booksense

2009-07-15 Thread william lomas
Hi, If one plugs the booksense xt, the model with the 4 gig of internal flash into a mac via USB does it show up as a volume in the finder? Regards, WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread Jessi and Goldina
lol...how bad I am at it? now we can squeee over our macs lol On 15-Jul-09, at 10:13 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > Heheheheh, I'll just have to find other reasons to tease you. Hmm, > goalball could be a start. > > May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. > Am I ready to see some people there? >

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread May and Wynter
Heheheheh, maybe 28 hours. Have to play with all the diferent voices to ya know. May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. Am I ready to see some people there? - Original Message - From: patrickneazer To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:34 PM Su

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread May and Wynter
Hmm, knew there would be one I didn't see, lol. But that's ok, I liked the IMac and the Pro. The aire was cool too, nice and light, heheheeh but I'd rather have all my parts on one thing, smile. May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. Am I ready to see some people there? - Original Messag

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, iTunes itself got rid of DRM on all music with the iTunes Music store recently. As someone said, if people want it bad enough they will take it to the exstremes to get it. Regards, alex, On 15-Jul-09, at 8:52 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: > > hi this so the chafee amenent can be folled ple

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread May and Wynter
Heheheheh, I'll just have to find other reasons to tease you. Hmm, goalball could be a start. May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. Am I ready to see some people there? - Original Message - From: Jessi and Goldina To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Maurice Mines
hi this so the chafee amenent can be folled please don't misunderstand me we must keep it just for the print disabled or we will luse the exzpation ie if it isnot broken we shud not give the others gild enaymor amo to put up roodblokes to a good and a good degree. drm is the only that publ

Re: Apollo11 rebroadcast plugin question

2009-07-15 Thread kaare dehard
sent to you Dan, distribute freely but I can't post here...:) On 15-Jul-09, at 11:08 PM, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > Do you have the URL for the live 365 feed? > On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:12 PM, kaare dehard wrote: > >> >> okay, however if this does not work out for any of us, there is a >> live365 broad

Re: Apollo11 rebroadcast plugin question

2009-07-15 Thread Dan
Hello, Do you have the URL for the live 365 feed? On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:12 PM, kaare dehard wrote: > > okay, however if this does not work out for any of us, there is a > live365 broadcast of the entire air to ground including press coverage > and some stuff from the flight directors loop as well

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread Darcy Burnard
Hi. Adding the import component did allow me to open flac files in quicktime player. However, it did not allow me to open them in itunes? Is there another way to accomplish that? Darcy On 15-Jul-09, at 3:24 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > > The XiphQT only gives flac playback capability. I added

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread patrickneazer
Hello May, Wynter, and all: Yay. Glad you are walking toward the light (smile). It will take you 25 hours no doubt ... lol And if you are looking for revenue ... take mana ... lol OK, shhh that last comment does not belong in this thread (wink). You will convince them and they will be better o

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, I was aware that that would come up. Unfortunately, what I said worked in theory, though you are right that it did not work in practice. I still however think quite clearly before making any statement on this list. Regards, Alex, On 15-Jul-09, at 6:49 PM, louie wrote: > > What about

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread louie
What about the 3gp converter that you said that switch for the mac would do? On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > Loui: > > I take offence at this. > > I know that there was a strong roomer that unibodies did not have the > drivers included on the OS X retail disk. This

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread Mike Arrigo
You could always get the mac mini, it's the cheapest one, but they work great. On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:41 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > Ok everyone. I have made my decision. got to play the mac > computers today and I absolutely fel in love with them. Of course > when I actually get one it

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, Loui: I take offence at this. I know that there was a strong roomer that unibodies did not have the drivers included on the OS X retail disk. This may have changed, but the evidance was that the machines requireing new drivers came out after the disk. Regards, Alex, On 15-Jul-09, at

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Alex Jurgensen
Hi, I did not say aluminum, but rather Unibody. There may have been updates to the retail copies, but I know they didn't include the proper drivers at first. Regards, Alex, On 15-Jul-09, at 3:06 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Alex, what are you talking about? Of course you can use a retail d

Re: i Phone, therefore I am -- this week, on the Assistive Technology show

2009-07-15 Thread Alex Jurgensen
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Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Greg Kearney
Yes textbook require much more in the way of navigation such as page numbering. The NLS, which is mostly centered around recreational reading, as a rule does not support page number or in some cases even chapters. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of West

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Barry Hadder
Not to start beating this to death, but another very important point is what you use the material for. I've used the Daisy format for text books only. That is completely different that how you would listen to a novel which I believe would be a different experience for the user of the format. --

