The problem is that some of those are incomplete, not z/OS, or not up to date.
I'd like to see z/OS positioned to use the full range of current
implementations of popular languages and interpreters, e.g., MoarVM, Qobe. What
I'd really like is for IBM et al to work with CPAN et al to get z/OS cha
Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe for a
similar parody on our own times.
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Farley, Peter
And of course the whole point of Colossus, Dr Strangelove, War
Games, Terminator, Forbidden Planet, Battlestar Galactica, etc. was to
try to make it clear to all the non-engineers and non-programmers (all
of whom greatly outnumber us) why putting lethal force in the hands of
any autonomous or
Hello,
on our new z/OS V2.4 we plan to set IGDSMSxx parameter PDSE_VERSION(2) to have
V2 PDSEs as default. Therefore I would like to know, if there are any known
issues out there, which are reason for don't do this setting.
Thanks in advance for any hints.
Kind regards
Juergen
Well done JoelI agree , But I can help to to be curious about the
future of AI.
a bit of Isaac Asimov
Scott
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:25 AM Joel C. Ewing wrote:
> And of course the whole point of Colossus, Dr Strangelove, War
> Games, Terminator, Forbidden Planet, Battlestar Galac
If you have done a FIXCAT on the various PDSE categories, there should't be a
problem.I held off implementing V2 on z/OS V2R3 to avoid OA56730 (GDG extended
and orphan generations), but it looks like that is integral to V2R4.
David
-Original Message-
From: Juergen Kehr
To: IBM-MAIN@LI
Seymour,
Oh yes sir
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:54 AM Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe for a
> similar parody on our own times.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
>
Elect a clown get a circus
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:08 AM scott Ford wrote:
> Seymour,
>
> Oh yes sir
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:54 AM Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
>> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe for a
>> similar parody on our own times.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
I've greatly enjoyed Asimov's vision of future possibilities, but when I
step back to reality it occurs to me that his perfect laws of robotics
would have to be implemented by fallible human programmers. Even if
well-intentioned, how would they unambiguously convey to a robot the
concepts of "huma
Joel - can we please keep politics out of this listserv. Personally I wouldn't
trust anyone in power to act against their own self interests and that applies
to politicians and anyone else with power (as in money, influence, etc.).
There are altruistic individuals in the world and when it comes
Can be said for both sides of the spectrum. This is a mainframe forum, not a
political one. Let's keep it that way.
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scott Ford
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:09 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: D
Joel,
I agree I am a huge sci-fi fan and believe in the sciences over utter
stupidity.
Lionel your point is well taken. I am guilty too, but when you have strong
feelings , which sometimes part of ADHD , it’s called RSD ( Reject
Sensitive Dysphoria ).
I have both ...
Scott
On Mon, May 11, 2020 a
For me, my blood type is B+, and I tend to look on the positive side of things
- including giving most the benefit of the doubt and hoping for the best. Sadly
my short/long term memory failures have not erased lessons learned from
granting trust when it shouldn't have been granted.
Enough said
All,
I agree I am a huge sci-fi fan and believe in the sciences over utter
stupidity.
Lionel your point is well taken. I am guilty too, but when you have strong
feelings , which sometimes part of ADHD , it’s called RSD ( Reject
Sensitive Dysphoria ).
I have both ...
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:48
Lionel,
Out of respect for all, oh yes me too...I have made mistakes like enough
one.
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:54 AM Lionel B Dyck wrote:
> For me, my blood type is B+, and I tend to look on the positive side of
> things - including giving most the benefit of the doubt and hoping for the
> b
Steve,
What’s the RC=2816 ?
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 3:32 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
> Carmen said - make sure the OMVS segment in RACF home directory exists
>
>
>
> that was it mostly
>
>
>
> $HASP395 IZUSVR1 ENDED - RC=2816
>
>
>
> Now I’m getting a BUNCH of
>
>
>
> JOB=IZUSVR11 STEP=STEP1
Seymour,
Yes sir no balance between Money and quality of life per se. I feel
computer languages are our tools to get the job done. But one has to plan ,
work the plan, basically execute it. This is how I learned working IBM in
NYC ...it works IMHO..
