Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I was a little scared by the changes found in development/FORMAT, and
> > I'm starting to think that it would be easier to parse the generated
> > TeX directly.
> Definitely not. Proper TeX parsing is a nightmare.
That's surely true. But it (TeX) is a s
Andrea Censi wrote:
> Hello to all, and happy new year!
>
> For my own fun (something related to this:
> http://maruku.rubyforge.org/) I want to parse LyX files. I am only
> interested in basic stuff (paragraphs, lists, inline and block math)
Note that all math is directly stored as TeX. I would
On Tuesday 24 August 2004 02:49, Gerard Briscoe wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am looking to create a latex editor which works similarly to how
> dreamweaver works for HTML, where you can edit both the latex markup
> language and the output in a split pane window.
>
> I came across Lyx, and I am very cur
> I came across Lyx, and I am very curios to know why the 'lyx' file
> format is not 'tex'.
First of all, because LyX isn't meant to be bound to TeX in any special way.
It's a general, high-level editor that supports some constructs that are not
gracefully supported by the tex format, at least n
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Gerard Briscoe wrote:
> Are there serious problems with using a 'tex' file format, which you do
> export too, limitations which would make the LyX GUI hard to code ?
LyX has it's own format, because:
- besides LaTeX, LyX can also author SGML, XML, HTML, ASCII, and other
fo
Gerard Briscoe wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am looking to create a latex editor which works similarly to how
> dreamweaver works for HTML, where you can edit both the latex markup
> language and the output in a split pane window.
>
> I came across Lyx, and I am very curios to know why the 'lyx' file
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 18:55, Angus Leeming wrote:
...
Ok, I admire your coding style. And since this will be the best documented
function for lyx2lxy I filled the details. ;-)
The following patch should work. I tested it only with your example but it
should work.
--
José Abílio
LyX an
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| Andre> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:45:55PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
| >> Glad to hear you've made it home safely.
|
| Andre> me too
|
| Me too, actualy :)
aol
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Lgb
Jose' Matos wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:52, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> BTW André and Konni, you were excelent hosts. Congratulations, this
> meeting worked so well due to your effort. A big thanks from me.
oh well... me too!
We had a fantastic time. A real pitty it was so short for us
Jose' Matos wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:56, Angus Leeming wrote:
>> José, I want to change the LyX file format too! In this case, changing
>> from:
>>
>> \begin_inset LatexCommand
>> \bibtex[bibtotoc,
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 3:33 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> > "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
Angus> Of course, I want only to output 'style' and 'bibtotoc' entries
Angus> if they are not empty and
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andre> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:45:55PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
>> Glad to hear you've made it home safely.
Andre> me too
Me too, actualy :)
JMarc
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:52, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:45:55PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
> > Glad to hear you've made it home safely.
>
> me too
I was thinking to write some garbous writing, but since I don't have time as
I am fixing bugs I just left my "me too".
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:57:32PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 3:52 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:45:55PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
> > > Glad to hear you've made it home safely.
> >
> > me too
> >
> > Andre'
> >
> > PS: Remember to send me a
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 3:52 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:45:55PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
> > Glad to hear you've made it home safely.
>
> me too
>
> Andre'
>
> PS: Remember to send me a smelly T-shirt for the collection.
> I have already one from Asger and one from L
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:45:55PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
> Glad to hear you've made it home safely.
me too
Andre'
PS: Remember to send me a smelly T-shirt for the collection.
I have already one from Asger and one from Lars...
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 3:33 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Angus> Of course, I want only to output 'style' and 'bibtotoc' entries
> Angus> if they are not empty and true repectively.
>
> Why? style is required by bibtex anyway (do
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Of course, I want only to output 'style' and 'bibtotoc' entries
Angus> if they are not empty and true repectively.
Why? style is required by bibtex anyway (do we provide a default?) and
a bibtotoc set to false would not really bloa
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:56, Angus Leeming wrote:
> José, I want to change the LyX file format too! In this case, changing
> from:
>
> \begin_inset LatexCommand
> \bibtex[bibtotoc,
Hi
Sorry, I was wrong with my question.
I am looking for all the information related to the lyx "tags".
All the tags that lyx can handle.
Sorry for my last question and thanks again.
