Re: moving quickly to top or end of message list?

2009-12-10 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Donna, I'd be interested in knowing this as well. Currently, I hold down either arrow key for a few seconds until VO informs me that I'm at the top or bottom of the message list. It doesn't say that specifically, but when at either end, speech is heard and I know I''m at the top or bottom

This is! gonna! drive? me, nuts!

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Gilland
ok, for one, I tried subbing to the group for IPod and IPhone support, but it's teling me the list doesn't exist. This may be a question for ester or some of you real savvy IPod users. although anyone, feel free to answer. Now you tell me, this is not totally bizarre. I have one playlist set

O, one more thing about this issue with my song sorting

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Gilland
I almost forgot: If I am in the now playing sceen, on hover on the album graffic art work, then flick left a few times to the album tracks button, if I double tap that, o yeah, it brings up all the tracks, but starting from 1, working down, again, they're in alphabetical order, not album order.

I think I found the problem

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Gilland
Guies, disregard my last post. I think I found the issue with my sorting. I'm not totally! sure yet, but I can almost! guarantee. I'll let you all know if my theory winds up not being correct. Chris. ? ? t?? Te?? 畫 sa?. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo

another playlist question

2009-12-10 Thread Ray Foret jr
Okay, Jus two quick questions: 1. Can I convert a .m3u playlist in to an ITunes Playlist? 2. IF not, how do I add to an already existing .m3u playlist using the Mac? I found that apparently, ITunes will play the files in an already existing .m3u playlist in the correct order which is

Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

2009-12-10 Thread Donna Goodin
Oh, that's handy. I hadn't tried that. Thanks, Esther. Donna On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:22 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Donna, > > I just wanted to add, that in the mail messages table if you press > option-up arrow or option down-arrow (short key press without holding > down for about a second), you can na

Re: nifty trick for jumping to top or bottom of message list in mail

2009-12-10 Thread Donna Goodin
Glad it was helpful Israel. Sometimes I would also type the letters of someone's name, but I would run into trouble in say Sent Mail, where I didn't always remember the name of someone to whom I'd sent a message. Cheers, Donna On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Israel wrote: > Thank you for this

Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users

2009-12-10 Thread trahern culver
so are the kindwall or stanzer Iphone apps accsesable then? kind regards trahern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread Chris Hofstader
NVDA is a usable program that, unfortunately, doesn't support very many applications yet. If you can program in Python, you can help the team move it forward. As a full time solution, though, it isn't ready for prime time yet. I know both Mick and Jamie, the top of the NVDA team, and they work

Re: Hilighting and copying text...

2009-12-10 Thread Søren Jensen
Hi. You can do this in two ways: You can interact with the text, and then press VO return to start selection. Then select the text you wanna copy by pressing vo right arrow. When you are finnish, press VO return again and press command c to copy the text to your clipboard. The second way is in

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread James & Nash
Hi Chris, You wrote: NVDA is a usable program that, unfortunately, doesn't support very many applications yet. If you can program in Python, you can help the team move it forward. As a full time solution, though, it isn't ready for prime time yet. I have to disagree with you. I think NVDA is

Blank PDF filePlease Help

2009-12-10 Thread Stan
Hi One and All, I am trying to read a "pdf" file which I received via email. I saved the attachment to my finder, and it shows up but when I open it in pref, it is blank. The file info: shows; Kind PDF Document Size 153 KB Pages 1 Dimensions 842 times 596 Security Method: none Creator: Hewlett

Re: Blank PDF filePlease Help

2009-12-10 Thread James & Nash
Hi Stan, The only thing I can think of at the moment is that the content of the PDF may have been scanned in. Therefore, becasue the content is an image and not actual content VO will be not be able to read it. Do you have an OSCR package that can OCR PDF files? if so you could run it through

Re: Blank PDF filePlease Help

2009-12-10 Thread Thomas McMahan
I would try opening with preview first, see if you can get information through vo that way first. Then if not, copy the document and run it through something like Abby fine reader, then if for some reason something gets lost in converstion you still have the original. But using fine reader

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread Chris Hofstader
I guess I was referring to NVDA's relatively minimal support for the MS Office applications which are usually required for a job using a PC in the US. NVDA has the parts under their hood to equal or even surpass the support for MS Office in JAWS or Window-Eyes but they haven't the resources to

best scanning and OCR solution for the Mac?

