The nomenclature varies depending on employer and year. If your looking to hire, describe the position and requirements and call it whatever fits corporate culture.
When I started, A systems programmer was a programmer, not a systems administrator. These days a position with that title might be primarily programming or may require what I call a systems janitor; someone who's skilled with, e.g., RACF, SMP/E, VMSES, but does little or no programming. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Skip Robinson [jo.skip.robin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 5:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades. Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems Programmer'. I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a 'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot? On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge < jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com> wrote: > I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my > job title > > Jerry Whitteridge > jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com > Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop > Albertsons Companies > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf > Of Skip Robinson > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles > > I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and > imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation > Engineer. > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel <dspiegel...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Large Systems Infrastructure Support > > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in > > particular.) > > > > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote: > > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are > > any new titles to add to the list below. > > > > > > Mainframe Engineer > > > Operating Systems Architect > > > Software Engineer > > > Software Project Specialist > > > Software Specialist > > > System Analyst > > > System Architect > > > System Engineer > > > System Programmer > > > Systems Programming Specialist > > > Systems Specialist > > > Technical Advisor > > > Technical Analyst > > > Technical Services Professional > > > Technical Specialist > > > > > > What title do you have as a system programmer? > > > > > > Bobby Herring > > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > > > > > > > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. > > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. > > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh > > > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want > to > > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new > > /samples > > > and merge those as appropriate. > > > > > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS > > > OpenSSH: > > > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > < > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3EjT7UpBoFLigAk1qbuq94m7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252Fdocs%252Fpt-quick-inst%252Findex.html%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DJx%252BXTc3mHzYwn%252F2sx96TwbALtMWz8fAuPyfFcW7tyEo%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > > > > > > > > Kirk Wolf > > > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > < > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/38hZe9mQMjunvzdc8X4GQRq7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdovetail.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DUyp2%252BWnPfnfLrxuNiLr0XdI7j3LTGfwtDFvHim%252FWEgU%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais < > roberto.hal...@gmail.com > > <mailto:roberto.hal...@gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Listers: > > >> > > >> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > >> > > >> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > >> > > >> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > > >> default libraries. > > >> > > >> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > > >> the whole install again? > > >> > > >> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a > different > > >> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and > > >> execute. > > >> And later on install the new version Openssh. > > >> > > >> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > >> > > >> Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > >> > > >> Thank you. > > > > > [ > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/34CWmt4HUjvCfjCwXsSC7xN7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.txfb-ins.com%252FTFBICImages%252Fjdpower.jpg%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DoJNL%252F6MDK%252BAWZtJ9vSLuX%252Bc1SPnEzWguKcRo58A29WU%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > ] > > > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3MKjbN3yh1eeLhwZd6c8SxR7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.txfb-ins.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DjmvW8lFxWmWGMvpNsAFOzYwBAJhTppJDPfEWcCXsrl0%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > < > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3MKjbN3yh1eeLhwZd6c8SxR7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.txfb-ins.com%252F%26data%3D04%257C01%257C%257C06bd05653b2a4076928208d98cf5acaf%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%257C1%257C0%257C637695809175524138%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C1000%26sdata%3DjmvW8lFxWmWGMvpNsAFOzYwBAJhTppJDPfEWcCXsrl0%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > > > > > > > -- > > Skip Robinson > 323-715-0595 > > -- > Skip Robinson 323-715-0595 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
