Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:45:10AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> c4;7 does not really look anything like a chord. Neither does c4:7, to >> be honest. So at best slightly worse. > > Trying to channel Han-Wen here, I think the discussion is going in > the wrong directio

Re: Fix #915 (faulty full-bar rest positioning with clef). (issue931041)

2010-04-28 Thread pnorcks
On 2010/04/19 21:13:14, Neil Puttock wrote: On 2010/04/19 19:37:12, Carl wrote: > Should the name of this property be something like ignore-prefatory-material? Actually, I've had a thought: instead of using booleans, it would probably make more sense (and allow finer control) to use a pai

Re: Fix #915 (faulty full-bar rest positioning with clef). (issue931041)

2010-04-28 Thread pnorcks
LGTM. Thanks, Patrick http://codereview.appspot.com/931041/show ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: [PATCH] Fix #943

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
LGTM. Carl On 4/28/10 9:04 PM, "Patrick McCarty" wrote: > Hello, > > I've posted a patch to fix issue 943 from the tracker: > > http://codereview.appspot.com/956051/show > > I just finished a `make check', and everything seems to be okay. > > Please review. > > Thanks, > Patrick > > >

[PATCH] Fix #943

2010-04-28 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hello, I've posted a patch to fix issue 943 from the tracker: http://codereview.appspot.com/956051/show I just finished a `make check', and everything seems to be okay. Please review. Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@g

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > > > Hi, from a user perspective, chordmode is unnecessary and restricted. > You can't combine different voices (in particular for adding bass > notes), you can't write chords and bass notes together, You can do this: \context Voice { << \chordmode {c}

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Jay Anderson
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Xavier Scheuer wrote: > Current syntax (using colons): > >  c4:16 d4: e: f: | >  g: a: b: c: |  % etc. > > with \repeat tremolo: > >  \repeat tremolo 4 c16 \repeat tremolo 4 d16 >    \repeat tremolo 4 e16 \repeat tremolo 4 f16 | >  \repeat tremolo 4 g16 \repeat tre

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:45:10AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > c4;7 does not really look anything like a chord. Neither does c4:7, to > be honest. So at best slightly worse. Trying to channel Han-Wen here, I think the discussion is going in the wrong direction. It started off with a few negat

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 07:15:23PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > When we deal with open-source volunteer > > projects while we have that much stress in our lives, we all get > > short-tempered. I'm certain that you can think of examples from my > > own emails. > >

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 08:31:11AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Graham et al, > > From the "header" comments in IR: -snip lots of good data- And have you decided whether this should just go in the @knownissues on that page, or should it be a separate section? James, once we have an ans

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > On 4/28/10 3:41 PM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > >> My current approach is "what would look best for both tremolo and >> chords" since the conflict has to be resolved in some manner or >> other. If there is a particular good combination that is downwards >> compatible, so mu

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 4:21 PM, "Xavier Scheuer" wrote: > 2010/4/28 Carl Sorensen : > >> Does LilyPond use ;?  I can't find a use for it in the index, and I >> can't think of one. > > '?' is used for cautionary accidentals. > I'm not a dev but I think ';' is used to express comments in Scheme > (not in

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/4/28 Carl Sorensen : > Does LilyPond use ;?  I can't find a use for it in the index, and I > can't think of one. '?' is used for cautionary accidentals. I'm not a dev but I think ';' is used to express comments in Scheme (not in LilyPond however). Not so easy... -- Xavier Scheuer __

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 3:41 PM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Xavier Scheuer writes: > >> 2010/4/28 David Kastrup : >> >>> Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement.  I'd have >>> expected "don't change current tremolo syntax". �...@8 has some >>> mnemonic value ("play a quarter at eighths", oops

Re: PATCH: Eliminate PDF deletion in Windows

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/27/10 10:49 PM, "Nathan Reed" wrote: > Lilypond would attempt to delete the output PDF before overwriting it in > Windows > (but no other platforms). This is unnecessary and causes problems with > certain > PDF viewers, e.g. Sumatra, where the PDF is kept open in a way that allows > over

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Neil Puttock writes: > On 28 April 2010 20:48, David Kastrup wrote: >> Kieren MacMillan writes: > >>> So I think we can come up with something that is both typographically >>> simple and mnemonically compelling… How about c4t8 ("a c quarter note, >>> tremolo-d in eighths"). >> >> I don't consid

Re: Doc: Reorganize music functions material. (issue970044)