2009-12-10 Thread Ray Foret jr
Hi, On here, I've been seeing a lot of references to Abby Fine Reader. From what I gather, though, it won't actually let you do the scanning itself with Voice Over so another solution such as Scanview is needed to bring the .jpg images in to Abby Find Reader. Honestly, I'd realyl rather not u

Re: Blank PDF filePlease Help

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Roberts
Hello Stan, On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Stan wrote: > I am trying to read a "pdf" file which I received via email. The file you are trying to read is probably a scanned image. You'll need an OCR program to convert the scanned image to text. Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com -- You received

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Roberts
On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > I think SA (both versions) has a magnification portion. I don't think I've > ever heard of anyone actually using it so, as I can't see well enough to use > it, I cannot say much about it. The commercial version of System Access does have

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread James & Nash
All fair points Chris, although I've always found NVDA to be very good - at lesat in Word. I too always look at the tools I or another user needs for the job at hand, thus like you, I am not and hopefully will never be an evangelist for one platform or piece of AT. TC James - Original Mes

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread Declan
I don't normally use screen readers. I tried NVDA just to see what it was like. Word: It works OK in Word. Excel: I have just now tried it in Excel. It worked ok in Excel just now. Winamp: I have tried in in Winamp. It does not read the tool tips in Windamp. The menu headings are not read.

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread erik burggraaf
Speaking as an access technology trainer I have to say, I wish more people would adopt nvda. The average age of my clients is about 65 years old. I'm not training most people for job readiness, although I can and I have done. The fact of the matter is, an 80 year old person does not need a $1

Re: Blank PDF filePlease Help

2009-12-10 Thread Declan
The file is a scanned docunet I am in no doubt. The file info says Author: Hewlett Packard MFP. This Tells me that it is HP Multi- Function Printer. So it is a Printer/Scanner/Coppier that was used to create the PDF. You will need an OCR program to read the PDF. -- You received this message

Does cursor tracking work in Open Office using OSX 10.5 Leapoard? NOT Snow Leapoard.

2009-12-10 Thread Declan
Anybody using Open Office on Leapoard NOT Snow Leapoard? Does the cursor track in Zoom in Writer and the spreadsheet? I am thinking of buying a Mac and thanks to this group found that Snow Leapoard had a bug that stopped currsor tracking. I am just trying to find out if Open Office realy does wo

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread James & Nash
You are quite right and I agree with you everything you've said. - Original Message - From: "erik burggraaf" To: Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: questions about NVDA Speaking as an access technology trainer I have to say, I wish more people would adopt nvda. Th

Re: Does cursor tracking work in Open Office using OSX 10.5 Leapoard? NOT Snow Leapoard.

2009-12-10 Thread Esther
Hi Declan, I use VoiceOver without Zoom and Zoom cursor myself, but I've set up these features for others. I just ran through tests of this mode (with someone looking to check these results), that cursor tracking works in Pages and Numbers (of Open Office) under Leopard. This configurati

re: Blank PDF files Please Help

2009-12-10 Thread Stan
Hi James, Thomas, Matt, and Declan, Thank's, I do not have a OCR at this time, but will have to look into getting one soon. Cheers Me2u&u2me, Stan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisi

Moving aps round the Ipod Touch

2009-12-10 Thread graham
Hi, I want to move some aps on my Ipod touch. I double tap and hold my finger on the Icon to be moved and hear the three tones. By sliding my finger slowly Voiceover announces the screen position the ap is currently on so i know where to drop it. However I can't figure out how for example

Recently added no longer appearing in my sources table in Itunes

2009-12-10 Thread graham
Hi, As the subject line says, the item recently added has disappeared from my sources table in Itunes. How can I get it back? many thanks in advance for any help received. Kind regards Graham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" gr

Re: Moving aps round the Ipod Touch

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Roberts
On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:57 PM, graham wrote: > I want to move some aps on my Ipod touch. > I double tap and hold my finger on the Icon to be moved and hear the three > tones. > By sliding my finger slowly Voiceover announces the screen position the ap > is currently on so i know where to drop i

Re: Does cursor tracking work in Open Office using OSX 10.5 Leapoard? NOT Snow Leapoard.