Boris
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:45:15 +0100
Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 06:44:57PM +0100, Bo
Amir Karger wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:29:07AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> >
> > > - LaTeX things LyX can't do: my favorite example is \section[foo]{bar},
> > > which is supposedly going to be supported someday.
> >
> > Even the old mathed read \sqrt[3]{x} so I guess it is possible
On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > - If done properly, a C++ LaTeX parser would be a nice contribution to
>
>
> That's the scary part of the implementation... I had a look at the TeXBook
> and I still don't really know how it should work...
In as far as reLyX is a
On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 11:34:44AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
[snip!]
>
> and follow an implicit DTD.
That was my point. Any text-based file format follows an implicit DTD.
> John Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> | We can do both design and DTD simultaneously. When we need a ne
On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:19:56AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > >The conversion is important. Perhaps the problem is that there aren't
> > >many developers which know perl well.
> >
> > Um, I do. I program perl & python for a living. Is there a bug /
> > feature request for reLyx anywhere?
> - If done properly, a C++ LaTeX parser would be a nice contribution to
That's the scary part of the implementation... I had a look at the TeXBook
and I still don't really know how it should work...
Andre'
--
André Pönitz . [EMA
On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> I wonder whether the situation would improve once we had (a) a decent
> document structure and (b) the reLyX code in C++.
>
> I think there are not many things in reLyX that cant' be done in C++ and
> - that's the point - there are more developers that
Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> why should I do a lyx->latex->lyx cycle?
>>
>> You need it if you work on a document with a coauthor which doesn't have LyX.
>
> this is the only reason??
It is the only reason for doing the cycle I can see. Having said that,
interoperability in gen
> be able to get rid of the reLyXmt{} in syntax.defaults. (Actually, you
> shouldn't get rid of it, since people might want to put their own personal
> commands in there that aren't supported by Mathed.
If people wants support for something that is not yet in mathed they should
tell me (in simple
> >The conversion is important. Perhaps the problem is that there aren't
> >many developers which know perl well.
>
> Um, I do. I program perl & python for a living. Is there a bug /
> feature request for reLyx anywhere? I could have a poke around and see
> what I can do.
You could try to fi
> What do you mean with semantical markup? Is it about the MathML content
> tags?
Yes.
> If so I agree that presentational markups are maybe enough.
Depends on intended usage...
Andre'
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On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 12:22:21AM +0200, ben wrote:
> John Weiss a écrit :
>
> > Once we do design an XML-based LyX format, I suggest we document the
> > format using XSL. There's no magic around XSL: it's just an XML
> > document that uses a format designed for defining other XML formats.
> >
On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:17:58AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> John Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> | Having recently done an XML seminar at work, I can offer the following
> | to the discussion:
[snip!]
> |
> | For "well-formed", think "lex". For "valid", think "yacc".
>
> A
On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 03:25:04PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:27:36PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
> >
> > I'd really like to see an XML format for 1.3 ... as it would make
> > things much easier to convert in the future ...
>
> Personally, I think it best to have lyx store
On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 09:21:51AM +1200, Michael Koziarski wrote:
>
> >The conversion is important.
> >Perhaps the problem is that there aren't many developers which know perl well.
>
> Um, I do. I program perl & python for a living. Is there a bug / feature
> request for reLyx anywhere? I
>The conversion is important.
>Perhaps the problem is that there aren't many developers which know perl well.
Um, I do. I program perl & python for a living. Is there a bug / feature
request for reLyx anywhere? I could have a poke around and see what I can
do.
Cheers
Koz
Andre Poenitz a écrit :
> > > - formula were not XML-ised at all (It looked a bit harder and
> > > somebody was reorganizing the code : is it over ?)
> >
> > About this, I know that Jose is in vacations, but does someone know if it is
> > planned to have math formulas translated to MathML when
Eran Tromer wrote:
>
> Herbert Voss wrote:
> >
> > Dekel Tsur wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:46:07PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > > > > | > | Since we are continuously adding new features to LyX, reLyX stays
>behind,
> > > > > | > | so a lyx->latex->lyx cycle can loose informati
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 06:17:00PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | The article.layout etc. files are for the environments/commands defined by the
> | standard .cls files, and they should not be changed by the user.
>
> But I want my own defined floats while still using the article.layout.
>
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 05:23:31PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | > | I guess that the question is whether we store information about the
> | > | appearance of the document in the document itself, or in an external file
> | > | ("layout file") ?
