Hi!
> I think there is value in reducing the number of ‘bundled’ things,
> particularly given that Debian (and thus Ubuntu), Centos and OS X all
> distribute PEAR/PECL as a separate package. On the Linux distro's
> it’s a separate (but possibly “recommended” by php-cli etc) package.
> On OSX there
> On 5 Sep 2016, at 11:19, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
>> I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and remove
>
> What would be achieved by this? I'm not sure about status of PEAR -
> frankly, didn't touch it for a long time - but if composer replaces most
> of i
Hi!
> I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and remove
What would be achieved by this? I'm not sure about status of PEAR -
frankly, didn't touch it for a long time - but if composer replaces most
of it, it may be ok to remove by-default install of pear tools. Though
I'm
Hi!
> Incorrect. There is a web interface which I use EXCLUSIVELY to maintain
> the contents of my PEAR library. Any proposed replacement which does not
> have a web interface I'm afraid is totally unacceptable. Command line
> interfaces went out of fashion when the Windows OS was first released,
2016-09-04 22:38 GMT+02:00 Fleshgrinder :
> On 9/4/2016 2:29 PM, Michał Brzuchalski wrote:
> >> Providing `mutator` | `mut` keyword as method modifier sounds liek a
> good
> >> idea,
> >> althought passing `$clone` parameter as first additional param could
> break
> >> method declaration and would
On Sun, Sep 4, 2016, 7:09 PM Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> 2016. szept. 2. 21:58 ezt írta ("James Gilliland" ):
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:33 PM Davey Shafik wrote:
> >
> > > Hi internals,
> > >
> > > I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and
> remove
> > > in 8.0), as w
2016. szept. 2. 21:58 ezt írta ("James Gilliland" ):
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:33 PM Davey Shafik wrote:
>
> > Hi internals,
> >
> > I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and
remove
> > in 8.0), as well as add composer/pickle (optional in 7.2, default in
7.3+)
> > in t
On 9/4/2016 2:29 PM, Michał Brzuchalski wrote:
>> Providing `mutator` | `mut` keyword as method modifier sounds liek a good
>> idea,
>> althought passing `$clone` parameter as first additional param could break
>> method declaration and would be misleading.
>>
>> Assuming mutator method is designed
Jordan,
This was a choice they made, yet the author of the Debian/Ubuntu packages
has side-by-side installable versions from 5.5-7.1 in his own PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
It's not only currently feasible, it has been done, the _project_ chose not
to do it.
- Davey
O
On 04/09/2016 01:54, Davey Shafik wrote:
No need to apologize, thank you for defending my idea and so
eloquently — I will amend the RFC with your earlier suggestions; being
as I will do so almost verbatim, would you mind being added as a
co-author? I think it's a substantial contribution :)
T
On 04/09/2016 09:38, Tony Marston wrote:
A1) A command-line package management tool for installing and
updating packages of PHP code over the Internet.
Incorrect. There is a web interface which I use EXCLUSIVELY to
maintain the contents of my PEAR library.
Do you mean there's an HTML control
On 9/2/16 3:32 PM, Davey Shafik wrote:
Hi internals,
I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and remove
in 8.0),
Yes!
It's good for the software (and its users) if it is maintained and
contributed to using _currently_prevailing_conventions_ in f/oss.
as well as ad
2016-09-04 14:10 GMT+02:00 Michał Brzuchalski :
>
>
> 2016-09-04 10:55 GMT+02:00 Fleshgrinder :
>
>> Hi Chris!
>>
>> On 9/3/2016 5:00 PM, Chris Riley wrote:
>> > - Properties can be declared immutable. Immutable properties may only be
>> > changed under two circumstances: a) In the objects constru
2016-09-04 10:55 GMT+02:00 Fleshgrinder :
> Hi Chris!
>
> On 9/3/2016 5:00 PM, Chris Riley wrote:
> > - Properties can be declared immutable. Immutable properties may only be
> > changed under two circumstances: a) In the objects constructor b) If they
> > are null (This enables setter injection i
> On 4 Sep 2016, at 6:48 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> On 03/09/16 22:53, Rowan Collins wrote:
>> I guess we could have a philosophical debate about what it means for
>> something to be "the standard" rather than "a standard", and whether
>> PEAR was "more official" than PHP-FIG, and just who get
Tony Marston schrieb am So., 4. Sep. 2016, 10:38:
> "Rowan Collins" wrote in message
> news:b3bd7acf-a525-d921-1b1b-64ccf94b8...@gmail.com...
> >
> >On 02/09/2016 20:32, Davey Shafik wrote:
> >> I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and
> >> remove
> >> in 8.0), as well
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 at 20:33 Davey Shafik wrote:
>
> I believe that pickle solves the issues with regards to pecl, and have run
> the idea passed Jordi and Pierre. Both are fine with this RFC. :)
>
> I understand that adding in composer/pickle is just setting us up for
> having a future "Deprecate
Hi Chris!
On 9/3/2016 5:00 PM, Chris Riley wrote:
> - Properties can be declared immutable. Immutable properties may only be
> changed under two circumstances: a) In the objects constructor b) If they
> are null (This enables setter injection if required)
>
The constraint b) would make the object
On 03/09/16 22:53, Rowan Collins wrote:
> I guess we could have a philosophical debate about what it means for
> something to be "the standard" rather than "a standard", and whether
> PEAR was "more official" than PHP-FIG, and just who gets to decide what
> PHP is.
>
> But once again, I find mysel
"Rowan Collins" wrote in message
news:b3bd7acf-a525-d921-1b1b-64ccf94b8...@gmail.com...
On 02/09/2016 20:32, Davey Shafik wrote:
I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and
remove
in 8.0), as well as add composer/pickle (optional in 7.2, default in
7.3+)
in their plac
I can see your argument for using prefix, but that would not provide a
solution to package maintainers who may want to give their users a choice.
I was recently surprised when upgrading from Ubuntu 14 to 16 that it
replaced PHP 5 with 7 entirely. They were forced into choosing between the
two at a
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