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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:52:08 -0800
From: Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: Penguin Chaos
To: Nicole Zimmerman <[EM
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Original Message
From: Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: Penguin Chaos
To: Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)
> Couldn't find anything on the show, though.
F
> > There was a great documentary on the TV/TS lifestyle on the Discovery
> > channel (it just ended and I am sure it will be repeated).
>
> I'm going to have to make a point of watching it.
According to my http://www.tvguide.com/listings it will be repeated
tonight at 2:00 AM PST. It is called
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:12:31 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>An interesting experience was brought up at the end: a male to
>>female post-op was working as a computer programmer. After the
>>operation, her salary decreased by $2000. My mouth definitely
>>dropped open!
>T
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> There was a great documentary on the TV/TS lifestyle on the Discovery
> channel (it just ended and I am sure it will be repeated).
I'm going to have to make a point of watching it.
> An interesting experience was brought up at the end: a male to fe
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:29:17 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Steve, this list isn't about YOUR alienation, no matter how real it
> >may be.
>
> >It's about OUR alienation.
>
> Well, to an extent he's experiencing a less
> Kelly (who understands alienation better than anyone has any right
> to...)
There was a great documentary on the TV/TS lifestyle on the Discovery
channel (it just ended and I am sure it will be repeated).
An interesting experience was brought up at the end: a male to female
post-op was working
> > point to make. Then came the adult linux thing, and suddenly I thought,
> > 'Oh, *I* see.' I felt that one was a calculated prelude to the other.
>
> I'm not sure if it was that calculated other than "I need to introduce
> myself first." ::shrug::
(to Deirdre) Given your insight on the mat
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:29:17 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Steve, this list isn't about YOUR alienation, no matter how real it
>may be.
>It's about OUR alienation.
Well, to an extent he's experiencing a lesser alienation female geeks
sometimes feel: alienation from mor
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:19:04 -0500, Steve Kudlak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Steve adds, he will have to use spell correctors. I am pretty burnout
>today. Really bad. I am sick of companies and their uptightness, I
>will have to pick a loose company, should I change. I am loose, came
>out of that
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Cat wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> > Nothing stops the conversation around here faster than some CMOTW [1]
> > (who obviously doesn't get it) posting a lot of things that create what
> > is basically noise. And then everything stops.
>
> I absolute
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> Nothing stops the conversation around here faster than some CMOTW [1]
> (who obviously doesn't get it) posting a lot of things that create what
> is basically noise. And then everything stops.
I absolutely agree with your observation. Notice how we
On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
::plonk::
Next?
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
"Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator
"That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal
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On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> Well let's see, my emotional,. really got the best of me,
Steve, this list isn't about YOUR alienation, no matter how real it may
be.
It's about OUR alienation.
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
"Mars has bee
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> >
> > > But U have tons of John Malloy (dress for success) telling me how to
> > > dress. Beyond common decency boradly considered. I have been upbraided
> > > in tnetervies and walked out because of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > Steve Kudlak wrote:
> >
> > There are a lot of places where differentness *isn't* tolerated and I
> > suspect that if you just don't "fit in" that would be uncomfortable. Some
> > areas of the country are more formal than others.
>
> One thi
Nothing stops the conversation around here faster than some CMOTW [1]
(who obviously doesn't get it) posting a lot of things that create what
is basically noise. And then everything stops.
This is all too similar to what happened at our second Bay Area Linuxchix
meeting[2]. In the first meeting,
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> There are a lot of places where differentness *isn't* tolerated and I
> suspect that if you just don't "fit in" that would be uncomfortable. Some
> areas of the country are more formal than others.
One thing to remember is that we cannot change any
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> I better go back to the West Coast of NOrth AMerica, high rents,
> housing problems and all. Maybe even Ottowa. MY curerent environment is
> diriving me to literal tears. Everytime I thing I got it all down,
> something blows up and drive me to almost li
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
>
> You know, if you're not in San Francisco, perhaps you should be. There is
> a tolerance here for differentness that I haven't seen elsewhere.
>
> --
> _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
> "Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G.
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Rachel Greenham wrote:
> > You can also dress too casually and yet still be too stuffy for almost
> > any company. For example, I was once flown to a place where I wore a skirt
> > suit and a bright blouse -- but I found out when I arrived that it was
> > strictly a grey-suit
BEING INTENSELY DIFFERENT IS THE THING TO DO...
It really seems the only way real progress is made. Sometimes mistakes are made
that way.
I try underastand all the obejctification stuff sometimes I get it. Sometimss
no. I will try to be kind but sometimes I miss points that others see that are
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > But U have tons of John Malloy (dress for success) telling me how to
> > dress. Beyond common decency boradly considered. I have been upbraided
> > in tnetervies and walked out because of this. Please tell me what I am
> >
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > But U have tons of John Malloy (dress for success) telling me how to
> > dress. Beyond common decency boradly considered. I have been upbraided
> > in tnetervies and walked out because of this. Please tell me what I am
>
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> This has been a personal issue for me for ages. I tend to think that it
> is turning be into an object, close to a slave to be forced to wear
> cetain clothese non-volunarity.
OK, trying to relate the earlier thread, THIS is what MOST women feel like
wh
On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> But U have tons of John Malloy (dress for success) telling me how to
> dress. Beyond common decency boradly considered. I have been upbraided
> in tnetervies and walked out because of this. Please tell me what I am
> missing, gentluyy. Why do I have to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > P.S>. It is a geek issue we dress unlik others. Why do I have to make people in
> > personell happy, and why should I care...other than just raw power, and what is
> > difference between she got hired for her looks and he for his clothese. OT
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> P.S>. It is a geek issue we dress unlik others. Why do I have to make people in
> personell happy, and why should I care...other than just raw power, and what is
> difference between she got hired for her looks and he for his clothese. OTher
> than one is easier to change...
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > > Ya know Steve, you seem to be missing the overall point. :)
> >
> > Well I take that as a joke. I mean we are more than out physical looks.
> > Because, as I mentioned some in some other message
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > > Ya know Steve, you seem to be missing the overall point. :)
> >
> > Well I take that as a joke. I mean we are more than out physical looks.
> > Because, as I mentioned some in some other message
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