uting more threads than not
So farewell to all. If anyone wants to write me privately or copy me on
specific messages, that's fine. I may or may not respond, but I will
definitely read them.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Go, and never darken my to
ed to call itself
"North Macedonia" in exchange for concrete benefits (membership in the EU),
but it took decades. What do the ESD movers and shakers offer the OSI?
I'd like a serious answer to that.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@c
rtheless.)
> No better than you, me, or anyone else? I disagree with that. We have a
> reputation that we stand behind. OSI certification is more important than
> any other entity's claim of open-source-ness.
>
Of course. But that does not delegitimate such claims.
John Cowan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:17 AM Russell Nelson wrote:
On 3/18/20 12:40 PM, John Cowan wrote:
> Note that I am fully supportive of the position that there may be and
> > are Open Source licenses, in the sense of meeting the OSD's terms,
> > that are not OSI Certified (TM).
rce"
has changed to include licenses that do not meet OSD #1, the burden of
persuasion is on the claimant, and that burden has not been met.
Note that I am fully supportive of the position that there may be and are
Open Source licenses, in the sense of meeting the OSD's terms, that
is former employer PBS $1.5MM after he had been fired
on the basis of his morals clause. PBS claimed in their countersuit to
Tavis's lawsuit for his firing, which he claimed to be racially motivated,
that the money was owed for a season of shows that Smiley had not delivered.
John Cowan
ays track that
philosophy. "We aren't born Odonian, any more than we are born civilized."
("Le Gain" is a pretty ironic typo, by the way.)
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
We want more school houses and less jails; more books a
Sorry to respond publicly to this call, but moderat...@opensource.org is
bouncing with error 550, and saying "does not exist".
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all software
everywhere. (The absence of software patents is clearly one of the
"conditions we require to accomplish open-source cooperation".)
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Cash registers don't really add and subtract;
they only grind
I agree on all points except rejecting new projects. We don't accept
projects, so we don't reject them. We could ask forges to remove the
license from their list of choices for new projects.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:36 AM Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY CCDC ARL (USA) via
License-discuss wrote:
> Er
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 7:15 AM Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> John Cowan :
> > 3) We do not consider ourselves bound by stare decisis if we believe it
> > will lead to a bad result in this particular case. In my view,
> open-source
> > license certification is not a situati
esult than a just result.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Babies are born as a result of the mating between men and women,
and most men and women enjoy mating.
--Isaac Asimov in Earth: Our Crowded Spaceship
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alta.
>
An ambassador is an honest man who is sent to lie abroad for the good of
his country. --Henry Wotton
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
"The serene chaos that is Courage, and the phenomenon of Unopened
Consciousness have been known to
inexorably to a
philosophy of universal damnation.
"There's a great text in Galatians [3:10, I think]
Once you trip on it, entails
Twenty-nine distinct damnations
One sure, if another fails."
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
"You
omly from my list.
The random numbers have been, I think, particularly felicitous today.)
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
He that would foil me must use such weapons as I do, for I have not
fed my readers with straw, neithe
.
There are. however, several forks.
> Amazon/ICE and BP (ex-British Petroleum)
Very simply, people who have strong emotions about these companies are
usually against them, whereas people have strong emotions both for and
against RMS. Using him as an example would just invite even more Sturm u
to the GPL, because the GPL only says the GPL must be
preserved, and any additional terms that restrict the user's powers (in
this case the power to remove the attachment) can be deleted by anyone.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
People go through the
of the
license remains under the control of the steward. That deals with your
point 4 as well.
Another practical point is how many licenses we need apart from
templating. Do we need copyleft, file-copyleft, and permissive variants?
Probably.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban
sor, just as the various FSF licenses do.
