Hiya.
I must admit to not having time to properly keep up with the list, so if
this seems out of place, that's why.
Firstly - on the matter of cheap routes into a tech job - I think it's
very easy. In my experience employers love enthusiasm and realistic
outlooks very highly. By the second thi
For those who'd like to see another perspective on women in the sciences,
especially at the college level, check this one out.
http://salon.com/books/it/2000/01/07/wellesley/index.html
It's by a Wellesley physics graduate, talking about her experiences and
those of her peers at "elite" colleges
Hi, JB,
> Maybe not at that particular company, and granted, that is a problem, but,
> honsetly, would you want to work under those conditions?
Nope. The thing is, I have. I was hired by an IT Director to work for the
Network Services Manager in one place. The man who ended up being my direc
Hi, Kelly,
>
> >Currently, if a woman wants to be in any field, and is of the proper
> >mindset, there is nothing that will keep her out...not sexism, not
> >low pay, not anythingdetermination, willpower and strength...
>
> And this is why we've had a female president? You can't tell me that
Hi, JB,
> Tell me when a suitable candidate has run for president?
IMHO, 1992. Paul Tsongas, though he was out of the running by the time my
state's primaries came around. Prior to that, probably 1980. John Anderson
was the last candidate I voted for rather than against.
> If a female ran f
>I'd really like to believe that is a general trend, and as more >women get
>opportunities in IT there will be less and less sexism.
It is sad that the state of affairs is as it is currently. But, it does
appear to be changing. There are several major companies here in Houston
with almost e
>It has a lot to do with it. I suspect one of the reasons Colin >Powell
>never ran was because of the fact that it would have made him >a huge
>target. I also suspect he could have been elected.
To quote CarlinColin Powell is openly white, but he happens to be black.
General Powell woul
"Caitlyn Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was good enough to earn the guy's respect, but it took time, and when a
> really good offer elsewhere came up, I moved on. Thankfully, over the last
> several years, I've worked for really good people who look at one thing
> only: the quality of
Hi, Robert,
>
> I don't think it's a question of "respect" and "sexism." I think more
> appropriate words would be "abuse," and "repression."
When no woman in the group, one of whom was the most talented network person
I have ever met, can suggest an idea and have it accepted or adopted, yet
whe
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> When no woman in the group, one of whom was the most talented network person
> I have ever met, can suggest an idea and have it accepted or adopted, yet
> when a man can present the identical idea and have it listened to and
> implemented, I call it sex
>but i've certainly noticed that my male coworker/supervisor has to >repeat
>my ideas to a group full of men before they're taken >seriously
This is not just a sexist thing...I have, several times, made a suggestion
that was shot down or denegrated, then a few weeks later, the exact same
t
"Caitlyn Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really? You mean a rich woman cannot understand sexism
No. I mean that neither gender has a monopoly or greed,
or cynicism. What other causes of discrimination are
there?
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
>
> No. I mean that neither gender has a monopoly or greed,
> or cynicism. What other causes of discrimination are
> there?
Mainly ignorance. I've always thought that was the main cause of most
discrimination and prejudice.
"You mean Jews don't have horns"
-Caity
[EMAIL
Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> > No. I mean that neither gender has a monopoly or greed,
> > or cynicism. What other causes of discrimination are
> > there?
>
> Mainly ignorance. I've always thought that was the main cause of most
> discrimination and prejudice.
Pride? Insecurity? A combination of
"Caitlyn Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mainly ignorance. I've always thought that was the main cause of most
> discrimination and prejudice.
IIRC, this discussion began when some (male) poster sent some old,
reworked rhetoric about how males made intrinsically better IT workers
than wo
Robert Kiesling wrote:
>
> IIRC, this discussion began when some (male) poster sent some old,
> reworked rhetoric about how males made intrinsically better IT workers
> than women, or something like that. Incidentally, the military was
> associated with it... I'm not sure how.
This subject
> > And this is why we've had a female president? You can't tell me that
> > there haven't been any women with the proper mindset, determination,
> > willpower, and strength.
>
> Yet in the U.S., one of the countries where women supposedly
> have achieved equality, a female Presidential candid
Current Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility newsletter
(http://www.cpsr.org/) focuses on gender issues in computing -- I found this
link from Slashdot, which is a nice change from their usual take on the place
of women in computing. I'm in the process of downloading a few articles;
For those of you who don't read slashdot:
There's an interesting article entitled "Gender in the Internet Age" at:
http://www.cpsr.org/publications/newsletters/issues/2000/Winter2000/
and the ensuing slashdot discussion is at:
http://slashdot.org/articles/00/01/07/0920224.shtml
**
Okay, I suppose it's time someone put their money where their good
intentions are. I'd like to offer an example of how a lack of imagination
nearly resulted in yet another all-male development group:
I was moaning to a female friend of mine last night about the trouble I've
been having finding so
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