Re: [lfs-dev] Armin's lfs-systemd book?

2014-04-26 Thread Armin K.
On 04/26/2014 10:32 AM, akhiezer wrote: > Hi, > > Armin, are you (or anyone) going to be continuing to maintain the > pure-systemd lfs book? > It wouldn't be hard to merge stuff from main to systemd branch if that's needed. > Or are you (Armin) 'just' going to contrib directly to main mixed(-up)

Re: [lfs-dev] Kernel configuration for systemd

2014-04-26 Thread Armin K.
On 04/26/2014 05:15 AM, Ken Moffat wrote: > I've now got to section 8.3, and as-expected I need to change my > kernel config from what I've been using, if I hope it will support > booting with systemd. But I'd like to query if a few of these > settings really are necessary, and also to suggest th

Re: [lfs-dev] Armin's lfs-systemd book?

2014-04-26 Thread xinglp
2014-04-26 16:32 GMT+08:00 akhiezer : > Hi, > > Armin, are you (or anyone) going to be continuing to maintain the > pure-systemd lfs book? I'm using a rough patch for jhalfs build. > > Or are you (Armin) 'just' going to contrib directly to main mixed(-up)-lfs > from now on? > > (Apols if have misse

Re: [lfs-dev] Kernel configuration for systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:35:11PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> >> Does this help? >> >> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd#Kernel >> >> -- Bruce > > No ;-) > > They show "open by fhandle syscalls" as required, so I start to > believe there is no choice for that. But t

Re: [lfs-dev] Kernel configuration for systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:35:11PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Does this help? > > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd#Kernel > >-- Bruce No ;-) They show "open by fhandle syscalls" as required, so I start to believe there is no choice for that. But the other items I queried, as well

Re: [lfs-dev] Kernel configuration for systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > I've now got to section 8.3, and as-expected I need to change my > kernel config from what I've been using, if I hope it will support > booting with systemd. But I'd like to query if a few of these > settings really are necessary, and also to suggest that we ought to > distin

Re: [lfs-dev] [blfs-dev] Mailinglist Migration

2014-04-25 Thread Gerard Beekmans
On 2014-04-25 14:16, Gerard Beekmans wrote: > On 2014-04-25 14:14, Gerard Beekmans wrote: >> This weekend I'm going to spend some time migrating the LFS mailinglists >> > I forgot to mention: the archives will be re-instated. New server > hosting allows 16 TB/month tran

Re: [lfs-dev] Mailinglist Migration

2014-04-25 Thread Gerard Beekmans
On 2014-04-25 14:14, Gerard Beekmans wrote: > This weekend I'm going to spend some time migrating the LFS mailinglists > I forgot to mention: the archives will be re-instated. New server hosting allows 16 TB/month transfer (old host only 100 GB/month which is why we took the archi

Re: [lfs-dev] [blfs-dev] Pending LFS Server Outage

2014-04-24 Thread Gerard Beekmans
On 2014-04-24 07:15, Gerard Beekmans wrote: > On 2014-04-23 15:53, Gerard Beekmans wrote: >> Hosting company (Linode) has changed price plans and how offers >> additional resources for same monthly cost. >> >> This upgrade for us includes: >> >> * RAM from 8 GB to 16 GB >> * Shared outgoing bandwid

Re: [lfs-dev] [blfs-dev] Pending LFS Server Outage

2014-04-24 Thread Gerard Beekmans
On 2014-04-23 15:53, Gerard Beekmans wrote: > Hosting company (Linode) has changed price plans and how offers > additional resources for same monthly cost. > > This upgrade for us includes: > > * RAM from 8 GB to 16 GB > * Shared outgoing bandwidth from 250 Mbps to 2 Gbps > > I'll follow-up later w

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-book] r10546 - in trunk/BOOK: chapter01 chapter06

