Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-24 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > The only real reason for it now is to ensure parental support for > children. With DNA-based paternity testing, that's also no longer > necessary. Bingo. Hopefully, the days of sterile men paying for their wife's affair are coming to an end. --

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-24 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:16:39 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >The reason the state got into licensing relationships can be tracked >back to the 1700s in England when men left their families, moved to >another town, and started over. That's the only reason people >published

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-24 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if Erin Clarke [...] > It is more than I can ever hope to encompass in any one email reply... [=^J Sounds like me, though I'd just call myself a scientist, and a gentle person. Perhaps I can call myself 'spiritual' instead :) I've been reading a lot about systems thinking recently (Capra's 'Web

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-24 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > Well, I think the state should get out of the marriage business > altogether. That would take away a large part of the desire of > religious organizations to be recognized by the state in the first > place. (The other reason is probably priest-pen

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-24 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Jeff wrote: > Yes. I am a kibologist (all of you familiar with a.r.k are cringing > right now...). You are NOT allowed. :) -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net "That doesn't make sense in any meaning of 'sense' with which I'm familiar"

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-24 Thread Jenn V.
Rik Hemsley wrote: > #if Erin > > Snarfblat wrote: > > > On a > > > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious? > > > > I am spiritual but not religious. > > I am neither. Sometimes I wish I was religious. Then perhaps I wouldn't > have to think about the Universe so much. Bzzzt

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-23 Thread Erin Clarke
On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 12:54:50AM +, Rik Hemsley wrote: > #if Erin > > I am spiritual but not religious. > > I am neither. Sometimes I wish I was religious. Then perhaps I wouldn't > have to think about the Universe so much. I thoroughly enjoy thinking about the Universe... > > Principall

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread TeknoDragon
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Jenny Brown (was Gable) wrote: > sometimes gender-balanced, sometimes tending more toward women. It's also > not constrictive. In general it encouarges learning about other things, generally speaking this is one reason that I decided that I wasn't wiccan, rather my/our own b

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:36:00 -0800 (PST), TeknoDragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >if you are referring to the ULC they do have a few select doctrines, >that all basically can be summarized as "the priesthood of all >believers"... ULC does have a "doctrine" but it's only there because the states r

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-23 Thread Jeff
On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 07:36:38AM +1100, Jenn V. wrote: > > > Snarfblat wrote: > > > > On a > > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious? Yes. I am a kibologist (all of you familiar with a.r.k are cringing right now...). Actually, to be serious, I am religious/spiritual --

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread TeknoDragon
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > I was ordained over the Internet, actually. I am aware that by doing > so I joined a church. The church I joined has no doctrine and exists if you are referring to the ULC they do have a few select doctrines, that all basically can be summarized

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:53:46 -0500 (EST), Bad Mojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Recognition isn't all bad. It does allow a church the ability to do >many things important. Tax free contributions, marriage under law, >etc. You can get the tax free thing without being a church. >When you get orda

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread Bad Mojo
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > I would never be a member of any church which sought recognition with > the state as a church, except for a church whose sole reason for > existing is to obtain recognition from the state. IMO, the act of > seeking recognition imposes hierarchy and

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-23 Thread Rik Hemsley
#if Erin > Snarfblat wrote: > > > > On a > > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious? > > I am spiritual but not religious. I am neither. Sometimes I wish I was religious. Then perhaps I wouldn't have to think about the Universe so much. > Principally, and in my understandi

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:57:25 -0600 (EST), "Jenny Brown (was Gable)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I'm Wiccan; it's somewhat organized, legally recognized, and varies >from quite traditional to quite liberal. I don't accept the tag "Wiccan" as defining anything. There are so many types of "Wiccan

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-23 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Erin wrote: > Snarfblat wrote: > > On a > > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious? > > I am spiritual but not religious. I am a mix of spiritual and religious, which is probably best explained by the fact that I'm an agnostic polytheist. Thus, I consid

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread Sean Garrett (MBD)
dont know if anyone else has read terry pratchets "Small Gods" but the one of the things said in the book rings true for me namely that organisation of a 'religion' tends to kill the escense (sp?) of it. ( it is a comedic fantasy tho ) things said in jest etc. Sean -- "Real Program

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)

2000-02-23 Thread Erin
Snarfblat wrote: > > On a > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious? I am spiritual but not religious. Principally, and in my understanding, religion is the organizational strucure of people and practices/rituals, while spirituality is a way of being open to/part of the my

Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article))

2000-02-23 Thread Jenny Brown (was Gable)
> Snarfblat wrote: > > On a > > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious? Yes > > In my > > experience, organized religion is a very patriarchial and constrictive > > environment, which I would imagine, would put off most people here. > > Is > > there a near mutual exclusion