Yes, even in Poland.
However it has nothing to do with IBM CE or field engineer. It was just
inadequate title. It could be colonel (also inadequate).
BTW: I saw "Spies Like Us" and remember the greeting. "Doctor - doctor.
Doctor - doctor ...and doctor". :-)
In Poland it is typical to call th
A doctor doesn’t necessarily mean a medical doctor. Many disciplines offer
doctoral degrees.
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wrote:
No, it is not offensive to use proper names and descriptions.
I respect IBM CE work, however I'm not go
No, it is not offensive to use proper names and descriptions.
I respect IBM CE work, however I'm not going to call them "doctor".
Guess why.
BTW: I also respect plumbers, nurses, teachers, bus drivers, application
programmers, etc.
Last but not least I presented Polish rules for naming enginee
Hi Radoslaw,
If it helps, here is a link to the Washington Accord & its signatories.
You might want to follow up from there.
https://www.ieagreements.org/accords/washington/
Cheers, Chris
On 16/10/2021 12:28, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
> Definitely. When I see soldering, screws, etc. I thin
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You guys are doing a lot of disservice to IBM customer engineers everywhere.
Thomas Watson named the
Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’
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A point of clarification. A lot of this revolves around the day to day meaning
of 'engineer'. I have never encountered a shop that sends out systems MTS folks
to to open up a hardware box with screwdriver and soldering iron in ord
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A point of clarification. A lot of this revolves around the day to day meaning
of 'engineer'. I have never encountered a shop that sends out systems MTS folks
to to open up a hardware box with screwdriver and soldering iron in order to
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A point of clarification. A lot of this revolves around the day to day
meaning of 'engineer'. I have never encountered a shop that sends out
systems MTS folks to to open up a hardware box with screwdriver and
soldering iron in order to upgrade or downgrade or repair a Z box. That
practice is SOP in
Hi Bruce,
I am in the UK. AFAIK CEng is protected by law world-wide (Washington
Accord) but not all countries or states recognise it. E.g. Texas admits
only the TX PE (Professional Engineer) accreditation and prohibits using
the title 'engineer' if not PE licensed, whereas Idaho does recognise
CE
Oh good--it's Friday, a good day to mention that I was once titled "OS
Whisperer", but not for long :-)
Roops
On Fri., Oct. 15, 2021, 05:30 Bruce Hewson,
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> Hi Chris,
>
> In which country or countries is your statement correct?
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:25:10 +0100, CM Poncelet
> wrot
Hi Chris,
In which country or countries is your statement correct?
On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:25:10 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote:
>Anyone can call himself an engineer (e.g. a motor mechanic etc.) It is
>illegal for anyone to call himself a *Chartered Engineer* (CEng) without
>being qualified and regis
Anyone can call himself an engineer (e.g. a motor mechanic etc.) It is
illegal for anyone to call himself a *Chartered Engineer* (CEng) without
being qualified and registered as such with an accredited Engineering
institution. HTH.
Chris Poncelet CEng MBCS CITP
On 14/10/2021 17:59, Radoslaw S
W dniu 12.10.2021 o 18:24, Tom Brennan pisze:
When I started the work I'm currently doing with an IBM business
partner, they made a card for me that said:
Sr. zEngineer
IBM zEnterprise Practice
Well... When my team started to work for external customers we created
business cards. There was
I strongly prefer Systems Administrator over Systems Programmer.
Reason: people think Systems Programmer is just Application Developer.
Programmer writes programs. In COBOL or .NET.
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W dniu 13.10.2021 o 19:19, Carmen Vitullo pisze:
The company I am currentl
HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies
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I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn&#
My personal favorite title to cover the security admin functions I did, way
back in the dark ages, was "acting assistant security administrator." My
director was on paper as the security administrator, his #2 was the assistant
security administrator but I was the one who went into RACF and did
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The company I am currently working for just revamped all the titles and clumped
us (MVS,AI
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This discussion so far has been about 'functional' titles,
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Good examples. What do we call a person who:
-- Installs a security product as delivered from the vendor
-- Tailors the product for use by the full range of users from admin to
Ah, generalist vs. specialist. 'Jack of all Trades' is synonymous with
generalist. There's no such thing as Specialist of all Trades. A renowned
ichthyologist refused to learn the names of his students on the grounds
that learning a student's name would cause him to forget the name of a
fish.
