Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:09:53PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > My impression is that we have more people doing bug fixes now > than a couple of years ago (at that time it was primarily > Han-Wen and Jan), but that the number of fixed bugs per week > and bug fixer is lower. Oh, definitely -- b

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-12 Thread Mats Bengtsson
My impression is that we have more people doing bug fixes now than a couple of years ago (at that time it was primarily Han-Wen and Jan), but that the number of fixed bugs per week and bug fixer is lower. On the other hand, the number of newly introduced bugs (not to be confused with the number

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-12 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/12/12 Eyolf Østrem : > I don't know about the devs -- you're probably right that to them, new > features are more interesting -- but THIS user sticks with LilyPond because > the > output is superb. As it is, LP deals with 99% of the western music notation > canon, and to me, the perfectioning

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 11.12.2008 (22:00), Valentin Villenave wrote: > Both sides are equally important, because it's the feature count that > makes users *and devs* stick with Lily. I don't know about the devs -- you're probably right that to them, new features are more interesting -- but THIS user sticks with LilyP

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/12/11 Graham Percival : > New features are way sexier than bug fixes. Yes. And you know I like people to be happy :) > Earth to Valentin: there's approximately half a dozen people in > the world for whom it's remotely economically feasible to work on > bounties, and they're perfectly capabl

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:00:41PM +0100, Valentin Villenave wrote: > Both sides are equally important, because it's the feature count that > makes users *and devs* stick with Lily. New features are way sexier than bug fixes. > > Once somebody has been doing small bugfixes for a few weeks, > > th

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/12/11 Graham Percival : > No, I'm not "missing" it. Adding support for accordions or > rewriting the slur code to avoid collisions between phrasing and > normal slurs will take hours and hours, even for experienced > developers. Fixing a "programming error" warning when the > lilypond outpu

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Valentin Villenave wrote: You're missing one thing IMHO: feature requests (and, possibly bounties). We have quite a few of these, and this requires super-skilled and super-dedicated frogs, possibly working as a team (like the awesome work that has been done recently on harp pedals). As for boun

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:41:55PM +0100, Valentin Villenave wrote: > 2008/12/11 Graham Percival : > > The idea behind Frogs is simple: each person will fix an average > > of one bug per week. You can either fix an existing bug, or > > You're missing one thing IMHO: feature requests (and, possibl

Re: GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/12/11 Graham Percival : > LilyPond Frogs > > No, this isn't my new name for the French translation team. :) Oh, I thought it was. > The idea behind Frogs is simple: each person will fix an average > of one bug per week. You can either fix an existing bug, or > report a new bug and fix it.

GOP pre-planning: Frog bugfixing

2008-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
LilyPond Frogs No, this isn't my new name for the French translation team. :) "Frogs" will be a team of bug-fixers (because frogs eat bugs, and you often find them in Ponds of Lilies). We've gotten relatively good about new bug reports -- maybe 1/3 of new reports result in a patch within a week