Scott
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:58 AM Seymour
Look up the story "I, Robot". From memory, I believe it is also an Isaac Asimov
story
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Joel C. Ewing
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:12 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Develope
Alan,
Yes sir, ‘I Robot’ is great story.
Scott
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:10 PM Allan Staller
wrote:
> Look up the story "I, Robot". From memory, I believe it is also an Isaac
> Asimov story
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf
> Of Joel C. Ewing
> S
B00
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:59 scott Ford wrote:
> Steve,
>
> What’s the RC=2816 ?
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 3:32 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
>
> > Carmen said - make sure the OMVS segment in RACF home directory exists
> >
> >
> >
> > that was it mostly
> >
> >
> >
> > $HASP395 IZUSVR1 ENDE
I'll cheerfully leave political partisanship aside. But if I may attribute
this equally to both sides (and thus avoid partisanship), I'm with Joel ~and~
Lionel on this. Most folks who misuse their power start out, at least, in
hopes of doing good. What I'm saying is that although we value alt
It’s a problem with the Liberty zFS and starting all the Plugins
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Of scott Ford
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:59 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FW: zOSMF
Steve,
What’s the RC
An even better story ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adolescence_of_P-1
Joe
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:31 AM Bob Bridges wrote:
> I'll cheerfully leave political partisanship aside. But if I may
> attribute this equally to both sides (and thus avoid partisanship), I'm
> with Joel ~and~
Steve,
Good you found it..
Scott
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:46 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
> It’s a problem with the Liberty zFS and starting all the Plugins
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of scott Ford
> Sent: Mond
Joe,
Yeah I read it, it’s a great book along with “The Martian”, couldn’t put
the Martian down.
Scott
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Joe Monk wrote:
> An even better story ...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adolescence_of_P-1
>
> Joe
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:31 AM Bob Bridges
>
Hi Joe,
You beat me to it!
Regards,
David
On 2020-05-11 12:57, Joe Monk wrote:
An even better story ...
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Adolescence_of_P-1&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca75858d79d87417845d108d7f5cc8165%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa
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Is there a way to save the current swapbar contents, and restore it
on next logon ?
Mike
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On 5/11/2020 9:42 AM, Juergen Kehr wrote:
Hello,
on our new z/OS V2.4 we plan to set IGDSMSxx parameter PDSE_VERSION(2) to have
V2 PDSEs as default. Therefore I would like to know, if there are any known
issues out there, which are reason for don't do this setting.
Thanks in advance for any hi
>From 46 years of experience, these problems can be mostly traced to little, if
>any, documentation. Is there correct system documentation? Is there correct
>file/data base documentation? Is there correct operational documentation? Is
>there correct program documentation? Are the programs d
Hi
I have a 3290 terminal that I'd like to put to some use. See email
thread 'Talking to 3270 terminals?' that I started Jan 14.
Somebody then pointed me to oec[1], which is an awesome project. I have
built the hardware interface that is required to talk to a 3270 terminal
on the hardware level
[Default] On 11 May 2020 10:57:42 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
poodles...@sbcglobal.net (Dan at Poodles) wrote:
In addition to documentation is there a good set of test data and is
it kept current? One of my biggest problems in doing applications
upgrade was figuring out how to test the dang t
You both hit ,the nail on the head
Scott
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:29 PM Clark Morris wrote:
> [Default] On 11 May 2020 10:57:42 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> poodles...@sbcglobal.net (Dan at Poodles) wrote:
>
> In addition to documentation is there a good set of test data and is
> it
Hi Alex
I’m familiar with SNA DFT and in a previous life released several products that
utilized it. I’ll look back at some old docs I have to see if there is
anything worth while sending you. As I said we did 2 products. One was
called the “Port-Xpander” and basically looked like a DFT Ter
[Default] On 7 May 2020 19:02:28 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
che...@watsonwalker.com (Cheryl Watson Walker) wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>
>
>We'll I'm a little embarrassed. I was just told offline about a link that
>Lionel Dyck posted here last October that described the coming of the calamity
>that
> Most 3270 terminals seem to be of the (simpler) CUT variant.