2009-12-10 Thread Declan
This is good to know. Thank you very much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googl

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread Chris Hofstader
In a way, I'm sort of becoming an evangelist for VO and orca. It's probably because I use them a lot and think they are both pretty good and I don't need to deal with Windows and its many problems. On GNU/Linux I can even try to help fix bugs that bother me in orca. OT: A friend of mine and

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread Chris Hofstader
I agree but I think SA, the no cost online and the low cost free standing versions, have an edge over NVDA primarily because they have lots of professional documentation, help files and tutorials. These can go far especially among seniors new to the whole thing. cdh On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:11 P

Re: Recently added no longer appearing in my sources table in Itunes

2009-12-10 Thread Esther
Hi Graham, graham wrote: > Hi, > > As the subject line says, the item recently added has disappeared > from my sources table in Itunes. > > How can I get it back? "Recently Added" is just a smart playlist. I'm not sure why it disappeared from your sources table, but you can recreate it by us

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread erik burggraaf
I can't whole hartedly agree with you on this one. Given the level of functionality built in to voice over, it would be rediculous to expect developers to try to compete. On top of that, there are other factors in accessibility besides a screen reader. There is your own level of proficiency f

It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Jess
Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to convince him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody to convert a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done? Jess -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionarie

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread James & Nash
Cool really cool!!! I also use Orca on Linux - although I'm not very familiar with Linux as I'm only just starting out. I am learning to program in Python, so perhaps one day I can help out with Orca. i also use NVDA and JFW on Widnwos as well as System Access and Window Eyes a little. On the

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread James & Nash
Yes, but the problem with SA2GO is that you need an internet conection to get it to work and I am not sure if it will run on a limited account or in a public place. You also need an intenret connection to get hold of NVDA if you've not already got it. This is why leaving aside for the moment Ap

RE: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread M. Taylor
Jes, it's been done. I, for one, have purchased and love my MacBook Pro. Since the release of iPhone, entire new vistas have been opened to us die hard windows users. (Smile) Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On B

RE: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Larry Wanger
Sure, just buy them a mac and take away their old PC. I did it to my wife and it worked. She complained at first but got over it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jess Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:47 PM

Re: Hilighting and copying text...

2009-12-10 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi, What is actually interesting about this approach is that, at least on some web pages, this is not doable. I've found that to be the case on my Mac, running 10.6.2. It's always been the case for me from the beginning of 10.6. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi, I was a die hard Windows user, but I am no more. Rejoice, for I have been speaking to at least five other people about the Mac. Some say it's crap without having tried one at all which is extremely narrow-minded,a couple of people wanted me to show them around on the Mac, some wanted me to

Re: questions about NVDA

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Roberts
On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:49 PM, James & Nash wrote: > Yes, but the problem with SA2GO is that you need an internet conection to > get it to work and I am not sure if it will run on a limited account or in a > public place. Satogo works on any computer with an internet connection. I use it all the

Re: Hilighting and copying text...

