Re: macros for commands

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:24:45AM +0200, Bernhard Roider wrote: hello all, the attached patch adds - the possibility to define macros in the bind file, like \define "my macro" "command-sequence inset-insert ert 1; char-backward; self-insert some important latex code; cha

Re: controllers

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:19:04PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: I am looking for a way to solve the "controller problem". [...] Hm, with all the fuss about insets and ranges, any comment on that? I think that what we call "controllers" are really just abstraction layers

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Edwin Leuven wrote: Uwe Stöhr wrote: - Why do the dialogs look fine on my system and not on yours? didn't look at it closely, but i think that you put a lot of stuff in hboxlayouts and then widgets won't always align nicely in a grid. to achieve this best to position the widgets and them put

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
John Levon wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:06:50AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: _Especially_ from the writing process viewpoint you should appreciate the ease with which you can undo things in the inset paradigm. Regret an applied emphasis? Put the cursor inside and dissolve. No need to caref

DEEP FREEZE of branch

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Please do not commit anything for the time being. I'm trying to set up the release. Thanks, Jürgen

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 07:15:39AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > Not if the chunk is larger than you'd might expect. > > You're tying yourself up in knots precisely because you won't do the > right thing: delete the character in front of the cursor. No. I usually want to delete entities when there

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 07:09:56AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 08:05:22AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > Well indeed. This makes me somewhat dubious that your experience is > > > relevant. I'm not anti-inset in any way where they make sense, and I > > > think the branch

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [SPAM] High-paid positions in a large successful company are waiting for talented candidates. (no signup fees)]

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
I am currently getting tons of spam like that to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] address. Is there some spam filtering set up? I don't really use this address so I guess I could sent those mails to the bitbucket as well if there is no filtering. Andre' - Forwarded message from johan ximenes <[EMAIL P

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
John Levon wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:28:25PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: Could you list the advantages of an exposed inset UI? 1) You know precisely where a typed character goes -- or where an already typed character belongs. Inside or outside any given inset. A special case of this i

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:52:41AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:22:01PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:09:11AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > > Almost! A text with many charstyles is now much easier to read. > > > > > > > > The only thin

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 08:12:28AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > The only thing I could ask for here, is to see the borders also when > > > > > the cursor is right in front of the inset, because the "delete" key > > > > > will delete the entire inset if used at that point. That is obvious

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 01:09:44AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:22:01PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > The only thing I could ask for here, is to see the borders also when > > > > the cursor is right in front of the inset, because the "delete" key > > > > will delet

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 08:05:22AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Well indeed. This makes me somewhat dubious that your experience is > > relevant. I'm not anti-inset in any way where they make sense, and I > > think the branches stuff is a great example. > > > > I'm somewhat bemused by your com

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > So why not directly stating that > an optional parameter is optional? I agree with Edwin here. We shouldn't do that. The fact that something can be selected or not indicates clearly enough that it's optional. Jürgen

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:54:28AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:16:50PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > Branches are not charstyles, of course. > > Well indeed. This makes me somewhat dubious that your experience is > relevant. I'm not anti-inset in any way where they

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin Vermeer wrote: > And distorting someone's words is no good guideline for fruitful debate, > IMHO. I'm not aware that I distorted it. Jürgen

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Edwin Leuven
Uwe Stöhr wrote: - Why do the dialogs look fine on my system and not on yours? didn't look at it closely, but i think that you put a lot of stuff in hboxlayouts and then widgets won't always align nicely in a grid. to achieve this best to position the widgets and them put them in a grid layou

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:37:05AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > If what Martin means is that *LyX* will have no ambiguity, e.g, when > > generating latex/XML, then I think that the disambiguation algorithm > > suggested in this thread > > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/9

Re: charstyles don't redraw properly?

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:07:41AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:56:25AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > > If I type into say a FirstName charstyle in docbook, the blue banner > > > beneath just over-writes itself. I think it might be because Author is > > > centered tex

Re: charstyles don't redraw properly?

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:56:25AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > If I type into say a FirstName charstyle in docbook, the blue banner > > beneath just over-writes itself. I think it might be because Author is > > centered text. It doesn't happen after a certain inset size. Anyone else? > > Tho

Re: Listings settings

2007-10-04 Thread Bo Peng
> Is this correct? Has 1.6svn been responsible for loss of data? Or would > it be safe enough to use on something important? I would not use any svn version for serious work, unless you really need some feature. As of this parameter-editor dialog, I think Edwin can simply transform the all_params

Re: charstyles don't redraw properly?