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread Jessi and Goldina
yay this is music to my ears! :D :D now you have no reason to tease me about being obsessed haha. On 15-Jul-09, at 12:41 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > Ok everyone. I have made my decision. got to play the mac > computers today and I absolutely fel in love with them. Of course > whe

Re: Apollo11 rebroadcast plugin question

2009-07-15 Thread kaare dehard
okay, however if this does not work out for any of us, there is a live365 broadcast of the entire air to ground including press coverage and some stuff from the flight directors loop as well spliced in If you google apollo 11 air to ground it should give you the link. I only mention this of

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Greg Kearney
Yes that is one of a number of things NLS has employed to limit the playback of their books. It will be interesting to see how they respond to our iPhone DAISY software. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Greg Kearney
Here is a very shor primer on making DAISY books. To start with many of the existing books are converted from tapes and have no more navigation than tapes themselves as few libraries have either the time of staff needed to insert the additional navigation that is possible. As I said, if mad

RE: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Jane Jordan (Gmail)
The trouble seems to be that the books have to be in some sort of encrypted format, and let's face it, iTunes is sort of encrypted, but even that can be, well gotten around. With DAISY, ye you can put them into iPod format, but it takes a lot of work--I think--to do. Could be wrong though. Anyh

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Brent Harding
The other thing NLS does is using the AMR codec. - Original Message - From: "Greg Kearney" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone? > > The Daisy standard is hardly a "bizarre format" and when made > correct

Apollo11 rebroadcast plugin question

2009-07-15 Thread Dan
Hello everyone, I really hate to ask this question on this list, but I suppose in a way, it's related to VoiceOver users. Tomorrow the audio of Apollo 11 will be rebroadcast in its entirety. I am sure that other Mac users would love to listen to this as well. Especially those who remember th

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Barry Hadder
Greg: I want to make clear that All of my comments were solely in regards to NLS and RFBD. I know nothing about what you do. I have never heard of the daisy format being playable on anything but a specialized player. If it can actually be played on an IPod, then that is a good thing but it'

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Greg Kearney
The Daisy standard is hardly a "bizarre format" and when made correctly the books are playable on existing iPods and other such devices. The issue here is not Daisy the issue is that NLS and to a lesser degree RFB&D have chosen to add digital rights management aka encryption to their books

enabling incoming A2DP bluetooth on Macbook

2009-07-15 Thread Brent Harding
Hi there. I am wondering how I can enable my Macbook to basically act as a bluetooth speaker for other devices? I want to play the audio from my cell phone and the new booksense I just got through it, but putting the Mac in discoverable mode and telling the booksense to connect to headset doesn'

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Ryan Mann
These are all good points about the NLS books. Maybe this feedback should be sent to NLS. Does anybody know if there is an email address or web form to give NLS feedback? I was really surprised when I found out that I wouldn't be able to listen to NLS digital books on a computer, atleast

Fwd: Reports say iPhone could be coming to British T-Mobile

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Howell
FOlks, since there has been discussion about the iPhone and T-Mobile, I thought I would share this article. Begin forwarded message: > Date: July 15, 2009 8:40:00 AM EDT > Subject: Reports say iPhone could be coming to British T-Mobile > Source: AppleInsider > > Multiple sources are reporting t

Fwd: How to make “the iPhone icons speak”

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Howell
Folks, here is an article from Apple I think you might find interesting and guess what, it came out of one of their "normal" media sources if you will. Begin forwarded message: > Date: July 15, 2009 2:59:27 PM EDT > Subject: How to make “the iPhone icons speak” > Source: Apple Hot News > > Wh

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Howell
And there ya go. Hit Apple with the idea and beat NLS about the head and shoulders until they start paying attention. THey will quickly find that folks really want to have this option and not be tied to one of their funky players or spend a crap-load of money on specialized hardware, when

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread James & Nash
Hi Scott, I probably will wait for SL, although I am going to geta new MBP because my old Mac is now completely dead. When I spoke to the people at the store about fixing my optical drive, they said it would be better to just buy a new machine Thanks James - Original Message - From:

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Howell
Alex, what are you talking about? Of course you can use a retail disk on a aluminum MB. I've used my retail Leopard disk on several machines since I have a five license user pack. On Jul 14, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Alex wrote: > > Hi, > > James: > > The MBP ships with its own disk. The retail copy

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Howell
One thing that would drive NLS to consider computer-based playback etc. is if consumers of the content put enough pressure. I have not looked at the law in quite a while, but to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in the law that would prevent them from allowing this. The simple tru

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread louie
Do not pay much attention to what Alex says he has a tendcey to shoot off his mouth before ingageing his brain. On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Alex, what are you talking about? Of course you can use a retail disk > on a aluminum MB. I've used my retail Leopard disk on sev