My concern with it is that license texts are potentially immortal. Suppose
the preamble says "John Cowan is a bad, nasty guy and we hate him; please
avoid him." Well, in ten years the licensor's opinion of me may change,
and then what? And i
I thought at first that "litigious Larry" meant you, and that seemed
pretty unfair. But of course it's Larry Ellison.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:24 AM Lawrence Rosen wrote:
> FYI. /Larry Rosen
>
>
>
>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-avoid-oracles-zfs-kernel-code-on-linux-until-l
and I was persuaded to withdraw it for administrative
reasons. Some years later, MS submitted them and they were eventually
certified.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Mos Eisley spaceport. You will never see a more wretched hive of scum
and villainy --u
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 4:14 AM Henrik Ingo
wrote:
But if we want to claim that software can only be
> called "open source" if it is under an OSI approved license,
We don't, haven't, and can't claim this. "OSI Certified" is a cert mark
which OSI owns and has to police. "Open source" is just a
;
I think the sense of the community is that writing them down would (a) be
divisive (it was hard enough to get everyone to sign on to the OSD) and (b)
make them easier for bad actors (not meaning you) to game.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
I am he that
sted when I started
work in 2002 or so. But that doesn't make it "dead", as people too easily
assume.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
The native charset of SMS messages supports English, French, mainland
Scandinavian languages, German, Italian,
An editing error on my part: I meant to say "at common law" somewhere in
that sentence, though the careful distinction between landed ("real")
property and other property would be a giveaway to the knowledgeable.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM Thorsten Glaser wrote:
The Copyright Act makes no specific provision for copyright abandonment,
but in general any property (except land) can be abandoned by any overt act
indicating an intention to give up the rights. I can't find any copyright
case on point, but National Comics Publications v. Fawcett Publications,
19
Lest anyone be intimidated by the size of the PDF (343 pages), I'll just
note that only the first 40 pages are the actual petition, and the first
and last are boilerplate. The rest is just copies of court orders and
judgments.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:29 AM Lawrence Rosen wrote:
> FYI. /Larry
r r $@ $INCLUDE_FILES $SRC_FILES $ESSENTIAL_FILES
elftar r $@ $(find ../src ../include -name '*.[ch]')
Then at the other end the user runs "elftar x /usr/local/bin/foo', and its
source and include directories are reconstituted for them.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojb
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 2:14 PM Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY CCDC ARL (USA) via
License-discuss wrote:
This is actually starting to sound like an interesting/good idea. For GPL
> compliance, you can't get much better than having the source artifacts
> stored with the binary itself. So, the question
tween common-law countries,
where copyright is a monopoly that is tolerated because of its social
benefits, and many civil-law countries like France, where it is a
fundamental human right and there is no balancing to do.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Ev
t's it.
"Seeing, I see not", as Mr. Swinburne has it (though in a somewhat
different sense). But what the licensing conditions may be, I don't know.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:31 PM Lawrence Rosen wrote:
> John Cowan wrote:
>
> > But suppose I write and send
and the resulting display when the code runs
are one work because the transformation from one to another is mechanical.
This is analogous to a binary file and its corresponding source file being
one work. Though probably they have mostly dealt with works that affect the
computer's local m
Thanks for the clarification. I simply reacted to your saying that private
modifications are not necessarily protected by OSD-compliant licenses.
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:53 PM Bruce Perens wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:45 PM John Cowan wrote:
>
>> I think that OSD #3 does
llow
modifications and derived works [...]" A license that even conditionally
forbids those activities is not, on my reading, an open source license.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
"The exception proves the rule." Dimbulbs think: "You
gain for its chronic
overreach (b) quotes Coke.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
A: "Spiro conjectures Ex-Lax."
Q: "What does Pat Nixon frost her cakes with?"
--"Jeopardy" for generative semanticists
_
; http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110929014241932
> ("Psystar Loses its Appeal; Licensees Have No First-Sale Rights; Costs
> Awarded to Apple ~ pj")
>
To assume that the first sale doctrine is the same in the EU (your first
two links) and the U.S. (your third
ts not in the
words, but solely in the way judges interpret them. This is most strongly
true in the U.S., where there is no notion analogous to the supremacy of
Parliament.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
So they play that [tune] on their fascist banjos, eh
On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 10:03 AM Russell McOrmond
wrote:
I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing that it is the same or
>> similar (right to authorise "public performance" of software, and
>> interface/API copyright).
>>
>
I'm saying that there is no public performance right for works tha
rver or
it is gratis? (I hold that the GPL conditions attach in all these cases.)
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
It was dreary and wearisome. Cold clammy winter still held sway in this
forsaken country. The only green was the scum of livid weed on the
e program on a remote server owned by someone else
has no such rights (because they are not "users" because they don't control
the remote server). I find that difficult to swallow.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
He that would foil me must use
7;s Java
> platform.
>
So says Oracle, but it's clear that Google went to some trouble (unlike MS
with its J# language, now defunct) to keep the core libraries and the
language itself compatible.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Please leave your valu
Headers or their equivalents usually have documentation comments Iwhich are
expressive) nowadays, saying what they is about to be used in evidence
against us^W^W^W^W^W^W^W.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 5:27 PM Bruce Perens via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul
There was a time when the OSI believed that the more licenses the merrier,
as long as they all complied with the OSD. At that time we were trying to
encourage companies to release their code as FLOSS, no matter what annoying
conditions they put on it. Only later did the costs to both developers a
sign a
plumbing system for a large building as an API, but there is no copyright
protection for plumbing.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
That you can cover for the plentiful and often gaping errors, misconstruals
and disinformation in your posts through she
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:44 PM Thorsten Glaser wrote:
(aka “we restrict your freedom to protect freedom”)
>
Well, that's not as paradoxical as you make it sound: consider “we restrict
your freedom [to swing your fist] to protect [other people's] freedom [to
keep their noses int
am works, and change it so it does your
computing as you wish." That includes changing it to incorporate your
secret sauce that you use so that you can manufacture widgets better and
more cheaply than anyone else, without being required to send those changes
to your competitors on d
copyright in three more years, which is very good because most of them are
orphans anyhow.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
He made the Legislature meet at one-horse tank-towns out in the alfalfa
belt, so that hardly nobody could get there and most of the
ould surely
be evidence for promissory estoppel if the FSF sued for copyright
violations.
