Hi,
Thanks a lot for this, Cara and Josh. I've always been wanting to know how to
do this. :)
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...and if you use the Mouse Keys feature, it's even easier to move a mail
message column:
•Turn off the NumPad Commander and turn on Mouse Keys, for example with the 5
times option key pressed (if you have enabled this shortcut)
•Make sure VO will speak what's under the mouse (see VO Utilities)
thanks, Cara, for the post from Josh. I don't have a Macbook, so the trackpad
isn't available here. But I do have numpad commander and quicknav. Not much
good here, but good other places. Tradeoffs.
mary
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Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically
Hi Dave;
What you'd like to do in Mail on the Mac in Snow Leopard 10.6.4 with VO,
is certainly doable. :)
First, simply move to the messages table and then just use plain arro
Hi Mary;
While the process to rearrange columns is somewhat annoying in my opinion, :)
it is really a set it and forget it type of thing, so once you do it you really
need not do it again. I.E. these settings will persist over newer versions of
Mail as well as entire OS updates or restorati
aylor wrote:
>
>> Wish you could lock the VO keys with an arrow based command, that would
> make
>> a lot of difference I think!
>>
>>
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they can.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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Hi Cara,
In a recent message you noted that it is possible to reorder the columns in the
messages table. I see in the view menu where you can eliminate some although
message status isn't one of them, sadly. But I don't see where you can reorder
them, e.g. I want subject first, furtherst to the
works, so thank you.
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Has no one told you about Qu
; reflected in
>> some sort of searchable tips and tricks kind of website. I very much
>> want to
>> know what's possible, not seem in opposition.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>>
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Has no one told you about Quick Nav? It sounds like what you're asking for.
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>> hello; from my experience I generally use vo, which is
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hello; from my experience I generally use vo, which is control plus
option, with the arrow keys, space bar, and shift key. I use
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> hello; from my experience I generally use vo, which is control plus
> option, with the arrow keys, space bar, and shift key. I use tab and
> shift
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hello; from my experience I generally use vo, which is control plus
option, with the arrow keys, space bar, and shift key. I use tab and
shift tab for some things. I use vo i and vo u a lot for the
owell
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Dave,
I can only speak for me personally, but first I believe some of
these tutorials or podcasts do make things seem complicated, but in
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Yeah, I fell into that trap ear
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Yeah, I fell into that trap early on with VO coming from Jaws. Now, when I
pick up my windows laptop, I have to remind myself where the tab key is and
not to grab the control and windows key with the arrows. It's very
diso
Yeah, I fell into that trap early on with VO coming from Jaws. Now, when I
pick up my windows laptop, I have to remind myself where the tab key is and not
to grab the control and windows key with the arrows. It's very disorienting
some times. LOL!
On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Anne Roberts
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Hello Dave,
You can set VO to interact automatically when you tab to a field where this
is appropriate, but tabbing isn't always the best w
Your post brings up an interesting point about the preview pain. I don't use
it as I use Zoom along with VO, and so I don't want to have to scroll or
navigate down to the message area. Preferring the message open on top, then I
just hit delete or reply or whatever. I forgot to tell Apple that
Hello Dave,
You can set VO to interact automatically when you tab to a field where this is
appropriate, but tabbing isn't always the best way to navigate with VO. Many
ex-JAWS users get themselves into a muddle by tabbing everywhere. As a very
very long-term Mac user, the tab key is the last th
VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically
regarding the change in the download window in Safari, this has in fact been
changed. I think a different ui control is being used to display the
information.
there is probably a way to get vo to automatically interract, but I'm not
sure I would want
regarding the change in the download window in Safari, this has in fact been
changed. I think a different ui control is being used to display the
information.
there is probably a way to get vo to automatically interract, but I'm not sure
I would want that behavior... gotta think o that.
Jo
Hi chris,
I am thankful that the preview pane does not just start reading the next
message automatically. I delete a lot without reading, so for me, starting the
reading of each new message would not be a desired behavior. different strokes,
I guess.
mary
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I do a VO J to jump to the message area. When I'm finished reading it, I hit
delete and it automatically puts me back in the message table.