2014-04-23 Thread Armin K.
On 04/23/2014 12:05 PM, Fernando de Oliveira wrote: > Em 23-04-2014 02:39, Bruce Dubbs escreveu: >> Ken Moffat wrote: > > >>> I've had a users group in my own builds for years, probably derived >>> from fedora, and it has always been 1000. Shadow is now maintained >>> by debian, no ? So the f

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-book] r10546 - in trunk/BOOK: chapter01 chapter06

2014-04-23 Thread Fernando de Oliveira
Em 23-04-2014 02:39, Bruce Dubbs escreveu: > Ken Moffat wrote: >> I've had a users group in my own builds for years, probably derived >> from fedora, and it has always been 1000. Shadow is now maintained >> by debian, no ? So the fact that it too uses 1000 implies many >> people will already

Re: [lfs-dev] section 7.1 : typo ?

2014-04-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 09:27:55PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Ken Moffat wrote: >>>I'm just looking in more detail at the set-systemd and set-sysv >>> scripts in section 7.1. >>> >>>Two questions: >>> >>> 1. set-systemd ends with >>> echo "Now reboot with /sbin/reboot-

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-book] r10546 - in trunk/BOOK: chapter01 chapter06

2014-04-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:28:32AM -0700, bdu...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org > wrote: >> Author: bdubbs >> Date: Tue Apr 22 11:28:32 2014 >> New Revision: 10546 >> >> Log: >> Update users so all acl tests pass >> > >> >> Modified: trunk/BOOK/chapter06/shadow.xml >> =

Re: [lfs-dev] variables in /etc/vconsole.conf

2014-04-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > I'm trying to guess what I need here, but the details seem to be > sparse. > > 1. FONT_MAP and FONT_UNIMAP : I haven't found any relevant examples > yet, but I assume those of use using UTF-8 throughout our system do > not need to specify anything ? I saw an example of FONT_M

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-book] r10546 - in trunk/BOOK: chapter01 chapter06

2014-04-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:28:32AM -0700, bdu...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: > Author: bdubbs > Date: Tue Apr 22 11:28:32 2014 > New Revision: 10546 > > Log: > Update users so all acl tests pass > > > Modified: trunk/BOOK/chapter06/shadow.xml > ===

Re: [lfs-dev] section 7.1 : typo ?

2014-04-22 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 09:27:55PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > I'm just looking in more detail at the set-systemd and set-sysv > > scripts in section 7.1. > > > > Two questions: > > > > 1. set-systemd ends with > > echo "Now reboot with /sbin/reboot-sysv" > > and set-sys

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Chapter 7

2014-04-22 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Sebastian Plotz wrote: > Am 21.04.2014 23:46, schrieb Bruce Dubbs: >> I have reorganized and rewritten Chapter 7. I'd appreciate feedback. >> Thanks. >> >> -- Bruce > > It looks really good. I have only three minor things to mention: > > 1) > > Unfortunately some (in my opinion) interesting d

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS Chapter 7

2014-04-22 Thread Sebastian Plotz
Am 21.04.2014 23:46, schrieb Bruce Dubbs: > I have reorganized and rewritten Chapter 7. I'd appreciate feedback. > Thanks. > > -- Bruce It looks really good. I have only three minor things to mention: 1) Unfortunately some (in my opinion) interesting documentation got lost: - |description

Re: [lfs-dev] section 7.1 : typo ?

2014-04-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > I'm just looking in more detail at the set-systemd and set-sysv > scripts in section 7.1. > > Two questions: > > 1. set-systemd ends with > echo "Now reboot with /sbin/reboot-sysv" > and set-sysv ends with > echo "Now reboot with /sbin/reboot-systemd" > Are these swappe

Re: [lfs-dev] Bad installation of perl in 5.29.1

2014-04-19 Thread William Harrington
On Apr 19, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Pontus Karlsson wrote: > 2. Read the archlibexp and use that path instead: > mkdir -pv $(grep archlibexp lib/Config.pm | cut -d"'" -f2) > cp -Rv lib/* $(grep archlibexp lib/Config.pm | cut -d"'" -f2) > ... > > But as long as no Perl modules are required while

