Sorry. FAQ says $120.00/yr On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 10:45 John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Found this: https://www.ibm.com/products/z-development-test-environment > > There is a "Learner's Edition" for "eligible students and hobbyists" just > a "Contact us" without a price. > > On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 09:46 David Spiegel <dspiegel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Bob, >> Not allowing people to run z/OS on Intel may be a larger mistake. >> >> Regards, >> David >> >> On 2021-10-12 10:36, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: >> > The biggest mistake "HAL" made was dissolving PSRs and SEs. They often >> provided the marketing folks with potential sales leads way before the >> manglers knew they needed stuff because the worker bees would ask for >> information about future HW and SW in advance of speaking to the higher >> ups! Speaking from personal experience on *both sides* of that fence. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >> Behalf Of Bill Ogden >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 10:26 AM >> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> > Subject: Re: System Programmer Titles >> > >> > I was a Systems Engineer (with progressive title levels) for 30 years >> (starting in 1966) with you-know-who, so I became a little curious about >> the exact meaning of the title. Over the years I discovered there was >> really no specific meaning to it. I am an electrical engineer but no one >> ever checked on that as a condition for the title. Other Systems Engineers >> (for the same BIG company) had various backgrounds and most were not >> Engineers in a University sense or license sense. We were usually known as >> SEs within the industry. >> > >> > As a general view (at that time, when the industry was younger and >> > different) the SEs often formed a link between the practical customer >> world (meaning technical management, sysprogs, programmers, etc) and the >> home company processes (software development, blue sky marketing, technical >> support, etc, etc). It was a good job and, in my opinion, it is a bit >> unfortunate that the particular niche has mostly disappeared. Some of us >> were more on the systems programming side (myself), some a bit on the >> technical hardware side (myself also, but this was not common), some on the >> mostly marketing side, etc, etc. It was a slightly random mixture but >> seemed to work well at the time-----but that was too many years ago! >> > >> > Today, I think one can flip coins to decide on a particular meaning for >> the title. >> > >> > Bill Ogden >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > . >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
