There is quicknav which works a treat. I think, for those of us that don't have a track pad, quick nav is nearly as awesome!
Friendly, Chris On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Dave Taylor wrote: > Wish you could lock the VO keys with an arrow based command, that would make > a lot of difference I think! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr. > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:38 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically > > hello; from my experience I generally use vo, which is control plus > option, with the arrow keys, space bar, and shift key. I use tab and > shift tab for some things. I use vo i and vo u a lot for the links > menu and items menu. and if you have the newer ones and are familiar > with using a mouse you can do a lot of things with the track pad > commander feature. good luck with your decision, max > On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Dave Taylor wrote: > >> Here is where I think one of the biggest issues is though. As a >> prospective >> Mac user, from the demos and manuals, there seem to be an awful lot of >> different and often complex keystrokes to do things. I'm not clear >> if one >> needs all of them or if people doing the demos are making things more >> complex than needed, or just not explaining why things are the way >> they are. >> In Windows we can work out which methods to try based on what kind >> of task >> we are doing. We know that you activate things with either enter or >> space, >> both single keystrokes. We know there are many ways to move around, >> but we >> know that we can find most things by exploring menus or tabbing. >> Most times, >> our screen readers know what we are most likely to want to do and >> give us >> the option of automating that task, often on a per application >> basis. They >> can also give us relatively simple keystrokes on a per application >> basis to >> do tasks specific to that application. >> >> It comes across that with a Mac you have at least three different >> way to >> select things and that only one of them will work in a given >> situation. It >> comes across that you have to navigate relatively complex screens with >> multi-finger keystrokes to do what you can often do with one single >> keystroke in Windows, specific questions in a separate message, and >> it comes >> across that there are a lot of situations when a Windows screen >> reader would >> automate something that you have to tell VO to do. >> >> Be assured, I raise these points not in opposition to converting, >> I'm here >> because I'm seriously thinking that when this computer goes, the >> next one >> will be a Mac, but for others thinking of converting, I hope the >> answers >> people give to these points will reassure them and hopefully be >> reflected in >> some sort of searchable tips and tricks kind of website. I very much >> want to >> know what's possible, not seem in opposition. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly thurman >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:31 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically >> >> Yeah, I fell into that trap early on with VO coming from Jaws. Now, >> when I >> pick up my windows laptop, I have to remind myself where the tab key >> is and >> not to grab the control and windows key with the arrows. It's very >> disorienting some times. LOL!!!!! >> On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello Dave, >>> >>> You can set VO to interact automatically when you tab to a field >>> where >> this is appropriate, but tabbing isn't always the best way to >> navigate with >> VO. Many ex-JAWS users get themselves into a muddle by tabbing >> everywhere. >> As a very very long-term Mac user, the tab key is the last thing I >> think >> about for navigation. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Dave Taylor wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Does tabbing around not make VO automatically interact? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> . >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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