> | > | The former is better if you want to w
Herbert Voss wrote:
>
> Dekel Tsur wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:46:07PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > > > | > | Since we are continuously adding new features to LyX, reLyX stays behind,
> > > > | > | so a lyx->latex->lyx cycle can loose information.
> > >
> > > as I said: from a use
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 04:48:19PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> | Why not ?
> |
> | I guess that the question is whether we store information about the
> | appearance of the document in the document itself, or in an external file
> | ("layout file")
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 04:43:42PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote:
> > no patches there...
>
> If only reLyX was written in python...
Go ahead. Rewrite it in Algol if it will help. :-)
Most of my time on LyX is spent on the Literate support, various bug
fixes and the spec file right now.
I will prob
> > You need it if you work on a document with a coauthor which doesn't have LyX.
>
> this is the only reason??
That's a pretty good reason. I won't get food if this breaks...
Andre'
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Dekel Tsur wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:46:07PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > > | > | Since we are continuously adding new features to LyX, reLyX stays behind,
> > > | > | so a lyx->latex->lyx cycle can loose information.
> >
> > as I said: from a users sight lyx->latex is only importan
> to whom? it's obviously that la(tex)->lyx is a nice thing,
> but tell me the users who really(!) need this way of
> conversion.
Everybody co-operating with LyXless LaTeX users.
Andre'
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On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:46:07PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > | > | Since we are continuously adding new features to LyX, reLyX stays behind,
> > | > | so a lyx->latex->lyx cycle can loose information.
>
> as I said: from a users sight lyx->latex is only important
> to find critical errors o
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:18:25AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | BTW, why 2-4 should be stored in the lyx file ?
> | It is more reasonable to have them in the layout file.
>
> No, never in the layout file.
Why not ?
I guess that the question is whether we store information about the
app
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
>
> Dekel Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> | On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 02:30:12PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | > | The main problem we currently have is that reLyX is almost not
> | > | maintained.
> | >
> | > Then obviously the conversion from latex to lyx
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:01:22PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
>
> Ok, document specific words that the spellchecker should ignore?
> How will you store those in the latex document?
>
> %% LyX local words
> %% bla, lir, foo, var
>
> ??
>
> sure relyx can handle this, but I stil claim tha
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 02:30:12PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | The main problem we currently have is that reLyX is almost not
> | maintained.
>
> Then obviously the conversion from latex to lyx is not that
> important... at least not important for someone to step up and do the
> work.
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:24:18PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 06:46:55PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> >
> > We gain close to nothing by having the LyX format be latex.
>
> The main problem we currently have is that reLyX is almost not maintained.
> Since we are con
On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 06:46:55PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
>
> We gain close to nothing by having the LyX format be latex.
The main problem we currently have is that reLyX is almost not maintained.
Since we are continuously adding new features to LyX, reLyX stays behind,
so a lyx->late
> > We gain close to nothing by having the LyX format be latex.
>
> Let away the "close to" and I can agree with the above!
"close to" is fine. It's easier to convert LaTeX diehards with a file
format they know. But in general, both of you are right...
Andre'
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André Pönitz .
On 07-Aug-2001 Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> We gain close to nothing by having the LyX format be latex.
Let away the "close to" and I can agree with the above!
And this will be the last mail on this subject from my part I don't
go that path down again. People should studdy the mailing list arc
> > - formula were not XML-ised at all (It looked a bit harder and
> > somebody was reorganizing the code : is it over ?)
>
> About this, I know that Jose is in vacations, but does someone know if it is
> planned to have math formulas translated to MathML when a DocBook file is
> exported to SG
On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 06:19:00PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> | > Personally, I think it best to have lyx store its files as a valid latex files
> | > (using latex comments for storing some information).
> | > I know that this has been discus
Gaillard Pierre-Olivier a écrit :
> [...]
> - formula were not XML-ised at all (It looked a bit harder and
> somebody was reorganizing the code : is it over ?)
About this, I know that Jose is in vacations, but does someone know if it is
planned to have math formulas translated to MathML when a
John Weiss a écrit :
> Once we do design an XML-based LyX format, I suggest we document the
> format using XSL. There's no magic around XSL: it's just an XML
> document that uses a format designed for defining other XML formats.
> I'll even volunteer to work on it (I'd like to improve my XML sk
Dekel Tsur a écrit :
> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:27:36PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:05:32AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> >
> > > | that we should change format inside a "fix" release and x > 0 will be a
> > > | fix release where ONLY bugfixes should come in!