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 01:08:54AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > If I type into say a FirstName charstyle in docbook, the blue banner > beneath just over-writes itself. I think it might be because Author is > centered text. It doesn't happen after a certain inset size. Anyone else? Thought I fixed

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:22:01PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:09:11AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > Almost! A text with many charstyles is now much easier to read. > > > > > > The only thing I could ask for here, is to see the borders also when > > > the cursor i

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:44:48PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > Martin Vermeer wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:42:35AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > > > >>Richard Heck wrote: > >> > >>>Without meaning to prejudge the question whether CharStyles should be > >>>insets, here's my list of

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:49:47AM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > > > John Levon wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:28:25PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > Just to complement John's list of advantages for ranges, I'd also like > to explain why I think the items on Martin's list do not preclu

Re: Listings settings

2007-10-04 Thread Darren Freeman
On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 14:47 +0100, John Levon wrote: > I just came across this. Is there a bug filed on fixing this UI? > I'm a bit concerned that new UI isn't getting the review it deserves. I for one am afraid to try it because I am working only on one very important document, and I hear too man

Re: Slowness Progress

2007-10-04 Thread Darren Freeman
On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 12:47 -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > > Should be easy to solve. > Can you fix this, Abdel? Unfortunately, I do not have time now, as I'd > really, really nice if a fix could be included in 1.5.2. I have been > thinking I need to go back to using 1.4.5.1 myself, this gets so b

Re: charstyles don't redraw properly?

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:52:52PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > I don't think it was designed to do so. If it should, then that probably > isn't terribly hard. I do think it should... > >BTW, why do the styles appear as CharStyle:foo in the menu? > > > This is a consequence of some of Martin'

Re: charstyles don't redraw properly?

2007-10-04 Thread Richard Heck
John Levon wrote: Copy and paste doesn't seem to carry the style with it. I don't think it was designed to do so. If it should, then that probably isn't terribly hard. BTW, why do the styles appear as CharStyle:foo in the menu? This is a consequence of some of Martin's recent work, which

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Richard Heck
Dov Feldstern wrote: 3) No ambiguity about nesting order. I'm confused about the difference between 2 and 3. They sound like the same thing: an inset UI enforces, clearly, a hierarchical style tree. If what Martin means is that *LyX* will have no ambiguity, e.g, when generating latex/XML, then

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
John Levon wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:28:25PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: Just to complement John's list of advantages for ranges, I'd also like to explain why I think the items on Martin's list do not preclude the use of ranges: Could you list the advantages of an exposed inset UI?

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Hello Edwin, I was really talking bullshit yesterday. I need to test things out properly the next time before raising my voice. I was angry because nothing was working after I updated SVN. In the end your cleanup was absolutely correct and my further Ui-changes I had im my tree were pointing to

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:22:01PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > The only thing I could ask for here, is to see the borders also when > > > the cursor is right in front of the inset, because the "delete" key > > > will delete the entire inset if used at that point. That is obvious if > > > the

charstyles don't redraw properly?

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
If I type into say a FirstName charstyle in docbook, the blue banner beneath just over-writes itself. I think it might be because Author is centered text. It doesn't happen after a certain inset size. Anyone else? I can see a similar thing during selection too. Copy and paste doesn't seem to car

Re: [patch] support for Vietnamese

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
I put it in. When everybody encounters any problem with it, please shout. regards Uwe

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:06:50AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > _Especially_ from the writing process viewpoint you should appreciate > the ease with which you can undo things in the inset paradigm. Regret an > applied emphasis? Put the cursor inside and dissolve. No need to > carefully select t

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:16:50PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Branches are not charstyles, of course. Well indeed. This makes me somewhat dubious that your experience is relevant. I'm not anti-inset in any way where they make sense, and I think the branches stuff is a great example. I'm some

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:28:25PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > Could you list the advantages of an exposed inset UI? > > 1) You know precisely where a typed character goes -- or where an > already typed character belongs. Inside or outside any given inset. > A special case of this is for bla

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:42:09PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > > Why do we need to nest insets then ? :-P > > > > > > Actually I don't think we should (usually). In text, cases where we > > > want to nest (charstyle) insets ought to be rare, if we have defined > > > them as sensible semant

