Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-24 Thread Caitlyn Furness
Could somebody please explain the differences between the two modes? thanks! Cait > On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Devin Prater wrote: > > Well, I tried group mode on forum.audiogames.net, and it worked okay but my > goodness it was very slow and laggy. Otherwise, it did exactly what I wanted! >

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2015-06-22 Thread Tim Emmons
Thanks Anne, was just curious how that worked. I’ll have to take a look just to get familiar with the differences. Thanks again and take care. > On Jun 22, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Tim, > > The command to switch between DOM and Groups mode exists but has no shortcut.

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2015-06-22 Thread Devin Prater
Well, I tried group mode on forum.audiogames.net, and it worked okay but my goodness it was very slow and laggy. Otherwise, it did exactly what I wanted! > On Jun 22, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Tim, > > The command to switch between DOM and Groups mode exists but has no s

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2015-06-21 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Tim, The command to switch between DOM and Groups mode exists but has no shortcut. You have to use one of the commanders for this. The command is in the Web menu and is "Toggle Web Navigation DOM or Group”. Cheers, Anne > On 17 Jun 2015, at 16:30, Tim Emmons wrote: > > How does one s

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2015-06-21 Thread Tim Emmons
How does one switch between the two modes. I’ve always missed this one. > On Jun 17, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > > Hey whatever works for ya. I switch depending on need but as a long ago and > long time windows user for work which involves a lot of browsing, I’ve been > more partia

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2015-06-18 Thread Devin Prater
Well in Windows, I go to the heading of the post, like 3 heading level 2 or something, press down arrow to get into the list, the press comma twice to skip both the list and sublist, that’s with NVDA. > On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > Strange, I’ve always found that

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2015-06-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Strange, I’ve always found that forum very agreeable as compared to many other boards (though it’s still no substitute for mail, obviously). But I agree that the easiest way of dealing with the header of every message is to simply skip it line by line, which means simply getting into the habit

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2015-06-18 Thread Devin Prater
Hi all. The one site I absolutely hate to work with on the mac is forums.audiogames.net Site the site is accessible, but reading posts is horrible! I have to go to the next heading, press voiceover-right arrow to skip passed the lists of details about a user, then finally I get to the post. This

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2015-06-17 Thread Mike Arrigo
I always use dom mode as well, with group mode, you have to interact with everything, no thanks, just give me a structured order of the page. If I want to skip something, there are key strokes to do that. > On Jun 17, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > FWIW, I prefer DOM mode all

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2015-06-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
FWIW, I prefer DOM mode all the time. I have tried group mode every now and again, but I found that the supposed efficiency benefits were never there for me, and in fact I’d simply miss out on details that I actually wanted. Since group mode is based on document structure, it should in theory

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
r the specific apps you want to have that functionality. God I love the activity manager. Probably one of the sweetest! features in Voiceover in my opinion. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Eileen" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:01 PM Subject: Re: web site navig

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
is precisely what I need. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Grant" To: "MacVisionaries List" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted I believe Yuma is referring to VoiceOver’s fast searching f

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Oh, yeah! I do remember now. Thank you for your help. I greatly appreciate it. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Yuma Decaux" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:17 PM Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Go to voice over utility/

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2015-06-17 Thread Eileen
Hi Grant and All, If one uses the right option key in web navigation, will it interfere with using the right option key (if set) in keyboard commanders to create shortcuts? I didn't know if the right option key worked independently in different apps. I'm just curious. Thanks. Eileen Sent f

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2015-06-17 Thread Yuma Decaux
ings, but I just had! to speak up and say > something. So, yeah, thank you for all you do! > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:48 AM > Subject: RE: web site navigation by gro

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2015-06-17 Thread Grant
I believe Yuma is referring to VoiceOver’s fast searching feature. This can be enabled from within VoiceOver utility (press CTRL+OPTION+F8 to get in there). The setting you want, “enable fast searching”, is in the navigation section. Once you turn this on, you could, for example, go to www.apple

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2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
groups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Well, I don't think you all get the credit you all deserve, frankly...

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
nesday, June 17, 2015 11:48 AM Subject: RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Chris, thanks very much sure appreciate it. It gets tough sometimes. Junior Lolley kg4itd Liberty County Emergency Coordinator "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make

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2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Oh wow, just saw your signature.

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher Gilland
t; To: Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:35 AM Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Christopher, For fast searching, set the right command key as control key and use whatever first letter you want to search for on a site. For example, in google, if the first p

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher Gilland
Oh wow, just saw your signature. You're the coordinator for the emergency response system in your county? Wow! That is awesome! If so, thank you for all the work you guys do for us, regardless the area of jurisdiction/state/county. Chris. -- You received this message because you are su

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2015-06-17 Thread Yuma Decaux
inal Message - From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:16 AM > Subject: RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted > > > I am still learning the Mac how do you make sure dom is selected please? > >

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2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
isionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:25 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted If you've not changed it, then it should be set to dom by default. If you want to c

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
m. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:16 AM Subject: RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted I am still learning the Mac how do you make sure dom is selected please? Junior Lolley kg4itd Libe

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2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Ray, I personally find group mode

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I am curious if you, or someone else can tell me how to do this: I was listenning to the Testing Testing webinar which I purchased from Jonathan Mosen, and he had done the coolest thing with his Safari. Apparently, if I understood correctly what he was saying, he's got it set where he can hold

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2015-06-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, I use Group mode pretty well all the time. As Anne mentioned, it seems much quicker when navigating sites you are familiar with as it allows you to navigate quickly past groups of content on the page that may be irrelevant to you at that time. I also use tab navigation fairly often in con

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2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
a day in my life. Chris. - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted No question. group is a much more intuitive way to navigate than dom,

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2015-06-17 Thread erik burggraaf
No question. group is a much more intuitive way to navigate than dom, taking full advantage of the mac system of navigation as it does. I would use it all the time except that no matter how many upgrades come down the pipe, group mode is consistently very slow. It pauses my browsing with busy

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2015-06-17 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
what was the difference though? i don't know much about it. when i transfred from windows to mac, i have problem interacting on the pages all the time. is this dom mode or what? > On 17 Jun 2015, at 4:17 pm, Kaare Dehard wrote: > > Hey whatever works for ya. I switch depending on need but as a

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2015-06-17 Thread Kaare Dehard
Hey whatever works for ya. I switch depending on need but as a long ago and long time windows user for work which involves a lot of browsing, I’ve been more partial to dom. > On Jun 17, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > > Hi there > I very seldom use DOM mode. I’ve tried it a few times,

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2015-06-17 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there I very seldom use DOM mode. I’ve tried it a few times, and it didn’t get me what I wanted. Maybe I just don’t do enough web browsing. Gigi > On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > I prefer groups mode in general as I find it more efficient. DOM mode seems > tedious

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2015-06-17 Thread Anne Robertson
I prefer groups mode in general as I find it more efficient. DOM mode seems tedious to me as it’s harder to skip elements when you know a website well. I have a short cut to switch between navigation modes for those times when DOM mode is better, such as when using the Safari Reader. In Groups m