Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-03-01 Thread April
> > > *From:* macvisi...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > macvisi...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *April > *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 8:29 AM > *To:* macvisi...@googlegroups.com > *Cc:* catherine...@googlemail.com > *Subject:* Re: An explanation of interaction

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-28 Thread Robert C
Thanks Tim. Next time I fire up the Mac I will see if I can understand the grid element. I may also run into Mac users during the enxt 2 weeks and if I do, I will sit with them and learn some things.. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep

RE: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-28 Thread Eileen Misrahi
: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: catherineturner2...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: An explanation of interaction required Hi Catherine Turner, I've used a lot of sites. All the blocktext of the Apple sites, I've listened to the random lists of commands hundreds of times, E

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-28 Thread April
Hi Catherine Turner, I've used a lot of sites. All the blocktext of the Apple sites, I've listened to the random lists of commands hundreds of times, Even the 30 or 40 page one from I think it was AppleVis. The closet to step by step instructions is Tech Ease. There examples for a few

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-28 Thread April
Thanks Tim Kilburn, There is a lot of good information on that site! I appreciate it. One of the sites I am trying to figure out to use in Safari, the main document is a list. Figured out that much. Now, to get it to read the text in the list, and not just the links in between each

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-28 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi April, I had a web-site years ago that outlined some VoiceOver and Macintosh basics. Maybe it could be helpful to you. It is no longer live or public but available from my Server. The caution here, though, is that it was designed back when 10.4 Tiger and 10.5 Leopard were out so there are

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-28 Thread Catherine Turner
Hi April, Apologies if you've already talked about this separately, I am rarely up-to-date with list mail. But what resources have you tried for learning Mac/Voiceover? I found the getting started guide (which is available both on the Mac and online) helpful. Also David Woodbridge's podcasts.

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, A Scroll area is an area within a web-page or other screen that is scrollable. Sort of like a smaller window within another that you are able to manipulate or ignore as you wish. A Table is just that, like a spreadsheet of rows and columns within a larger element. A Group is a collection

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread Robert C
John, Having used Windows for many years, some of the terms used on OS X do not quite click. Could you briefly explain the following? Just to get a better picture of the elements. Thanks. Scroll areas, Tables, Groups, and Grids. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Money isn't everything, but

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread John Panarese
Yes, this is a great explanation. It also allows you to see specific parts of an interface or screen. So, instead of being overwhelmed by everything all at once, the screen is segregated so that you can interact to view specific areas and, thus, limit confusion. Scroll areas, Tables, browse

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
Interacting is like zooming in on something. If you want greater detail, you move closer to the object and examine it. This is what interaction is. Teresa "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman On Feb 27, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Chris H wrote: > Can't expl

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread Chris H
Can't explain but I interact with toolbars, tables and lists as well as HTML content controls. Regards Chris On 27/02/2014 09:45, Lee Jones wrote: Dear List I wondered if some kind soul could explain the concept of interaction on the mac. On podcasts you get taught how to use it but not what

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread April
I think it's important to get the basics down first. Then, users can branch out and try shortcuts. After two months, my VoiceOver works less than it did on day one. I still have no idea how to use it to check mail, or on Safari. I kinda got it working on Calendar and Pages. At one point. W

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread April
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:45:32 AM UTC-5, Lee Jones wrote: > > Dear List I wondered if some kind soul could explain the concept of > interaction on the mac. On podcasts you get taught how to use it but not > what the underlying premise is behind it. What are the benefits of setting >

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread David Taylor
Hi, Well, the fact is, that there are quicker ways to do things. Rather than first going to the desktop, to get to a known place, then having to go to the apps folder, etc, from whereever you are, you can use Spotlight to open an app, and it's so easy to teach. From anywhere, command-space, typ

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread Catherine Turner
I echo the use of the tab key and Quick Nav. I use Quick Nav a lot of the time and find it very efficient. You just need to get to learn when it's appropriate/quick and when switching it off would serve you better. A small point I would dispute is David Woodbridge starting his podcasts at a cert

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread David Taylor
Hi, There are two things here. Firstly, you do not have to interact much of the time when people say you do, it's a case of learning the settings and the operating system just like in Windows. For instance, when I go into Mail, my VO is set to land me where the keyboard focus is so it lands me

Re: An explanation of interaction required

2014-02-27 Thread Catherine Turner
Hi, I'm only a year into using the Mac and still use Windows as well but here's my take on it. While it can be a bit time consuming and fiddly sometimes interacting with several layers I can see benefits to the approach as well. For example, in Windows you have several different keystrokes to ac