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Howell
James you might as well wait for SL. Do you have a MacBook that did not come with the disk? In other words did you purchase a machine used? On Jul 14, 2009, at 5:28 PM, James & Nash wrote: > > I see, thanks Alex. Can you still buy the retail copy or should I > just wait > until SL which I've

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Howell
Alex, that is completely rediculous. Show me a source that says those drivers don't exist. The difference in the retail copy and the copy you get with the machine is iLife for sure, but what drivers are you talking about. Consider what you are saying. If I purchase SL, then that means I ca

Re: playing FlAC files

2009-07-15 Thread Chris Blouch
Is there a link to the flac files someplace? Are you sure they are good? CB Mark Baxter wrote: > Indeed, I do have both components there, and I have restarted the > whole machine. No joy > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home

Re: playing FlAC files

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Baxter
Indeed, I do have both components there, and I have restarted the whole machine. No joy Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this mes

Re: plying FlAC files

2009-07-15 Thread Chris Blouch
You have both the importer and the xiph components in the QT folder and quit/restarted quicktime? CB Mark Baxter wrote: > Well, this is a step in a direction. After installing the importer > component in the !library/quicktime folder, Quicktime comes up and > claims the files are 0:00:00 l

plying FlAC files

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Baxter
Well, this is a step in a direction. After installing the importer component in the !library/quicktime folder, Quicktime comes up and claims the files are 0:00:00 long, thus won't play anything. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My ho

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Baxter
Thanks much; will investigate this when I get back from stuff. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subsc

Re: made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread Barry Hadder
Rock On! I made the plunge about two years ago and I've gotten to the point that I use my windows machine grudgingly. I'm just waiting patiently (or not) for it to die before I replace it with a Mac. On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:41 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > Ok everyone. I have made my decision

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Barry Hadder
Well, if I'm not mistaken you can play wma on the stream as well. You still can't play either of those formats on an IPod or ITunes. On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > Not any more. I heard they now have downloadable daisy, so we can > play on > the stream. > > - Orig

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread John Panarese
That did the trick. Many thanks for that tip and file download. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 15, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > > The XiphQT only gives flac playback capability. I added the > flac_import > component and was able to open and play a flac file. The importer >

made the decision

2009-07-15 Thread May and Wynter
Ok everyone. I have made my decision. got to play the mac computers today and I absolutely fel in love with them. Of course when I actually get one it will take more than the 24 hours I needed to learn my IPhone but I'm looking forward to the new adventure. I saw the macbook white, the macb

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Brent Harding
Not any more. I heard they now have downloadable daisy, so we can play on the stream. - Original Message - From: "Barry Hadder" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone? > > I personally think that the way N

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread Chris Blouch
The XiphQT only gives flac playback capability. I added the flac_import component and was able to open and play a flac file. The importer without XiphQT enabled QuickTime player to open a flac but I got silence when it played. So you need both pieces. I got the flac import component from here:

Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

2009-07-15 Thread Chris Blouch
Agreed. My hair splitting was just that from a user perspective I really could care less if the app is executing in the background or not. Sure there are a few exceptions where the lack of background execution is a problem but for everything else it just doesn't matter. It's not like I'm encodi

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Baxter
I second that; a restart did not make any difference in its behavior, nor did another flac file. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You receive

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Barry Hadder
I personally think that the way NLS and RFBD should have gone about the digital download thing is to have used either Audible or ITunes. That way books would have been compatible with at least most known platforms. I will say on RFBD's behalf that their downloadable audio format is as cl

Re: Mac Speech Dictate

2009-07-15 Thread Marshall Scott
The only way I've found is to have someone read it to me andd I talk into a headset. There have been major improvements in recofgnition and the process only takes a few mintues. I vaguely remember someone doing a podcast on the program and somehow he made the training text talk but I cou

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Dan
Hello, Here is a different prospective. If a person belongs to Book Share, for example, this is how it works. You have to be a paying member. When you download zipped book share files, you have to put in your login password to unpack the book. When you read the book, it has your name and watermar

Re: Mac Speech Dictate

2009-07-15 Thread william lomas
but how do we get past the initial training On 15 Jul 2009, at 19:05, James & Nash wrote: > > Thanks Marsh > - Original Message - > From: "Marshall Scott" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: Mac Speech Dictate > > >> >> I don't use it much but once you get pas

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Chris Blouch
Sounds like security by obscurity. The media folks don't want to hear that the audio version of their book is being distributed via the popular portable and unencumbered mp3 format which can be copied and used on nearly any device. They would rather hear that the file is in the obscure quijibo