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-16 Thread Sebastian Plotz
I copied the example from http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.link.html. Here is the full example: [Match] MACAddress=12:34:56:78:9a:bc Driver=brcmsmac Path=pci-:02:00.0-* Type=wlan Virtualization=no Host=my-laptop Architecture=x86-64 [Link] Name=wireless0 MTUBytes=1450

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-15 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Sebastian Plotz wrote: > Am 15.04.2014 05:37, schrieb Bryan Kadzban: >> Also, does it work to match NICs by device path instead of MAC >> address, > > Yes. Have a look at "|Path=pci-:02:00.0-*":| Huh. OK, that's unexpected. :-) However, while this: > |[Match] > Driver=brcmsmac > Path=pci

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-14 Thread Sebastian Plotz
Am 15.04.2014 05:37, schrieb Bryan Kadzban: > Why the duplication? If I create a file named 10-eth1.link and it has > Name="eth0" in it, what interface name is created when the address > matches? (Wouldn't it be better to have *one* source of truth for > renames like this?) It would create the

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-14 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Sebastian Plotz wrote: >>> This assignes the name eth0 to the interface with the MAC address >>> 12:34:56:78:9a:bc. The file name is important: if there would be a >>> second file (for example 10-eth1.link) with "Name=eth1"instead of >>> "Name=eth0" the

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-14 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Sebastian Plotz wrote: >> Am 14.04.2014 21:52, schrieb Bruce Dubbs: >>> I've thought about it, but my experience with systemd is limited. Do >>> you have specific instructions I can test with LFS? -- Bruce >> >> Ok, I'll try to give a starting point. >> >> 1.) First of all we n

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-14 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Sebastian Plotz wrote: > Am 14.04.2014 21:52, schrieb Bruce Dubbs: >> I've thought about it, but my experience with systemd is limited. Do >> you have specific instructions I can test with LFS? -- Bruce > > Ok, I'll try to give a starting point. > > 1.) First of all we need to create a .link file (

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-14 Thread Sebastian Plotz
Am 14.04.2014 21:52, schrieb Bruce Dubbs: > I've thought about it, but my experience with systemd is limited. Do > you have specific instructions I can test with LFS? -- Bruce Ok, I'll try to give a starting point. 1.) First of all we need to create a .link file (for example 15-eth0.link) in /us

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-14 Thread Armin K.
On 04/14/2014 09:52 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Sebastian Plotz wrote: >> What about using systemd to bring up the network interfaces? >> >> There was already a discussion about this topic before: >> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg19837.html >> >> The systemd version w

Re: [lfs-dev] Use systemd to configure network interfaces

2014-04-14 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Sebastian Plotz wrote: > What about using systemd to bring up the network interfaces? > > There was already a discussion about this topic before: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg19837.html > > The systemd version wouldn't need the LFS-Network-Scripts anymore. > The

Re: [lfs-dev] Incorporating upstream patches

2014-04-14 Thread Fernando de Oliveira
Em 13-04-2014 19:32, Ken Moffat escreveu: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:06:54PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I would like to get the opinion of the community. Right now we have >> four tickets: >> >> #3537 MPFR-3.1.2 Patchlevel 5 >> #3536 Fix BC-1.06.95 bug >> #3532 Readline-6.3 patchlevel 3 >> #3

Re: [lfs-dev] Incorporating upstream patches

2014-04-13 Thread Nathan Coulson
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:06:54PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I would like to get the opinion of the community. Right now we have >> four tickets: >> >> #3537 MPFR-3.1.2 Patchlevel 5 >> #3536 Fix BC-1.06.95 bug >> #3532 Readline-6.3 patchleve