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:48:33PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > And for The Honoured Believers in Single Keystroke Navigation (formerly > known as The Finger Painting Faction) the multiple "pos 5, range *" > positions can be collapsed to a single one. A simple boolean preference, > maybe even tog

example for merging ControlFoo & GuiFooDialog

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
See attached. "only" 48 lines of our code saved (529 remaining) 40365 + 64275 - 78251 = 26389 lines of compiled code saved. Two intermediate layers (ControlRef and ControlCommand) gone. We have 50+ of such things, so a by a very crude approximation one should expect to be able to throw out 24

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
Andre Poenitz wrote: Here's an idea, for example: in the status bar, clearly display the "currently active" character attributes / styles. Or even better, this could be a very unintrusive check-list of the currently active attributes, allowing me to also uncheck any attributes that I want to t

Re: macros for commands

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:24:45AM +0200, Bernhard Roider wrote: > hello all, > > the attached patch adds > - the possibility to define macros in the bind file, like > > \define "my macro" "command-sequence inset-insert ert 1; char-backward; > self-insert some important latex code; char-forward"

macros for commands

2007-10-04 Thread Bernhard Roider
hello all, the attached patch adds - the possibility to define macros in the bind file, like \define "my macro" "command-sequence inset-insert ert 1; char-backward; self-insert some important latex code; char-forward" - the lfun "call" to execute that macro. this call can be used in key bindi

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Richard Heck
Helge Hafting wrote: The only thing I could ask for here, is to see the borders also when the cursor is right in front of the inset, because the "delete" key will delete the entire inset if used at that point. That is obvious if the frame is there, not so if it isn't. I'd prefer if it didn't do t

Re: modules/flex inset bugs, and a question

2007-10-04 Thread Richard Heck
Helge Hafting wrote: Second bug: I had this: #\DeclareLyXModule[multicol.sty]{Adds support for text in multiple columns}{Multicol} So I expected multicol.sty to load automatically, but no. I had to add that to "Preamble...EndPreamble" as well. What is the purpose of having [multicol.sty] in de

Re: controllers

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:19:04PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > I am looking for a way to solve the "controller problem". > [...] Hm, with all the fuss about insets and ranges, any comment on that? Andre'

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:09:23PM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > > > Andre Poenitz wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:23:25PM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > >>Andre Poenitz wrote: > >>>On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:39:05AM +0200, > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Andre', could you give an exampl

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:09:11AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > Almost! A text with many charstyles is now much easier to read. > > > > The only thing I could ask for here, is to see the borders also when > > the cursor is right in front of the inset, because the "delete" key > > will delete t

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> Yes, I think this is typically a good idea, the kind of idea we >> should encourage in LyX. Like the break-paragraph-skip lfun that >> adds a default skip before the paragraph when pressing enter on an >> empty layout (I am not sure it still works, though). It is a bit

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:44:48PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > Martin Vermeer wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:42:35AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > > > >>Richard Heck wrote: > >> > >>>Without meaning to prejudge the question whether CharStyles should be > >>>insets, here's my list of

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:23:25PM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:39:05AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre', could you give an example of a case where you'd like the cursor to stop in between character styles? Anytime I

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:57:27PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > >What do you mean by extra cursor press? If with the mouse no, I don't > >mean that. You will have to exit the inset by any means available: > >Ctrl-i, right-arrow, etc. > > I g

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:11:27PM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > Martin Vermeer wrote: > >On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 08:45:07PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > >>Do you really want to force users to > >>- dissolve everything, > > > >No, the user is doing this to himself. He made an _error_.

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: What do you mean by extra cursor press? If with the mouse no, I don't mean that. You will have to exit the inset by any means available: Ctrl-i, right-arrow, etc. I guess I belong to the crowd that does not want to have exit or enter insets. When

Re: RCC breaks compilation

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Incidentally, could you please have a look whether there is an rcc on > your system and how it is named? It is there, but not on my path. JMarc PS: thanks for removing installation of libraries.

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Please note that the '\' is kind of difficult to type on e.g. a Swedish keyboard, it requires 'AltGr-+'. Something that's frequently used sould by default be mapped to a key that works well on more than english keyboards. That was just an exmaple

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > C-b x C-i gives you a "monolithic" bold x that is traversed in a single > keystroke. Yes, but I always forget to do it :) JMarc

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Martin Vermeer wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:42:35AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: Richard Heck wrote: Without meaning to prejudge the question whether CharStyles should be insets, here's my list of things that ought to be done if they are going to stay that way. They are addressed s

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:23:25PM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > Andre Poenitz wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:39:05AM +0200, > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Andre', could you give an example of a case where you'd like the cursor > >>to stop in between character styles? > > > >Anytime I want