On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> I use the preview area and when I tab to it, the message is read
> automatically.
> Teresa
> On Jun 1
Vo j does automatically read my mails here. I haven't found any issues on my
machine yet.
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Den Jun 16, 2010 kl. 4:36 PM skrev Laura M:
> Yeah, I can confirm this, too. I agree that it's far more
SI
in extreme cases.
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Yo
Yeah, I can confirm this, too. I agree that it's far more likely to be
a bug or an oversight, because it's not the only thing that needs
interaction now that didn't before. The downloads list in Safari won't
read the status anymore unless you interact. I can't see any reason
for changing that.
On
Hi,
It has nothing to do with the update. It's always been that way for me, even
back in Leopard when having it speak automatically by either using VO-A or just
letting it read.
Also, Alex does not breathe which I did report as well.
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Hello Chris. To answer your question, Yes, there is another way to turn in bug
reports other than by sending emails to Accessibility; however, doing so
requires that one be an Apple developer. I am one such developer.
Mark
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On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Chris Westbrook wro
Now that you mention it, Nicolai, I have noted somewhat of a difference in the
speech cadence of the synthesizer in this latest update that may be an
improvement I'll have to pay closer attention. Nice catch on your part. Well
done.
Mark
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On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:29 AM, N
Is there another way to send in a bug report other than writing to
accessibility?
On 6/16/10, M. Taylor wrote:
> Thank you for confirming this, Kevin. I was beginning to think it had all
> been in my imagination. I hardly think of this as a new feature, however;
> more like an oversight. As wr
Hello, Chris. I don't know what makes more sense; all I know is what I like. I
have never been a fanof the preview pane.
To me, it's all about choices. The days of "One Size Fits All" are (or should
be) long gone. (Smile)
Mark
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On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 AM, Chris Westbroo
Thank you for confirming this, Kevin. I was beginning to think it had all been
in my imagination. I hardly think of this as a new feature, however; more like
an oversight. As written in a previous message, later today, I will turn in a
bug report to the development team.
Mark
Sent from my i
You are quite correct, Mary. I do not use the preview pane. I prefer to have
each message open in its own window so I may easily reply to each individual
message in the thread. When done I simply press Command+W to close the window
or Command+Option+W to close all of the windows in the thread
HI,
My e-mails would read automatically, but I never wanted it to do that. SO I'm
just glad it saves me from hitting a key to shut it up.
As a side note, did anyone notice that pauses between punctuation like commas
and periods was more obvious and drawn out when reading automatically?
VO-J st
I'd be more likely to use hte preview pane if when deleting a message
it wouldn't take me back to the mesage list. Doesn't it make more
sense to keep you in the preview pane and load the next message into
it and start reading? Seems like this update is a hugestep backward.
On 6/16/10, Kevin Matt
My e-mails used to read automatically too. I guess this is a new feature.
Kev
On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Control option j takes you to the preview pane and the message is then read
> automatically. vo j back to the message list. But I thought Mark said he
> didn't use the
Control option j takes you to the preview pane and the message is then read
automatically. vo j back to the message list. But I thought Mark said he didn't
use the preview pane.
mary
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I wonder what the track pad commander equivalent would be to this?
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ben King wrote:
> Dear Mark,
> I press control option j and when I press this key combo Voiceover starts
> reading the message to me. I hope this helps.
> Blessings,
> Ben King
> On Jun 15, 2010
Dear Mark,
I press control option j and when I press this key combo Voiceover starts
reading the message to me. I hope this helps.
Blessings,
Ben King
On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:14 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just updated to 10.6.4. Why-o-why did I do this?
>
> Until this upda
I use the preview area and when I tab to it, the message is read automatically.
Teresa
On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
> I've never had VO read messages automatically, but I was automatically
> focused into the text area and then I could 2 finger flick down to read or
> VO+A. Not
I've never had VO read messages automatically, but I was automatically focused
into the text area and then I could 2 finger flick down to read or VO+A. Not
now. I have to navigate to text.
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:14 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just updated to 10.6.4. Why-o-
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