2010-04-28 Thread n . puttock
http://codereview.appspot.com/970044/diff/1/3 File Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/970044/diff/1/3#newcode3641 Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:3641: @ref{Music function type predicates}. There's a danger here that users might t

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Xavier Scheuer writes: > 2010/4/28 David Kastrup : > >> Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement.  I'd have >> expected "don't change current tremolo syntax". �...@8 has some >> mnemonic value ("play a quarter at eighths", oops sounds like a time). >> But I don't like its look.  Would

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/4/28 David Kastrup : > Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement.  I'd have > expected "don't change current tremolo syntax". �...@8 has some > mnemonic value ("play a quarter at eighths", oops sounds like a time). > But I don't like its look.  Would you consider c4/8 an adequate s

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 20:48, David Kastrup wrote: > Kieren MacMillan writes: >> So I think we can come up with something that is both typographically >> simple and mnemonically compelling… How about c4t8 ("a c quarter note, >> tremolo-d in eighths"). > > I don't consider that particularly pretty.  On

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer writes: > Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 20:15:00 schrieb David Kastrup: >> But I don't like its look. Would you consider c4/8 an adequate syntax? > > Unfortunately, it's already in use. How would you distinguish the two > currently possible syntaxes: > > c2*3/8 > c2*3:8 Th

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement. I'd have expected >> "don't change current tremolo syntax". c...@8 has some mnemonic value >> ("play a quarter at eighths", oops sounds like a time). But I don't >> like its look. Would you conside

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 20:15:00 schrieb David Kastrup: > But I don't like its look. Would you consider c4/8 an adequate syntax? Unfortunately, it's already in use. How would you distinguish the two currently possible syntaxes: c2*3/8 c2*3:8 Cheers, Reinhold -- ---

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, > Actually, I find that a rather encouraging statement. I'd have expected > "don't change current tremolo syntax". c...@8 has some mnemonic value > ("play a quarter at eighths", oops sounds like a time). But I don't > like its look. Would you consider c4/8 an adequate syntax? c4/8 c

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > 1. I also disagree with David's statement/opinion that "chords are > much more common than tremolos". This is certainly true in the pop > (e.g., music theatre) scores I compose/arrange/engrave, but absolutely > false in the classical scores I compose/arrange/engrave. Si

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > This is what I was assuming when I wrote my initial response. It > seemed like "a good idea for somebody to do", not an offer of somebody > wanting to make the change. > > Now, I was wrong in jumping to that assumption and responding > accordingly. But it appears that my

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 11:15 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > >> In Carl's defense, he's horribly busy with end-of-term teaching (which >> always penalizes one's real work, namely research) and then has a >> conference to deal with. When we deal with open-source volunteer >> projects

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, 1. I also disagree with David's statement/opinion that "chords are much more common than tremolos". This is certainly true in the pop (e.g., music theatre) scores I compose/arrange/engrave, but absolutely false in the classical scores I compose/arrange/engrave. Since I do roughly equal

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/4/28 David Kastrup : >> \notemode { c4:8 } -> two quaver stem tremolo > > Ugh.  Did not remember that. > > Anyway, here is how I would do this: Chords are much more common than > tremolos, so changing notation for the latter seems like the better > choice.  There is already verbose syntax usi

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > In Carl's defense, he's horribly busy with end-of-term teaching (which > always penalizes one's real work, namely research) and then has a > conference to deal with. When we deal with open-source volunteer > projects while we have that much stress in our lives, we all g

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer writes: > Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 18:02:56 schrieb David Kastrup: >> Anyway, here is how I would do this: Chords are much more common than >> tremolos, so changing notation for the latter seems like the better >> choice. > > Oh, really??? Yup. > In all the classical or

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 13:36, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Can anyone explain to me what's going on here, and why the comments in IR > appear to suggest the opposite of what's actually happening? The comment is obsolete: defaultBarType isn't set by any engraver (it's a user override), so there are no de

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 06:30:29PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Carl Sorensen writes: > > >> And if each engraver specifies what engravers it is relying on in a > >> machine-readable manner (or the respective order in which it wants to be > >> applied), then Lilypond can actually do the required

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 13:41, David Kastrup wrote: > And if each engraver specifies what engravers it is relying on in a > machine-readable manner (or the respective order in which it wants to be > applied), then Lilypond can actually do the required sorting and figure > out a proper order at runtime.