I doubt it. Certainly all of these are DFT.
• IBM 3179 G Color Graphic Display Station
• IBM 3192 G Color Graphics Display Station
• IBM 3193 Display Station
• IBM 3194 Display Terminal
• IBM 3290 Information Panel
• IBM 3270 Personal
Some of us took our own backups and re-hosted them...
Cheers, Martin
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Don't forget change logs.
I once had to pick up documentation from someone who was into racing was in a
coma for several years. I helped to instill in me the idea that you do the
documentation first, and that if you need to revise the design or code, you
revise the documentation first. In my dr
Another luxury: get some people to perform a walk-through of the just the
documentation. You can include folks who don't even know the language, COBOL or
otherwise.
.
.
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I hated it; that level of AI on a 360/75? To say nothing of just reeking of
sympathetic magic.
BTW, the wiki article got the origin of the name wrong; it was P-1 because it
ran in partition (remember those) 1. Does anybody know whether Waterloo was
actually running MVT on their 75, as seems lik
Well, I've been on projects where we had code and design reviews, and we
considered them necessities.
"Luxury: I'll be somewhere else when the balloon goes up."
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On Mon, 11 May 2020 19:40:42 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Don't forget change logs.
>
>I once had to pick up documentation from someone who was into racing was in a
>coma for several years. I helped to instill in me the idea that you do the
>documentation first, and that if you need to revise t
"There's never time to do it right but there's always time to do it over." Yes,
the quality of the plan and its enforcement makes a big difference in the
outcome.
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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Yep, I agree
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:06 PM Seymour J Metz wrote:
> "There's never time to do it right but there's always time to do it over."
> Yes, the quality of the plan and its enforcement makes a big difference in
> the outcome.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~
Remember that it was fiction, and that Asimov's field was biochemistry. His
stories have a good deal of bafflegab in them, but the key question is whether
you enjoyed them; I did. I found the gimmick of laws that we don't even know
how to interpret, never mind implement, far less distracting tha
I was on a chemistry site, and posted asking about a source of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotimoline . Someone actually emailed
me they had some, so I asked how quick did it dissolve in water. They
didn't reply.
At the end of his Chemistry PhD Thesis defense, the questioners asked
about it
Alex,
What you have in that interface is a simple protocol translator ...
translating bi-directional TN3270 to 3270 Data Stream. That is great to
drive a 3270 dumb terminal.
The first thing you need is to emulate a real control unit ... like a 3174
or 3274.
If you read the product letter:
https:
TN3270 encapsulates the 3270 data stream; there's no translation involved.
Implementing CUT or DFT is a different translation, and that is apparently what
oec does. Think of TN3270 as an alternative to channel, BSC or SDLC links.
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I understand that.
The interface board he is using translates TN3270 to straight 3270 data
stream. So, since he wants to connect a 3290, he will need to download
microcode before he can use the 3290. Thus, he needs to emulate a 3x74
controller with am ethernet connection (TN3270E) to VTAM/NCP...
But what about the AI that develops autonomously? Remember Mike (Mycroft) from
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (Heinlein) and TANSTAAFL (still true today - so
many people forget). AI might not be "developed" directly, which then rules out
having any "rules".
Russell
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Fro
Not if by "straight 3270 data stream" you mean what is documented in 3270
Information Display System Data Stream Programmer's Reference; that's not what
flows over the coax. The board and oec translate between the coax data stream
and the documented 3270 data stream. In addition to that, oec use
Well, Heinlein's explanation was bafflegab, but think neural nets; they have to
be trained rather than programmed.
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Russe
Shmuel Metz wrote:
>The problem is that some of those are incomplete, not z/OS,
>or not up to date.
1. Would you like to be more specific? (And I don't know what you mean by
"not z/OS." I answered specifically, exclusively for z/OS.)
2. Have you tried fixing the specific issues?
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