2009-12-10 Thread Donna Goodin
Really! I haven't tried copying txt from a web page, so maybe that's why I haven't experienced that. Donna On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > What is actually interesting about this approach is that, at least > on some web pages, this is not doable. I've found that

downloading mp3s with Safari

2009-12-10 Thread claire amoroso
Does somebody know if it is possible to download an mp3 file wih Safari by just pasting the Mp3's URL in the address bar ? Currently, when I do this, Quicktime starts playing the file and I can not download it to my hard drive. Thanks for your help, Claire

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Matt Roberts
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Jess wrote: > >> Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to convince >> him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody to convert >> a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done? I have been telling everyone I know about th

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread John G. Heim
Well, could you be convinced that a Windows PC is better? I challenge anyone to change the mind of a die hard Mac user that a Windows machine is better. There are just as many people on this list who couldn't be convinced that Windows is just as good as a Mac. Its not like Windows users are gen

Re: Microphone

2009-12-10 Thread John G. Heim
I believe that you need a special microphone for a Mac mini. I tried several headsets and none of them worked either. You get output but no input. I also tried a microphone from an old cassette deck and it did work. The microphone jack is a little longer than that on a headset. Instead of buy

Re: Moving aps round the Ipod Touch

2009-12-10 Thread Scott Howell
Nope, just keep moving to the left and you'll hear a slightly different tone that indicates you have moved to a new page. VoiceOver will speak this fact, but it can be a little confusing since when I did this it seemed it would announce a page that previously did not exist. So, what I haven't ch

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Scott Howell
Funny I did something similar and now I'd end up in divorce court if I tried to take away her Mac. :) Then again, I probably would end up in a even worse position if I tried taking her iPHone. :) On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > Sure, just buy them a mac and take away their old

Re: downloading mp3s with Safari

2009-12-10 Thread matthew Dyer
Try using opsion enter to do this. I do that from time to time when I have a download of a file. Matthew On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:20 PM, claire amoroso wrote: > Does somebody know if it is possible to download an mp3 file wih Safari by > just pasting the Mp3's URL in the address bar ? Currently

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread James & Nash
That's a good point John. I've read a lot of Mac stuff over the years - not on this list, and it seems to me as though Apple fandom and the Mac more specifically have become religious doctrine for some. Both sides have their evangelists who trash one side or the other, although I have never hear

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Gilland
Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do such. I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic with the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Gilland
Totally agree, James. Chris. - Original Message - From: "James & Nash" To: Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Re: It's pointless! > That's a good point John. I've read a lot of Mac stuff over the years - > not > on this list, and it seems to me as though Apple fandom

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Lynn Schneider
Jess, I for one am a recent switcher. I was myself a diehard Windows user and I thought it would always be that way, but I needed a new computer and Windows 7 was not yet out, Freedom Scientific started doing things that I did not like, and I joined this list to learn about the Mac as a possibl

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Jake
Hi I don't think "convert" is the right idea here. It makes it sound like a religion, and I don't like religions let alone making one out of something like a computer. The important thing is for people to know their options, that they have options, and to try and keep their minds open. Those who li

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Kaare Dehard
Depends on why they were windows users. I used my machines good and long because it was a matter of economics. the moldy old screen reader I used was able to do what I wanted, and the world was fine enough. When I fried a power supply and took the motherboard to the party, I was then in a positi

RE: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread M. Taylor
John, Amen and very, very well said. M -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:49 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's pointless! Well, could you

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Kimberly thurman
Hello Group: Here's one who is trying to convert from long-time windows and JAWS use. I got a Mac Book Pro this past weekend, and am slowly and patiently plodding through help documents, etc. Is there a hot key to get the time like insert or JAWS key F12 on windows? I know that's a silly q

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread Ryan Mann
Hello. If you have VoiceOver set to allow apple Script and keyboard commander enabled, you should be able to hit option+t for the time. You can enable these through VoiceOver utility. On Dec 10, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > Hello Group: > > Here's one who is trying to convert

? on studio mixers and Midda controlers/ keybords.

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Huckabay
I'm righting to see if some one first of all knows of some good studio mixers that you can conect by USB to a mac. Seckend if some one knows of enny good Midda controlers or keybords for the mac that work well. Thanks a lot Mike H. you can also contact me off list at mikehucka...@me.com -- Y

Re: It's pointless!

2009-12-10 Thread anouk radix
Hello, Yeah I love it as well. I was a die hard windows user as well but the mac is so much more stable. And running windows 7 in vmware works really well too if you ever need it. Its even better then running windows natively because you can just back up the one file and if somehting goes wrong