Re: [lfs-dev] Incorporating upstream patches

2014-04-13 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:06:54PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I would like to get the opinion of the community. Right now we have > four tickets: > > #3537 MPFR-3.1.2 Patchlevel 5 > #3536 Fix BC-1.06.95 bug > #3532 Readline-6.3 patchlevel 3 > #3532 Bash-4.3 patchlevel 8 > > All of these call f

Re: [lfs-dev] Incorporating upstream patches

2014-04-13 Thread Pierre Labastie
Le 13/04/2014 19:06, Bruce Dubbs a écrit : > I would like to get the opinion of the community. Right now we have > four tickets: > > #3537 MPFR-3.1.2 Patchlevel 5 > #3536 Fix BC-1.06.95 bug > #3532 Readline-6.3 patchlevel 3 > #3532 Bash-4.3 patchlevel 8 > > All of these call for adding patches

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS : SVN : "/lib/udev/devices does not exist" and "/dev/pts does not exist"

2014-04-13 Thread Magnus Larsson
> >> I have used lfs-bootscripts-20140321. > > That's been updated. Welcome to the joys of -dev. > >-- Bruce > Thank you Bruce, for checking and pointing this out. It works perfectly, after updating to lfs-bootscripts-20140404. Magnus -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lf

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS : SVN : "/lib/udev/devices does not exist" and "/dev/pts does not exist"

2014-04-12 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Magnus Larsson wrote: > On 2014-04-12 23:04, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Magnus Larsson wrote: >>> (resend with correct subject title) >>> Magnus >>> >>> dearlfs-...@linuxfromscratch.org, >>> >>> LFS : SVN : "/lib/udev/devices does not exist" and "/dev/pts does not >>> exist" >>> >>> === my lfs system ==

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS : SVN : "/lib/udev/devices does not exist" and "/dev/pts does not exist"

2014-04-12 Thread Magnus Larsson
On 2014-04-12 23:04, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Magnus Larsson wrote: >> (resend with correct subject title) >> Magnus >> >> dearlfs-...@linuxfromscratch.org, >> >> LFS : SVN : "/lib/udev/devices does not exist" and "/dev/pts does not >> exist" >> >> === my lfs system === >> >> I built SVN circa 140331-1

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS : SVN : "/lib/udev/devices does not exist" and "/dev/pts does not exist"

2014-04-12 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Magnus Larsson wrote: > (resend with correct subject title) > Magnus > > dearlfs-...@linuxfromscratch.org, > > LFS : SVN : "/lib/udev/devices does not exist" and "/dev/pts does not > exist" > > === my lfs system === > > I built SVN circa 140331-140408. I can boot the system and log in as > root. It

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-09 Thread William Harrington
On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:42 PM, xinglp wrote: > wpa_supplicant support systemd already. Yeah, I had it going with systemd long ago, but without systemd- networkd. Looks like as long as you have all the configuration setup properly it will work fine. I haven't tried it with systemd-networkd, yet.

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread xinglp
2014-04-09 10:12 GMT+08:00 William Harrington : > > On Apr 8, 2014, at 8:00 PM, xinglp wrote: > >>> Wouldn't it be the easiest way to let systemd configure the network >>> interfaces? >> It works well for my problemed vmware. I think we don't need ifup >> ifdown script for systemd now. > > It's be

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread William Harrington
On Apr 8, 2014, at 8:00 PM, xinglp wrote: >> Wouldn't it be the easiest way to let systemd configure the network >> interfaces? > It works well for my problemed vmware. I think we don't need ifup > ifdown script for systemd now. It's best to let systemd's networkd deal with all of the network.

