted to add an inbound gateway setting to consumer accounts, similar to what we have for GSuite customers, which would allow us to be smarter about forwa

Re: [mailop] Forwarding issues, was Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread John R Levine
having IMAP IDLE to everywhere... ugh, I guess. What's another million persistent connections. As the saying goes, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb. I'd rather make forwarding more reliable. I've wanted to add an inbound gateway setting to consumer accounts, simil

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Andreas Ziegler
John Levine schrieb am 09.02.2017 um 05:30: > If you want your mail delivered, you have to filter out the spam, even > if it's forwarded. sure - i didn't say i don't do that. maybe i should simply set stricter rules for forwards than for local mailboxes... __