Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-04 Thread Jan Bongaerts
Some countries (like ours, Belgium) are only as big as some of the cities mentioned here. I see no reason why they should not form their own group. And what their interaction is (or lack thereof) with the country team, should be up to those teams entirely. Just like there is no obligation why a sm

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
On Apr 3, 2013 9:00 AM, "Martin Owens" wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-04-02 at 22:41 -0700, Jono Bacon wrote: > > and I worry at times that our requirements around approval or > > meeting a certain criteria can stand in the way of teams being active. > > It's higher than it needs to be for certain resour

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Bhavani Shankar R
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Randall Ross wrote: > Hi Sergio, council, and team contacts, > > The response ended on this list (loco-contacts) by accident, an > unfortunate circumstance of my allowing Thunderbird to auto-complete an > address beginning with loco- and then pressing send without l

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Randall Ross
Hi Sergio, council, and team contacts, The response ended on this list (loco-contacts) by accident, an unfortunate circumstance of my allowing Thunderbird to auto-complete an address beginning with loco- and then pressing send without looking carefully. The response was meant to go to the moderate

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Sergio Meneses
Hi everybody! I see a lot of opinions and different points of view, this is always a good thing! but as Pablo Rubianes said the LoCo Council must work on this, with the help of this commentaries and of course with Ubuntu-RU leaders We (LoCo Council) are working on this, in our last meeting with U

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Michael Hall
On 04/03/2013 01:41 AM, Jono Bacon wrote: > Hi All, > ... > I think if we have a team in Moscow that is being active, we > should let them post their blog posts to loco.ubuntu.com > - why would we not want to expose their Ubuntu > contributions to the wider LoCo community?

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Darcy Casselman
A LoCo team, as it's currently defined, is simultaneously two largely-separate things at the same time: 1) A set of online resources: mailing list, IRC channel, forum, web page, wiki page, etc., and 2) A group of people in a city who do things. Or, if you're very luck, separate groups of people in

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Pablo Rubianes
As I see all this I think this: as I see it is better to have groups per city as having "Real" meetings is much better than IRC/mail and even Hangout as (not everyone in the world have propper internet access) but having this huge amount of new teams will mean that we will need much more resources

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-03 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2013-04-02 at 22:41 -0700, Jono Bacon wrote: > and I worry at times that our requirements around approval or > meeting a certain criteria can stand in the way of teams being active. It's higher than it needs to be for certain resources. > If we reject them because they don't fit our crite

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Jono Bacon
Hi All, My take on this has changed a little. I think right now our primary focus should be encouraging and inspiring teams to actively participate in Ubuntu, and I worry at times that our requirements around approval or meeting a certain criteria can stand in the way of teams being active. If we

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Randall Ross
On 13-04-02 02:03 PM, Jared Norris wrote: > > On 3 April 2013 05:05, Randall Ross > wrote: > > On 13-04-02 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Dmitry Agafonov > > mailto:agafonovdmi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> I'm not

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Jared Norris
On 3 April 2013 05:05, Randall Ross wrote: > On 13-04-02 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Dmitry Agafonov > > wrote: > >> I'm not giving my pros or contras in this particular question, but > please > >> note, that Moscow and St.Petersburg are separate admi

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Randall Ross wrote: > On 13-04-02 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Dmitry Agafonov >> wrote: >>> I'm not giving my pros or contras in this particular question, but please >>> note, that Moscow and St.Petersburg are separate a

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Randall Ross
On 13-04-02 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Dmitry Agafonov > wrote: >> I'm not giving my pros or contras in this particular question, but please >> note, that Moscow and St.Petersburg are separate administrative areas of the >> Russian Federation (somewhat s

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Laura Czajkowski
On 02/04/13 19:57, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Randall Ross wrote: >> Thanks for clarifying, but the reverse is also true. Rejection of city >> teams potentially handicaps cities and larg(er) towns. The reason these >> highly localized teams exist is that they are

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Randall Ross wrote: > Thanks for clarifying, but the reverse is also true. Rejection of city > teams potentially handicaps cities and larg(er) towns. The reason these > highly localized teams exist is that they are serving a need that is not > met by the current "o

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Dmitry Agafonov wrote: > I'm not giving my pros or contras in this particular question, but please > note, that Moscow and St.Petersburg are separate administrative areas of the > Russian Federation (somewhat similar to states in USA or, better, to DC) and > not or

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Randall Ross
On 13-04-02 11:40 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Randall Ross wrote: >> Placement >> on loco.ubuntu.com is a means to get a team visibility that they can't get >> otherwise > As part of the Russian team, they get this visibility. Plus the rest > of the Russian tea

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Dmitry Agafonov
Hi. I'm not giving my pros or contras in this particular question, but please note, that Moscow and St.Petersburg are separate administrative areas of the Russian Federation (somewhat similar to states in USA or, better, to DC) and not ordinary cities. So, I'm seeing http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/u

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Randall Ross wrote: > Placement > on loco.ubuntu.com is a means to get a team visibility that they can't get > otherwise As part of the Russian team, they get this visibility. Plus the rest of the Russian team can see their work, events, projects. It's quite inspi

Re: Ubuntu Moscow LoCo

2013-04-02 Thread Randall Ross
Laura, I respectfully disagree. And, I am particularly troubled by your tone, which feels condescending and combatative. Not at all what I'd expect from a leader in Ubuntu in response to a simple administrative request. Placement on loco.ubuntu.com is a means to get a team visibility that they can