>
> Personally, I think it best to have lyx store its files as a valid latex files
> (using latex comments for storing some information).
> I know that this has been discussed before. What were the arguments against
> it ? (complexity of the parser?)
That's one.
The next one is that there are thin
On 07-Aug-2001 Dekel Tsur wrote:
> I know that this has been discussed before. What were the arguments against
> it ? (complexity of the parser?)
And not only one time. Please have a look at the mailing-list-archive.
Jürgen
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 04:16:30PM +0200, Edwin Leuven wrote:
> > So that XML parsers will handle it. (but I don't think we want to use
> > xml parsers (perhaps a sax parser))
>
> For what it's worth, the Qt doc states:
>
> The XML module provides a well-formed XML parser using the SAX2
> (Simpl
On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:27:53PM +0200, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, John Levon wrote:
>
> > > No, I don't think you understand what I mean by XML-like. Let's call
> > > it well-formed XML instead.
>
> I guess the point is that we don't want to a full-blown XML parser i
John Levon wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:27:53PM +0200, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
>
> > One problem with XML is that a full parser carries a pretty big
> > foot-print along with it, and it also introduces Yet Another
> > Dependency. Finally, no good free C++ XML parsers are really
On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 03:27:53PM +0200, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
> One problem with XML is that a full parser carries a pretty big
> foot-print along with it, and it also introduces Yet Another
> Dependency. Finally, no good free C++ XML parsers are really available
> at this point to my
On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, John Levon wrote:
> > No, I don't think you understand what I mean by XML-like. Let's call
> > it well-formed XML instead.
>
> I must admit I'm totally confused then ;)
>
> If it is XML, then it is well-formed XML and vice versa. So we are using
> an XML format (good that's
On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 02:50:13PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> No, I don't think you understand what I mean by XML-like. Let's call
> it well-formed XML instead.
I must admit I'm totally confused then ;)
If it is XML, then it is well-formed XML and vice versa. So we are using
an XML for
On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 02:13:40PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | What ha[p[enned to the XML patches ?
>
> mmm... I don't want XML... but only something XML-like.
why ?
having something XML-like adds none of the advantages of XML[1], and all the
disadvantages[2]
It's like having a coat
On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:05:32AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | that we should change format inside a "fix" release and x > 0 will be a
> | fix release where ONLY bugfixes should come in!
>
> We could have the simple compability code in the fix releases. But not
> the real format change
On 06-Aug-2001 Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> That will continue to happen until we have a format that makes sense.
> (note that for this change it is possible to make 1.2.x read the new
> format with just a couple of small tweeks:
> - ignore the begin_doc_parameters and end_doc_parameters
> - use
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
>
> I have a couple of things that I want to do early in the 1.3.x series.
>
> - add a \begin_doc_parameters ... \end_doc_parameters
> - add a \begin_paragraph ... \end_paragraph
> - add a \begin_par_parameters ... \end_par_parameters
so you want to change the file-fo
Juergen Vigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On 26-Mar-2001 Dekel Tsur wrote:
|
| > Why aren't we using a XML format like insettabular?
|
| I did ask myself the same a few days ago and let it go then (as we have
| a lot of other problems right now ;), but I would be for a change to an
| XML-like
On 26-Mar-2001 Dekel Tsur wrote:
> Why aren't we using a XML format like insettabular?
I did ask myself the same a few days ago and let it go then (as we have
a lot of other problems right now ;), but I would be for a change to an
XML-like syntax.
Jürgen
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:09:24AM +0200, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when testing the latest cvs version of LyX, I noticed that the file format has
> changed:
>
> < \begin_float tab
> ---
> > \begin_inset Float table
> > placement htbp
> > collapsed true
Why aren't we using a XM
> Question: Is it wise to use the latest cvs in daily work,
Not really.
> or is it possible that the file format will change in the future in a way
> that won't allow me to load my files anymore?
I doubt that somebody will try to break (again ;-|) the file format
intentionally but you do not s
Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Hi,
|
| when testing the latest cvs version of LyX, I noticed that the file format has
| changed:
|
| < \begin_float tab
| ---
| > \begin_inset Float table
| > placement htbp
| > collapsed true
|
| Question: Is it wise to use the latest c
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