I st
Back in my day that was the systems programmer. Kind of like the old general
practitioner doctor
Matt Hogstrom
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> On Oct 13, 2021, at 15:36, Skip Robinson wrote:
>
> Good examples. What do we call a person who:
>
> -- Installs a security product as delivered from the vendor
Good examples. What do we call a person who:
-- Installs a security product as delivered from the vendor
-- Tailors the product for use by the full range of users from admin to
programmer
-- Installs and tailors vendor-supplied updates/upgrades
-- Troubleshoots problems and obtains/installs fixes
I found it helped to give examples outside of IT.
Consider the security of your site.
1. The security administrator issues badges to visitors.
2. The security systems designer/programmer sets up the systems, decides
how many attack dogs you want patrolling the site, decides if you want to
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Yes, and I hit Send too soon as well. There is a further FAQ later on the
second page that points to a page that tells you how to qualify both for actual
students and for already-experienced developers.
It's going to be an interesting t
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This discussion so far has been about 'functional' titles, as it was
intended. However, many companies also confer a 'corporate' title as well.
For example, it was common at one point for a
This discussion so far has been about 'functional' titles, as it was
intended. However, many companies also confer a 'corporate' title as well.
For example, it was common at one point for aerospace companies in Southern
California to designate everyone an 'MTS', or Member of Technical Staff.
This w
se for mainframe people, maybe even stranger.
Peter
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The company I am currently working for just
The company I am currently working for just revamped all the titles and clumped
us (MVS,AIX and WINDERS) into the same categories, I was a Lead Systems
programmer, now I'm a Systems Administrator Lead :(
Carmen Vitullo
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When I started the work I'm currently doing with an IBM business
partner, they made a card for me that said:
Sr. zEngineer
IBM zEnterprise Practice
It was so embarrassing I never gave it out to anyone and went to Kinko's
and made my own: Mainframe Technical
I'm not sure who Señor zEngineer
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> I am leaning towards "He who shall not be called after midnigh
of that fence.
Bob
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I was a Systems Engineer (with progressive title levels) for 30 years
(starting in 196
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Yes, someone on one of the Hercules lists found that page last month, then they
deleted the "Learner's Edition" i
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Found this:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/products/z-development-t
f speaking to the higher
>> ups! Speaking from personal experience on *both sides* of that fence.
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>> > Bob
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I was a Systems Engineer (with progressive title levels) for 30 years (starting
in 1966) with you-know-who, so I became a little curious about the exact
meaning of the title.
higher ups! Speaking from
personal experience on *both sides* of that fence.
Bob
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I was a Systems Engi
I was a Systems Engineer (with progressive title levels) for 30 years
(starting in 1966) with you-know-who, so I became a little curious about
the exact meaning of the title. Over the years I discovered there was
really no specific meaning to it. I am an electrical engineer but no one
ever c
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Hi Cameron,
How about Big K'nacker? (Sounds something like Conacher)
Regards,
David
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I am leaning towards "He who shall not be called after midnight without invoking his
considerable wrath", but I don't think i
I've had several different titles during my tenure at my current company.
Currently it's Systems Administrator.
Peter
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I tried o get "King" once, but that did not get very far.
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I work for Optum, a company owned by UnitedHealth Group. I am a z/OS
sysprog (regardless of title). My official title is "Systems Management
Analyst). {Blech]
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 15:28 Herring, Bobby wrote:
> I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any
> new titl
Associate Director :-)
Regards - Grant.
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there is.
Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you are. - John Wooden
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I am leaning towards "He who shall not be called after midnight without
invoking his considerable wrath", but I don't think it would fit on my card.
Brian
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On 11/10/2021 21:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any
> new titles to add to the list below.
>
> Mainframe Engineer
> Operating Systems Architect
> Software Engin
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 00:30:50 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>The nomenclature varies depending on employer and year. If your looking to
>hire, describe the position and requirements and call it whatever fits
>corporate culture.
>
For decades I was "Software Engineer". Pursuant to a corporate acq
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I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my job
title
Jerry Whitteridge
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Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies
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OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
Performing e
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I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one
elegant and
imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm
t; >
> > Jerry Whitteridge
> > jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
> > Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
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> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
> imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I
as a lot more coding involved than
there is now.
My $.02.
Rex
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OK, gettin
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> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
> imperial enough. So I bor
The current title at our shop is “IT Build analyst” or “IT Build
Specialist”.
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> I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
> imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
> Engineer.
>
Robinson
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I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
Engineer.
O
I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and
imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
Engineer.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel
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> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I reall
At $previousjob my title was Consulting Systems Specialist.
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:47 PM David Spiegel
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> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> particular.)
>
> On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss
Large Systems Infrastructure Support
Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
particular.)
On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any new
titles to add to the list below.
Mainframe Engineer
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