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread xinglp
2014-04-08 22:50 GMT+08:00 Sebastian Plotz : > Am 08.04.2014 16:40, schrieb xinglp: >> $ journalctl -b|grep enp >> Apr 08 22:37:25 vm1 ifup[123]: Adding IPv4 address 192.168.3.1 to the >> enp4s0 interface...Cannot find device "enp4s0" >> Apr 08 22:37:26 vm1 systemd-udevd[173]: renamed network inter

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread xinglp
2014-04-09 0:07 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > xinglp wrote: >> $ journalctl -b|grep enp >> Apr 08 22:37:25 vm1 ifup[123]: Adding IPv4 address 192.168.3.1 to the >> enp4s0 interface...Cannot find device "enp4s0" >> Apr 08 22:37:26 vm1 systemd-udevd[173]: renamed network interface eth0 to >> enp4s0 >> >

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread xinglp
2014-04-08 22:50 GMT+08:00 Sebastian Plotz : > Am 08.04.2014 16:40, schrieb xinglp: >> $ journalctl -b|grep enp >> Apr 08 22:37:25 vm1 ifup[123]: Adding IPv4 address 192.168.3.1 to the >> enp4s0 interface...Cannot find device "enp4s0" >> Apr 08 22:37:26 vm1 systemd-udevd[173]: renamed network inter

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread xinglp
2014-04-09 0:07 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > xinglp wrote: >> $ journalctl -b|grep enp >> Apr 08 22:37:25 vm1 ifup[123]: Adding IPv4 address 192.168.3.1 to the >> enp4s0 interface...Cannot find device "enp4s0" >> Apr 08 22:37:26 vm1 systemd-udevd[173]: renamed network interface eth0 to >> enp4s0 >> >

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > $ journalctl -b|grep enp > Apr 08 22:37:25 vm1 ifup[123]: Adding IPv4 address 192.168.3.1 to the > enp4s0 interface...Cannot find device "enp4s0" > Apr 08 22:37:26 vm1 systemd-udevd[173]: renamed network interface eth0 to > enp4s0 > > So it won't startup network. Are you using /et

Re: [lfs-dev] systemd ifup get run before systemd rename interface sometimes.

2014-04-08 Thread Sebastian Plotz
Am 08.04.2014 16:40, schrieb xinglp: > $ journalctl -b|grep enp > Apr 08 22:37:25 vm1 ifup[123]: Adding IPv4 address 192.168.3.1 to the > enp4s0 interface...Cannot find device "enp4s0" > Apr 08 22:37:26 vm1 systemd-udevd[173]: renamed network interface eth0 to > enp4s0 > > So it won't startup netw

Re: [lfs-dev] Overriding gcc defaults without patches

2014-04-07 Thread Pierre Labastie
Le 07/04/2014 13:50, Christer Solskogen a écrit : > Pierre Labastie neuf.fr> writes: > >> >> Le 03/04/2014 10:36, Christer Solskogen a écrit : >>> Hi! >>> >>> I'm hoping to create a LFS system with as few patches as necessary. Some > of >>> the patches that are in use for both CLFS and LFS are.

Re: [lfs-dev] Overriding gcc defaults without patches

2014-04-07 Thread Christer Solskogen
Pierre Labastie neuf.fr> writes: > > Le 03/04/2014 10:36, Christer Solskogen a écrit : > > Hi! > > > > I'm hoping to create a LFS system with as few patches as necessary. Some of > > the patches that are in use for both CLFS and LFS are. For instance the use > > of > > #undef STANDARD_STARTFIL

Re: [lfs-dev] The joys of systemd

2014-04-06 Thread Bruce Dubbs
thomas wrote: > Am Samstag, den 05.04.2014, 19:17 -0500 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: >> Armin K. wrote: >>> On 04/06/2014 01:19 AM, thomas wrote: Am Samstag, den 05.04.2014, 16:41 -0500 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: > Working with systemd, there seem to be lots of "learning" issues. > > I was tryin

Re: [lfs-dev] The joys of systemd

2014-04-06 Thread thomas
Am Samstag, den 05.04.2014, 19:17 -0500 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: > Armin K. wrote: > > On 04/06/2014 01:19 AM, thomas wrote: > >> Am Samstag, den 05.04.2014, 16:41 -0500 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: > >>> Working with systemd, there seem to be lots of "learning" issues. > >>> > >>> I was trying to watch the bo