Re: Mac Speech Dictate

2009-07-15 Thread James & Nash
Thanks Marsh - Original Message - From: "Marshall Scott" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Mac Speech Dictate > > I don't use it much but once you get past the training it seems to > recognize speech fairly well. > Marsh > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, James & N

Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

2009-07-15 Thread John Panarese
I think, too, that the one thing that is being lost in the picture is that the iPhone is just a phone. Yes, it certainly does much more than a phone, but I think that the extent and tasks that some are considering to be the proverbial, cons, comes from this very fact. We are not ta

Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

2009-07-15 Thread Josh de Lioncourt
Hey Cara and Scott, LOL Cara! Well, you are the first person I've known with multi- batteries, so I stand corrected on that. I still think it is far more an exception than a rule. LOL. Scott, yes, I like TOS way better than TNG. In fact, I'm a huge Trekkie, and TNG is my least liked of the v

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread John Panarese
Oddly enough, I still can't get this component to work at all. I'll mess some more with it when I can,. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Kieren wrote: > > On Jul 14, 11:19 pm, Mark Baxter wrote: >> I installed the component in the applications folder, but no luck;

Re: Mac Speech Dictate

2009-07-15 Thread Marshall Scott
I don't use it much but once you get past the training it seems to recognize speech fairly well. Marsh On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I am curious to know what the current state of play is for Mac Speech > Dictate and Voice Over. Does anyone know? > > Th

Re: NLS digital books and future versions of iTunes,iPod, iPhone?

2009-07-15 Thread Barry Hadder
That's definitely my vision of how things should be. However, all such blind services (i.e. NLS, RFBD) seem to be hell bent on producing material in some bizarre format completely incompatible with anything that the main stream world is using. I wonder just how much money actually goes i

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Baxter
Did that, still no joy. When no joy, get more coffee. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribe

Fwd: i Phone, therefore I am -- this week, on the Assistive Technology show

2009-07-15 Thread Steven M. Sawczyn
Begin forwarded message: With its built in universal access features, Apple's recently released iPhone 3GS is causing quite a stir throughout the blindness community. Regardless of how one might feel toward Apple or its iPhone product, the fact that this mainstream device can be purchased

Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

2009-07-15 Thread Scott Bresnahan
Hi, Josh, Phew, I think we agree too. [just don't say you like Trek:OS better than TNG although your earlier post about having an original communicator wallpaper is alarming]. But Yes your points make sense, but I'm seeing a little misinformation on both the radical PC right and radical MA

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread Kieren
On Jul 15, 6:06 am, John Panarese wrote: >      I am having the same problem.  I followed the instruction in the   > read.me documentation.  I have no idea what is going on. > > > I moved it there, but Quicktime says "this file isn't a movie," and > > Itunes remains stubbornly silent. > Teste

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread James & Nash
Thanks to everyone who has helped me with this. That clarifies things. Take care James - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Leopard Disc Hello James, On Jul 15, 2009, at

Re: Itunes won't play FLAC files?

2009-07-15 Thread Kieren
On Jul 14, 11:19 pm, Mark Baxter wrote: > I installed the component in the applications folder, but no luck; am   > I doing something wrong? from the read me in the dmg Installation To install simply copy the "XiphQT" component bundle into the Library/ Components folder in your home directory.

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello James, On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:29 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > But Snow Leopard is a complete OS yes and not an upgrade? > Yes, Snow Leopard is a complete OS Which will only work on Intel Macs. Anyone purchasing a new Mac from now on will be able to get Snow Leopard for the equivalent of $

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Kieren
Personally I would wait for SL if you can its only a couple of months and unless you NEED a leopard install right now I would say hold off. This is just my personal opinion and the current leopard is still AU $129 I think and the SL will be approximately AU$50. Leopard is a complete install

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread Kieren
Ok I think Clarification is needed here OS X did and I'm not sure if it still does come in 2 slightly different variants. 1. the retail variant which will install on any given machine as long as the minimum hardware spec is met. cant remember exactly but from memory its a dvd capable drive, a u

Re: Leopard Disc

2009-07-15 Thread James & Nash
I see thanks Alex. But Snow Leopard is a complete OS yes and not an upgrade? Thanks James - Original Message - From: "Alex Jurgensen" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:07 AM Subject: Re: Leopard Disc > > That was not a unibody. That is why. The MBP will ship with Leopard. > > Re

RE: Mae, iMac, Macbooks and other Apple computers.

2009-07-15 Thread Simon Fogarty
It's small / lite enough to fold and put in a pocket. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 11:11 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mae, iMac, Macbooks a