Re: Handling overlapping ranges with character attributes

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:17:32PM +0100, José Matos wrote: > On Thursday 04 October 2007 21:05:58 Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Well... then what about > > > >       emph...strong..     > > emph.strong...   > > > > This is 1:1 translatable to the structure above _and_ is more robust > >

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: Insets are straightforward to implement. Font ranges are not. I recently had a look at our coding rules. "KISS" was and still is the first item... Yes, but it should not dictqte the UI (am I repeating myself?) B

Re: fixed PDF-options Was: Changeset 20707

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Pavel Sanda wrote: I have problem with this one: if (title.empty() && author.empty()) opt += "pdfusetitle,\n "; IMHO we shouldnt do this unless user decides so.

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:11:53PM +0100, José Matos wrote: > On Thursday 04 October 2007 20:48:33 Andre Poenitz wrote: > > And for The Honoured Believers in Single Keystroke Navigation (formerly > > known as The Finger Painting Faction) the multiple "pos 5, range *" > > positions can be collapsed

Re: Handling overlapping ranges with character attributes

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:55:58PM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: [...] Rather we'd need to store that as something like ... ... emph ... ... strong Hmm, yes, this does describe the structure that I'm thi

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:39:05AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre', could you give an example of a case where you'd like the cursor to stop in between character styles? Anytime I want to start typing in one but not the other. BTW, it's not exactly "one and not th

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 05:23:53PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:46:45PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > Not very convincing, is it? Most people learn from experience. What > > would happen here is that they would quickly pick up that -- no, this > > stuff does not behav

Re: Handling overlapping ranges with character attributes

2007-10-04 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 04 October 2007 21:05:58 Andre Poenitz wrote: > Well... then what about > >   >     emph...strong.. >     emph.strong... >   > > This is 1:1 translatable to the structure above _and_ is more robust under > manual editing. I find your exchange highly amusing because some

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
Martin Vermeer wrote: On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 08:45:07PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Do you really want to force users to - dissolve everything, No, the user is doing this to himself. He made an _error_. The canonical way to correct an error is to 1) undo it, 2) do it again, this tim

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 04 October 2007 20:48:33 Andre Poenitz wrote: > And for The Honoured Believers in Single Keystroke Navigation (formerly > known as The Finger Painting Faction) the multiple "pos 5, range *" > positions can be collapsed to a single one. A simple boolean preference, > maybe even togglable

modules/flex inset bugs, and a question

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
I tried making a custom inset, and found that if I don't specify "Font . . . EndFont", then LyX crashes as soon as I try "Insert->Custom Insets->my inset" I didn't want to specify a font, I though LyX could use whatever font that was in effect at the moment. Some cases don't need to set a font, t

Re: Handling overlapping ranges with character attributes

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:55:58PM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > > [...] > >Rather we'd need to store that as something like > > > > > > > > > > ... > > ... > > emph > > > > > > ... > > ... > > strong > > > > > > > > Hmm, yes, t

Re: Handling overlapping ranges with character attributes

2007-10-04 Thread Dov Feldstern
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 02:10:09PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: We define an "attribute precedence" order. Then, we use the following rules (to be applied when moving from the GUI to non-overlapping markup) to make sure that at any given position, the highest-precedenc

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:43:44PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 07:15:18PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:52:48PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:20:43AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > > Abdelrazak Younes

controllers

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
I am looking for a way to solve the "controller problem". Actually I really would like to solve that based on gut feelings but as this is an academical audience I thought we might as well have on of those mock-up arguments we all enjoy. So: The "controller problem" as defined by me is "having t

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > No, hence my idea of one word per inset. The fact that there is more > than one inset will only be visible if the cursor is in or if you > hover the mouse over it. What are your criteria for something being a "word"?

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Edwin Leuven schrieb: the behavior of the dialog hasn't changed. the overhang and linespan are still optional. if they are not checked they are not passed on. i didn't touch this part of the code. if you think that changing a label (ie removing the "optional") changes the behavior of the dialo

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 07:15:18PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:52:48PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:20:43AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Within text the syndrome won

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 05:27:42PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:52:48PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > > Why do we need to nest insets then ? :-P > > > > Actually I don't think we should (usually). In text, cases where we > > want to nest (charstyle) insets ought to b

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: What are your criteria for something being a "word"? I.e., does your approach handle cases like: "\noun[Peter}'s patch \command{\define}s some new \program{LyX}-friendly \command{environtment}s in a \noun{Knuth}ian way"