Re: [lfs-dev] The joys of systemd

2014-04-05 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Armin K. wrote: > On 04/06/2014 01:19 AM, thomas wrote: >> Am Samstag, den 05.04.2014, 16:41 -0500 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: >>> Working with systemd, there seem to be lots of "learning" issues. >>> >>> I was trying to watch the boot sequence and the screen clears and I get >>> a login prompt. How to d

Re: [lfs-dev] The joys of systemd

2014-04-05 Thread Armin K.
On 04/06/2014 01:25 AM, Armin K. wrote: > On 04/05/2014 11:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Now I come to setting up udev and networking. I have the rule: >> >> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules >> >> The contents are >> >> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", \ >> ATTR{address}=="

Re: [lfs-dev] The joys of systemd

2014-04-05 Thread Armin K.
On 04/06/2014 01:19 AM, thomas wrote: > Am Samstag, den 05.04.2014, 16:41 -0500 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: >> Working with systemd, there seem to be lots of "learning" issues. >> >> I was trying to watch the boot sequence and the screen clears and I get >> a login prompt. How to disable clearing the sc

Re: [lfs-dev] The joys of systemd

2014-04-05 Thread Armin K.
On 04/05/2014 11:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Working with systemd, there seem to be lots of "learning" issues. > > I was trying to watch the boot sequence and the screen clears and I get > a login prompt. How to disable clearing the screen? Well that's simple > enough: > > mkdir -p /etc/syste

Re: [lfs-dev] The joys of systemd

2014-04-05 Thread thomas
Am Samstag, den 05.04.2014, 16:41 -0500 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: > Working with systemd, there seem to be lots of "learning" issues. > > I was trying to watch the boot sequence and the screen clears and I get > a login prompt. How to disable clearing the screen? Well that's simple > enough: > > m

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-05 19:50 GMT+08:00 Armin K. : >> On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> xinglp wrote: 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > xinglp wrote: >> When boot into systemd, got the below message: > > Lets work the problems one at a time. >>> >>

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Armin K. wrote: > On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> xinglp wrote: >>> 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : xinglp wrote: > When boot into systemd, got the below message: Lets work the problems one at a time. >> > [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf:25] Unknown g

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 19:50 GMT+08:00 Armin K. : > On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> xinglp wrote: >>> 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : xinglp wrote: > When boot into systemd, got the below message: Lets work the problems one at a time. >> > [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/syst

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread Armin K.
On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > xinglp wrote: >> 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : >>> xinglp wrote: When boot into systemd, got the below message: >>> >>> Lets work the problems one at a time. > [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf:25] Unknown group 'systemd-journal'. >

Re: [lfs-dev] An interesting thread about systemd

2014-04-05 Thread Armin K.
On 04/05/2014 03:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01327.html > >-- Bruce > >From what I've read past few days the thread isn't about systemd but one of its devs (behaviour), FYI, it was Kay who rejected my compat patch and I didn't want to argue w

Re: [lfs-dev] An interesting thread about systemd

2014-04-05 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 10:52:09 +0100 > From: lf...@cruziero.com (akhiezer) > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] An interesting thread about systemd > - et seq ... ... https://plus.google.com/111049168280159033135/posts/Kd57G8s1cTD Akhiezer

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 21:16:01 -0700 > From: Bryan Kadzban > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev > > > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I did have a private email with a volunteer to write a hint. If I get > > that, I&

Re: [lfs-dev] An interesting thread about systemd

2014-04-05 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:50:23 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: [lfs-dev] An interesting thread about systemd > > http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01327.html > - ha, and I didn't refer to that yesterday at various points, going a bit ea

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: >> However, if someone (like me...) *really really* doesn't want systemd, >> and knows it from the get-go, shouldn't they avoid building all the other >> junk like libacl / libattr / expat / *dbus* / etc., too? The current >> list of packages that are only