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 28. April 2010 18:02:56 schrieb David Kastrup: > Anyway, here is how I would do this: Chords are much more common than > tremolos, so changing notation for the latter seems like the better > choice. Oh, really??? In all the classical orchestra scores that I have looked at (and I ha

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > On 4/28/10 6:41 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: [...] >> And if each engraver specifies what engravers it is relying on in a >> machine-readable manner (or the respective order in which it wants to be >> applied), then Lilypond can actually do the required sorting and figure

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Neil Puttock writes: > On 28 April 2010 12:38, David Kastrup wrote: > >> That's not enough of a distinction to keep it around.  Just let normal >> music mode accept chords with : notation, and \chordmode is unnecessary >> and can be deprecated. > > How would you distinguish between chords and tr

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen writes: > What effect would this have on the parser? I have only taken a cursory look so far. When entering chordmode, something records the chord names and the pitch names, and some grouping is involved. > I think that I like this idea, even though I didn't at first thought. > A

Re: MusicXML importer

2010-04-28 Thread Nils Gey
Yes, we're doing it. The project includes to make use of whatever lilypond has to offer with its own importer. Nils Denemo On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:28:49 +0200 (CEST) Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > Have you seen this announcement on planet.gnu.org? > > > Werner > > > ===

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Neil Puttock
On 28 April 2010 12:38, David Kastrup wrote: > That's not enough of a distinction to keep it around.  Just let normal > music mode accept chords with : notation, and \chordmode is unnecessary > and can be deprecated. How would you distinguish between chords and tremolos? \notemode { c4:8 } -> t

Re: Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 5:38 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > > > Hi, from a user perspective, chordmode is unnecessary and restricted. > You can't combine different voices (in particular for adding bass > notes), you can't write chords and bass notes together, you can't put > non-chorded material in between, r

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/10 6:41 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > Kieren MacMillan writes: > >> Hi Graham et al, >> >>> Talking about >>> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673 >>> problem with order of \consists >>> >>> 1) Add a sentence about default_bar_line_engraver and >>> timing_translat

MusicXML importer

2010-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Have you seen this announcement on planet.gnu.org? Werner == GNU Denemo participates in Google's Summer of Code 2010 with one project: A MusicXML Importer. Google Summer of Code is a global program that offers student

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi Graham et al, > >> Talking about >> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673 >> problem with order of \consists >> >> 1) Add a sentence about default_bar_line_engraver and >> timing_translator (or whatever Werner was talking about on 673). I >> know

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
WTM? > Based on Werner's specific problem: > Default_bar_line_engraver must come before Timing_translator > This last one is easy to determine by looking at [only] the IR: under > "defaultBarType" it says "This variable is read by [...] Timing translator”. Actually, it turns out the opposite

Re: order of engravers

2010-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham et al, > Talking about > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673 > problem with order of \consists > > 1) Add a sentence about default_bar_line_engraver and > timing_translator (or whatever Werner was talking about on 673). I > know we've already said "there order may

Re: please add patches to the tracker if they're getting lost

2010-04-28 Thread Marek Klein
Hi Graham, 2010/4/28 Graham Percival > > A few months ago, Marek voluteered to record patches. The guideline > is that if there was no activity for 3 days, he'd add it to the > tracker. Marek, are you still willing to do this? > Yes, I am. It is not clear enough in every case and I was quite

Why don't we get rid of \chordmode?

2010-04-28 Thread David Kastrup
Hi, from a user perspective, chordmode is unnecessary and restricted. You can't combine different voices (in particular for adding bass notes), you can't write chords and bass notes together, you can't put non-chorded material in between, relative mode is not possible (like for chord progressions)

please add patches to the tracker if they're getting lost

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
If a patch is not being actively discussed, please add it to the tracker. My memory is becoming increasingly faulty; I made the last two releases with waiting for patches that I told myself I should wait for (David's lilypond-book patch, and... I can't remember the other one). A few months ago, M

Re: Overriding tagline in a custom init file?

2010-04-28 Thread -Eluze
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > > So, do you have any idea how I can override the header and paper blocks in > a > global init file? > > i have copied the whole init.ly to myInit.ly and then added *\include "myPaper.ly"* right after the \maininput line (nr. 25 in version 2.13.18) and then invo

Re: PATCH: Doc: Clarify \relative inside \repeat issue.

2010-04-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:39:27PM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: > It struck me that there are more options for dealing with > the "\relative inside \repeat" issue. Can someone look over > this to make sure I'm not doing anything sacrililygious? As usual, I have no insights about the content, but in