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 05:03:54PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > >Perhaps Andre doesn't suffer fools gladly, in which case I sympathise. > >Not implying that you're one of those fools, but the refusal by so many > >on this list to accept a UI par

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:23:09AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: ... > Having several cursor positions in front of a word will be > both confusing and cumbersome to move through. It may not > be a problem if it happens rarely, but can we be sure of that? > If charstyles becomes useful & popular, t

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:00:36PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > Most people learn from experience. > > "People will get used to it" is not a very good guideline for user interface > design, and a bad excuse for a specific ui implementation, IMHO. > > Jürgen A

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 05:23:53PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:46:45PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > Not very convincing, is it? Most people learn from experience. What > > would happen here is that they would quickly pick up that -- no, this > > stuff does not behav

Trying to build LyX on fresh installation of Ubuntu

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
I'm trying to build LyX on a machine with a fresh installation of Ubuntu (something I've never done before). So far I've done: $ mkdir -p ~/lyx; cd ~/lyx; $ svn co svn+ssh://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/trunk lyx-devel $ cd ~/lyx/lyx-devel; ./autogen.sh LyX requires automake >= 1.5 $ sud

Add me to the mailing list!

2007-10-04 Thread Eric des Courtis
Hello fellow developers, Please add me to the lyx development mailing list. Thank you! Eric des Courtis

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:42:35AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > Richard Heck wrote: > > > >Without meaning to prejudge the question whether CharStyles should be > >insets, here's my list of things that ought to be done if they are > >going to stay that way. They are addressed specifically to wha

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin Vermeer wrote: > Actually I don't think we should (usually). In text, cases where we > want to nest (charstyle) insets ought to be rare, if we have defined > them as sensible semantic units. Over-use of nesting is a sign that > we maybe haven't. Why? Some elements might need to be attribut

Re: RCC breaks compilation

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:54:43PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 02:28:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > > make[6]: Entering directory `/local/lasgoutt/devbuild/src/frontends/qt4' > > echo "" > Resources.qrc > > find ../../../../lyx-devel/lib/images -name '*.png

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:52:48PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:20:43AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Within text the syndrome won't be as evident because you > > > generally only have one depth and not

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Edwin Leuven
Uwe Stöhr wrote: No, this is not the way it works! I implemented that we now use the wrapfig-package for wrap floats. We can therefore provide two new parameters. These are optional and after a discussion on the list (see the one about my Box-patch some days ago) and in bug 3242 I implemented t

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Helge Hafting wrote: I find mathed usable, and it uses fonts-as-insets. I too find mathed very useable. But it edits math, not text. I think text have different needs than math. I agree. Maybe one difference is that when writing text, I'm ok with not getting it perfect

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin Vermeer wrote: > Most people learn from experience. "People will get used to it" is not a very good guideline for user interface design, and a bad excuse for a specific ui implementation, IMHO. Jürgen

Re: equation editing

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:40:55AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > I find equation entry on lyx rather nice (being a long-time latex user), but > editing leaves something to be desired. I find it almost impossible to > mark, cut and paste parts of equations. Almost every time I try, I wind up > selec

Re: RCC breaks compilation

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 02:28:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > make[6]: Entering directory `/local/lasgoutt/devbuild/src/frontends/qt4' > echo "" > Resources.qrc > find ../../../../lyx-devel/lib/images -name '*.png' \ > | sed -e 's:../../../../lyx-devel/lib/\(.*\):&:' \ > >> Res

Re: Use cases for charstyles (Was: *not* everything is an inset!)

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
I've asked Steve and received a reply off-list, so I've asked him to post it here. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:23:09AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > Having at least two styles beginning at the same point will > happen, with 3 cursor positions in front of a word. If you > click there and want to delete the previous word, will > you remove styles as well? Or if you want to remove st

Re: Use cases for charstyles (Was: *not* everything is an inset!) (fwd)

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:31:57 -0400 From: Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Use cases for charstyles (Was: *not* everything is an inset!) On Wednesday 03 October 2007 18:20, you wrote: Hi Steve, There's a discussion going

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
> The unicode character is #309 but the one in the wiki and also in the UserGuide is #770. So a > simple correction should solve the problem. I don't get a crash here anyway when selecting the > small black square used to represent #770. When you found a solution, could you please fix this in t

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:52:48PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > Why do we need to nest insets then ? :-P > > Actually I don't think we should (usually). In text, cases where we > want to nest (charstyle) insets ought to be rare, if we have defined > them as sensible semantic units. Over-use o

  1   2   >