While this license appears to be a non-free parody international socialism
>
I think this is a case of Poe's Law reversed: there can be no statement of
a position sincerely held that no one will mis
right at the top:
"Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this
license document, but changing it is not allowed."
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of
t by a lot more volunteers. The advantage
to paying for things is that someone has an incentive to keep them running;
of course, that requires a funding source.
"The part-time help of wits is no better than the full-time help of
half-wits."
"Fail-safe systems fail by failing to
Yet those judges were not acting
arbitrarily at all.
> More generally, OSI only has legitimacy as long as its process
> represents the opinion of the wider open source community. Saying that
> decisions can be more or less arbitrary doesn't make sense.
Agreed, but nobody is
ht law is concerned".
Having one immunity (being sued for breach of copyright) does not mean
having all necessary immunities. In particular, a restriction against
publishing anything could be part of a contract of employment or simply
cause for dismissal among those of us who work without contr
ce.
>
Indeed, it's more like an ISO registration authority: see
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_authority>, which
decides all issues de novo. (But see below, even though this
.sig was picked randomly from my list.)
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan
On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 11:19 AM Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> That works with almost no browsers. Not with lynx, links, links2, w3m,
> dillo, Arachne, …
>
... ssh, telnet, nc ...
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Most languages are dra
ts to instruct, giving the ratio
decidendi can never be a Bad Thing, though of course it costs time and
energy to produce one (for which no one is paid, unlike judges).
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Assent may be registered by a signature, a handshake, or
ter programming.
>
I don't believe that either. People often insert patches into other
people's modules, and patches into the patches, and so on. They do so in
the Linux kernel and gcc, as obvious examples. It seems plain that such
patch-submitters intend their contributions to be merge
be better if people always raised an issue in one post, made a
proposal to resolve it in another, and posted their arguments in a third?
It would. But they won't, not without a *lot* more support (see <
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issue-based_information_system> for what that
woul
press it,
> but when someone posts a message which is both on-topic and off-topic
> (as happens often), readers have no choice but to read through it all
> to find the parts that are relevant.
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:27 AM John Cowan wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> &
ensed under the
OSL version 3.0 or, at the user's option, under any later version of the
OSL, under the GNU GPL version 2, or
any later version of the GNU GPL", but most people aren't going to bother
with that. I'd like it to be an
inherent part of the OSL.
John Cowan h
The licenses of the GPL and LGPL are embedded in them: "Everyone is
permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document,
but changing it is not allowed." That's to prevent creating a twisty maze
of licenses, all different.
The same is true of the Eclipse PL: "The Agreemen
On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:33 PM Christopher Sean Morrison via
License-discuss wrote:
Yes! Even to say it’s in the public domain is misleading. It’s not a USC
> term.
>
It's true that "public domain" is not *defined* in 17 U.S.C., but it is
*used* there seven times. So turning to a dictionary,
and typically the
contractor retains that copyright.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Note that nobody these days would clamor for fundamental laws of *the theory
of kangaroos*, showing why pseudo-kangaroos are physically, logically,
metaphysically impossib
only, reason for
developing clang was to provide a production-quality C/C++ compiler that
was not GPL, yet highly compatible with gcc.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
'My young friend, if you do not now, immediately and instantly, pull
as hard as ever you
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 1:52 PM Bruce Perens via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
It's this fellows job to represent his employer to the best of his ability
> and to tell the story that is most advantageous to them. He is not under
> oath, and I don't believe that eve
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 1:35 PM James wrote:
> Because the moderation process is opaque, and the accused aren't
> allowed to know about or confront their accusers, so this allows some
> people to get "easily offended" and create unnecessary drama.
>
I take it this is a reference to the Fidonet
u're about to get another entry in
> http://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/sigs-rickmoen.html, I'll have you know.
>
Feel free to raid my full list at <http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan/signatures
>.
Reading them all at once, however, can cause humor fatigue.
(BTW, I've decided t
to pay their lawyers longer.
Latveria obviously doesn't have submarines, since Doomstadt
is the eighth city of the Siebenburg (Saxon Transylvania).