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I did have a private email with a volunteer to write a hint. If I get >> that, I'll add a note in the systemd section that points there. > > I saw a commit mail to -book that added the hint link. > > However, if someone (like me...) *really really* does

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I did have a private email with a volunteer to write a hint. If I get > that, I'll add a note in the systemd section that points there. I saw a commit mail to -book that added the hint link. However, if someone (like me...) *really really* doesn't want systemd, and knows it

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-05 10:59 GMT+08:00 William Harrington : >> >> On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: >> >>> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >>> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. >> >> View the README in the systemd-xxx/ sou

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : >> xinglp wrote: >>> When boot into systemd, got the below message: >> >> Lets work the problems one at a time. >>> [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf:25] Unknown group 'systemd-journal'. >> >> Something else I forgot. What happens if you ad

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 10:59 GMT+08:00 William Harrington : > > On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: > >> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. > > View the README in the systemd-xxx/ source directory or at /us

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 10:59 GMT+08:00 William Harrington : > > On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: > >> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. > > View the README in the systemd-xxx/ source directory or at /us

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > xinglp wrote: >> When boot into systemd, got the below message: > > Lets work the problems one at a time. > >> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. >>

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > When boot into systemd, got the below message: Lets work the problems one at a time. > [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. > See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. > ---split--- > root [ ~ ]# systemctl status

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread William Harrington
On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: > [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. > See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. View the README in the systemd-xxx/ source directory or at /usr/share/ systemd-xxx/README and make sure your kernel op

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
When boot into systemd, got the below message: [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. ---split--- root [ ~ ]# systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service -

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 08:35:34PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > > I'm now sufficiently interested by this to try a _minimal_ build > > (i.e. LFS and not much else - many of the things I normally build > > before rebooting have their own local bootscripts, which will > > pro

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:44:22PM +0200, Denis Mugnier wrote: > On 04/04/2014 18:41, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Denis Mugnier wrote: > >> > >> It is possible to integrate eudev on the BLFS book to provide a solution > >> without the systemd package? > > Not without changing the flow. I understand the

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 11:49:14AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > >> The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are named > >> set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are > >> a lot of changes there. >

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Denis Mugnier
On 04/04/2014 18:41, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Denis Mugnier wrote: >> Hi >> >> On 04/04/2014 02:02, Ken Moffat wrote: >>> I'm sorry to see eudev disappear from the book after its brief >>> appearance, but more power to your elbow for providing the two >>> alternative init systems. >> I'm sorry too.

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: >> The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are named >> set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are >> a lot of changes there. > > Why /usr/local ? They will be an intrinsic part of LFS if this all

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Denis Mugnier wrote: > Hi > > On 04/04/2014 02:02, Ken Moffat wrote: >>I'm sorry to see eudev disappear from the book after its brief >> appearance, but more power to your elbow for providing the two >> alternative init systems. > I'm sorry too. > > It is possible to integrate eudev on the BLFS

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Pierre Labastie wrote: >> -- Bruce > Built using jhalfs, with all final testsuites: > Errors (FWIW): > - glibc : 2 errors (+ 2 ignored), seems as usual > - coreutils : 1 error (test/misc/nohup) > - bash (a few, not sure, seems similar to usual) > - bc (a few, similar to usual) > - systemd : 2

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Denis Mugnier
Hi On 04/04/2014 02:02, Ken Moffat wrote: > I'm sorry to see eudev disappear from the book after its brief > appearance, but more power to your elbow for providing the two > alternative init systems. I'm sorry too. It is possible to integrate eudev on the BLFS book to provide a solution withou

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Pierre Labastie
/usr/local/sbin and are named > set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are > a lot of changes there. > > The lfs-bootscripts now also install the needed systemd unit for > bringing up the network. > > I've done a render of the book on the

