may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21,
dding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the
>>> only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a
>>> Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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nto consideration.
From:
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM
To: Mac Visionary
Subject: Re: Looks like W
y has no ability to be used on a
>>> Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Beh
n issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into
> consideration.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: Mac Visionary
> Subject: Re: Looks like Win
four that apparently has no ability to be used on a
>> Windows 8 tablet. That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into
>> consideration.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Danie
> To: Mac Visionary
> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader
> built in
>
> Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying
> to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps
> and are
into
consideration.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM
To: Mac Visionary
Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader
built in
Lol, Windows 3.1 is a l
Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying
to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps
and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac. And Google
have the Chromebook.
As ARM based cpu get more powerful that
Hey guys, Another thing has occurred to me about this. As you know,
window-eyes has been under developed for several years. You might not be aware
that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016. Sales of
personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year. A
Christina, i will give you 2 examples, and i am sure you will have no
problems in understanding them both.
1 is W E, it costs money, and lets be brutally honest, if you are
blind money usually is not exactly something you are swimming in.
It is a downside, i am not going too say much about W E, b
I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears to
be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others with
various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and equipment.
I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They a
Ray,
If it even goes that way, I suspect the action would be aimed more @ MicroSoft
than GW Micro. There’s not a lot GW Micro could be called on here. But, for a
giant like MicroSoft to prefer one of the little guys over another, I would
guess that they’ll be called upon to “level the playing
Sandi,
Thanks for the endorsement. I tend to agree with you, in that whatever gets
the job done is the tool I’ll use.
CJ
On Jan 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
> hi, i do agree with Daniel.
> This topic may be OT for the most on this list, but the movement is
> definitely in
Some here might be able to make valid points in a courtroom setting
as to the merits of such an OT discusssion but I came here to get away
from Windows and learn more about my Mac. ;)
Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safel
I wonder what Jonathan mosen thinks, as he is a great fan of Jaws! he does use
a Mac from time to time. I'd love him to write his take on it.
> Kawal.
> On 19 Jan 2014, at 03:25 pm, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
> Well, CJ, points well taken. In my current sadistic mood, I allow that it
> will be ve
Well, CJ, points well taken. In my current sadistic mood, I allow that it will
be very amusing if Freedom Scientific tried to take legal action against GW
Micro for doing this. Now that would make a story would it not?
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
hi, i do agree with Daniel.
This topic may be OT for the most on this list, but the movement is
definitely interesting.
Usually, at least in Denmark where i am living the prices for for
example jaws is so high cause the most expects that your government
pays for it , so they can pretty much set any
Ray,
While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this magnitude
is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The offering of
Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in itself, is not
earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the ad
I cannot help but agree. I am actually trying to leave Windows
behind. I only have to use it to run Duxbury until they have the Mac
version.
Its interesting how this topic is so popular on this list. But I
could do without it as I need to learn to use my Mac.
Quote of the nanosecond .
Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word to
get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one voice and
I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable mention for this,
it’s got presious little to do with those of us who don’t a
Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably benefit
from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do so.
HtH,
teresa
Slow down; you'll get there faster.
On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do wit
For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users?
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
> h
hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i
believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i
could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it
is simple and too the point.
It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others hav
I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3
gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could
see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. Last
WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, WindowEyes
at 12% and
i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that?
Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i
use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in
textedit directly.
I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer
than xp for
Hi All,
I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes for a few
years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I needed to pay for
them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on how to get started
with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned
Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice of installing
from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW Micro. Free speech!!
Take care
17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan :
Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support
beyond instal
Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical support
beyond installation.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs,
indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other programs,
does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window eyes in
general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder?
Kare
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote:
I haven't followed this thread very closely
I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this has come up.
You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen reader that has very good
Office support and can also be scripted. A common complaint about NVDA is that
people don't like Espeak, the synthesizer it comes with, but
Hi.
Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those of us looking
for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long as they have office 2010
or later on their system. How well does window eyes and office work together I
wonder?
Warm regards and blessings
Maria, Joe and
All.
The purchased version of Window-eyes gives you the below:
As per the FAQs located at http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com/FAQ/
There are a number of additional benefits offered by GW Micro when purchasing
the retail version of Window-Eyes:
• Free technical support with an unlimited number of
rom: "Karen Lewellen"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader
> built in
>
>
> question?
> granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I
> follow thi
No, as I understand it, Window-eyes works as it normally does with every
program, just requiring that Office be on the system.
- Original Message -
From: "Karen Lewellen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward f
mpany since
unlimited support isn't a big enough draw for most of us to forego this and
pay full price?
- Original Message -
From: "Teresa Cochran"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader
groups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader
built in
Actually I would still have it. would it facilitate list discu
I suspect that this is just the opening salvo in the end of the Window
screen reader war. I suspect we will see WindowEye become the built in
screen reader of Windows and with that JAWS and the other will die on the
vine as it were. No one is going to pay for a screen reader if they get one
for
Actually I would still have it. would it facilitate list discussion if I
reposted it here?
Karen
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote:
They did something very silly like that. I've just done a quick search though
and I can't find it. It seems they took down their blog.
Of course it's
Yes, but lots of people already own Office. Not saying this solution is as
good as that of the Mac, but I do believe that the more options we have, the
better. I work with students who couldn't shift from Windows if they tried.
I'm glad that there's now an option available to them that doesn'
They did something very silly like that. I've just done a quick search though
and I can't find it. It seems they took down their blog.
Of course it's still in the list archives from some time in 2010 I think, but I
can't get a search of the archives to work either.
Best,
Erik Burggraaf
Ebony
did not someone at gW Micro go on record publicly once staying that giving
a screen reader away is bad for its users? Not an exact quote I realize,
but is not this correct?
Kare
On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Brian Fischler wrote:
While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair lau
Well, when you get down to it, it's still a bolt on screen reader developed
by a third party. I think this was a great move on the part of GW Micro, but I
really don't see how this will set Windows apart from what Apple has done. You
still have to buy Office.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
While this was nice to hear, I to practically fell out of my chair laughing
when the press release mentioned “leading the way,” I guess trying to catch up
to what Apple has been doing for the past several years translates to leading
the way, hilarious.
On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf
I suspect it is the ongoing evolution of the OS/platform. Back in the
day people downloaded and installed Stuffit Expander or paid for
shareware like ZipIt just to decompress downloaded files. Those apps are
seldom needed today because the OS takes care of it. So the stuff that
was new and inno
Hi Chris & all,
I believe this is a coo for GW Micro, with the partnership with Microsoft.
However, this brings me back to those of us who have purchased WE and have
supported GW Micro for all these years and I don't regret the ability to
support them. I bet there will be some individuals that
I don’t think that is true. I think you have to own Microsoft office in order
to qualify for a free version of Window-Eyes, but once you have it, you can use
it with anything.
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
richr...@gmai
Hi
Window-Eyes can be used across the board, just that so long as Office
2010 or later is installed you can use Window-Eyes minus the 30 minute
demonstration mode, in other words you can use a fully functional copy
of Window-Eyes to be used across the board just by installing Office
2010 or la
question?
granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user. still if I
follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software? just what
happens if after you download the single ticket for office, and try to
use the program for something else?
Allowing it to work with only on
I'm not sure they'll integrate it completely. If they do, they may just
integrate it into narrator, which would be interesting. However, I don't think
they should, as the microsoft speech platform is so slow.
Sent from my braille plus 18
Donna Goodin wrote:
>Actually, I was surprised that Micr
Actually, I was surprised that Microsoft didn't try to pair with NVDA. That
would've seemed to be more beneficial economically for both Microsoft and NVDA.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie
> wrote:
>
> I agree.
> My sma for WE ran out at version 8 and it’s
I agree.
My sma for WE ran out at version 8 and it’s not worth upgrading anymore.
NVDA is a much better choice if you have to use windows.
Cait
On Jan 14, 2014, at 2:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at
> this. I had been a
It’s not quite built-in. Of course, someone has to buy Microsoft Office to be
able to use window-eyes for free. And it’s still basically out-sourcing the
screen-reader. It’s going to work out well for some folks.
Teresa
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too
Hmm interesting. Since I went blind last year, I started on the Mac first. Two
weeks I started to learn Windows 7 with NVDA. So, what does this mean? Will
others find Windows Eye better now since it is cheaper? Or will most Windows
users still use JAWS or NVDA?
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Ma
Wow, Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at
this. I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have
switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access to
flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch s
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