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
My confusion is rapidly waxing
For XML Schema's too t
ignore it.
So for clarity's sake, I urge you to write "OSI-certified" when that's what
you mean.
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Please leave your values at the front desk.
--sign in Pa
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:55 AM Patrick Schleizer
wrote:
Since GPLv3 says that "Prohibiting misrepresentation" is an opt-in, it
> could be argued in court that misrepresentation as per "pure" (no
> supplemental terms) GPLv3 licensed material is permissible?
>
You can argue anything you want, bu
correspondence
between you and me (or if you don't, it's certainly not my fault), so
either of us can log it without being required to provide the log to the
other one.
As always, IANAL and TINLA.
--
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
Ambassador Tr
es have (but
the U.S. does not) might treat U.S. government employee works as having a
copyright term of 0 years, meaning that in such countries the copyright
term would also be 0 years. But whether "not copyrighted in the first
place" is the same as "copyrighted for 0 years" for s
he regulations prevent release as
open source, so be it.
And random practicing IP lawyers, like other lawyers, are used to drafting
documents that preserve their client's rights as opposed to giving them
away. That can't be an easy thing to wrap one's head around.
--
John Cowan
The trouble is that "intimate data communication"
_has_ no industry usage.
--
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After fixing the Y2K bug in an application:
WELCOME TO
DATE: MONDAK, JANUARK 1, 1900
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nked (in a relinkable way) with purely
proprietary code, but if if you want to link it with a GPLv2-only program,
something which in no way undermines the purposes of free software,
_that's_ not allowed.
--
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Even the
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 1:02 PM Lawrence Rosen wrote:
What is the relevance of "convoluted interaction" and "deep knowledge," and
> why should open source licenses care about independent implementations
> regardless of their design for utility?
>
I think (but don't actually know) that it was int
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:36 AM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <
license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote:
When I read this, I interpret *intimate data communication* as the
> relationship between a database driver and a database. That's the role of a
> driver -- to have intimate communication
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 4:04 PM Mike Milinkovich <
mike.milinkov...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:
Given that we just re-licensed all of GlassFish (Java EE) from CDDL to
> EPL-2.0, you would certainly have my agreement that the CDDL could be
> removed.
>
"Heads off all around but us." :-)
> I c
This (which is great) links to the list of popular licenses, which reminds
me that EPL and CDDL should probably go off that list now. Granted, EPL
and Apache are both "foundation licenses", but Apache really is widely
popular outside the ASF. The number of EPL or CDDL projects can probably
be cou
co-authors for the profits, if any. In this case
presumably there were none. It may have been good politics or publicity
not to take advantage of unilateral relicensing, of course.
--
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
You let them out again, Old Man Willo
e
exaggeration, that consideration was as much a matter of form as seal. (My
dad quoted him in one of his articles.)
--
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
One Word to write them all / One Access to find them,
One Excel to count them all / And thus to Wind
You can release it under whatever license you please, but a program
released only with obfuscated source will never be an open source program,
because of the Open Source Definition clause 2:
2. Source Code
The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in source
code as well as
tion
> you cited.
>
Distinguo. Those are not put *into* my application. SQLite is, but
fortunately it's PD/Zero.
--
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
First known example of political correctness: After Nurhachi had united
all the other Jurchen tribes
d for use on Debian, they
are still within the terms of the license. If you decide to download
OpenMotif from Debian and run it on Windows or Oracle Solaris or z/OS or
what have you, that's between you and the Open Group.
--
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@cci
; seems to be vanishingly small.
>
The reinstatement is permanent in the sense that it does not expire after a
period of years or at the whim of the licensor. That does not mean that
your rights cannot be revoked again if you behave badly again.
--
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.o
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
There’s also… “berechtigtes Interesse”, don’t know the English term,
> which *might* help. IANAL, TINLA.
>
"Legitimate interest." See <
https://www.gdpreu.org/the-regulation/key-concepts/legitimate-interest
It looks okay to me. An analogue would be if Yoyodyne Software released
some code, with the provision that if you run it on Yoyodyne Computer boxes
you have to use Yoyodyne Maintenance on those boxes instead of Joe The
Plumber Computer Maintenance. It doesn't seriously restrict anyone's
freedom t
ice, but it's not
exactly the unauthorized practice of law either.
--
John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
The whole of Gaul is quartered into three halves.
--Julius Caesar
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e in doing so?
>
Being exposed to scorn and objurgation by those of us who care about the
proper use of technical terms.
--
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Humpty Dump Dublin squeaks through his norse
Humpty Dump Dublin hath a horrible v
If the copyright on all the code belongs to your company, you can change
the copyright however you want to. You cannot in general change the
copyright on other people's code unless they have assigned the copyright to
you.
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antoine.tho...@prestasho
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