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
ool}-systemd /sbin/${tool} > should be > ln -sfvn ${tool}-systemd /sbin/${tool} Also fixed at revision 10521. I've re-rendered the book on the website. Grab the new wget-list, md5sums, and lfs-bootscripts-20140404.tar.bz2. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
akhiezer wrote: >> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:11:10 -0500 >> From: Bruce Dubbs >> To: LFS Developers Mailinglist >> Subject: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev >> >> I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. >> >> The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with the >>

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-04 6:11 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : >> I'm sure there are still latent bugs in the current commit, whether they >> be in scripts, build instructions, or text. Please test this out and >> let me know of needed changes. > > set-systemd line 7 > ln -sfvn $(tool}-systemd /sbin/$

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > Some error messages during boot,sysv > Mounting virtual file systems: /runcp: cannot stat > '/lib/udev/devices/*': No such file or directory Hmm. I didn't see this. The command is: cp -a /lib/udev/devices/* /dev and I do not appear to have the /lib/udev/devices directory at al

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:11:10 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev > > I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. > > The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with the > ability to reconfigure a

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-04 6:11 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > I'm sure there are still latent bugs in the current commit, whether they > be in scripts, build instructions, or text. Please test this out and > let me know of needed changes. set-systemd line 7 ln -sfvn $(tool}-systemd /sbin/${tool} should be ln -sfv

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
ocal/sbin and are named > set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are > a lot of changes there. > > The lfs-bootscripts now also install the needed systemd unit for > bringing up the network. > > I've done a render of the book on the website, s

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > As to the size in the foreword - I think you are probably correct. Perhaps you mean the Preface. The first place I see size mentioned is in the target architectures. My, things gave grown since LFS 6.5. The size for 7.5 (64-bit) is 1.5G. We have increased the minimum

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, > > OK so LFS doesn't use anymore sysvinit, but Systemd. Incorrect. You have a choice. We install both and you can test them out and choose the one you like best. I thought the book > 9ould use an approach like the CLFS one: one chapter if you use Systemd;

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
t; Meantime, two brief comments - > >> The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are named >> set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are >> a lot of changes there. > > Why /usr/local ? They will be an intrinsic part of LFS if th

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:46:13AM +0200, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, > > OK so LFS doesn't use anymore sysvinit, but Systemd. I thought the book > 9ould use an approach like the CLFS one: one chapter if you use Systemd; > one if sysvinit (in CLFS: if you chroot; if you reboot). Given tha

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
/sbin and are named > set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are > a lot of changes there. > > The lfs-bootscripts now also install the needed systemd unit for > bringing up the network. > > I've done a render of the book on the website, so

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Ken Moffat
/usr/local/sbin and are named > set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are > a lot of changes there. Why /usr/local ? They will be an intrinsic part of LFS if this all works out. Some of us occasionally try things in /usr/local, and then wipe it all out. [

Re: [lfs-dev] Overriding gcc defaults without patches

2014-04-03 Thread Pierre Labastie
Le 03/04/2014 10:36, Christer Solskogen a écrit : > Hi! > > I'm hoping to create a LFS system with as few patches as necessary. Some of > the patches that are in use for both CLFS and LFS are. For instance the use > of > #undef STANDARD_STARTFILE_PREFIX_1 > #undef STANDARD_STARTFILE_PREFIX_2 > #def

Re: [lfs-dev] udev rules

2014-04-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 02:00:29PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I've been trying to figure out whether we need the lfs udev rules when >> transitioning to udev from systemd-211. >> >> 83-cdrom-symlinks.rules needs write_cd_rules, so those go together. >> > Taking a quick look

Re: [lfs-dev] udev rules

2014-04-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 02:00:29PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I've been trying to figure out whether we need the lfs udev rules when > transitioning to udev from systemd-211. > > 83-cdrom-symlinks.rules needs write_cd_rules, so those go together. > Taking a quick look at them, I admit I don't

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