Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Axel Hecht
On 5/22/14 2:12 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Matt Claypotch schrieb: # Audience The Project Meeting will switch from a 100% public call to available for all Mozillians. Doesn't that feel like we are moving to being less open? Yes and no to me. It feels like we're more open to folks we know. We'

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Till Schneidereit
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Michael Kelly wrote: > On 5/21/14 12:58 PM, Matt Claypotch wrote: > > # Audience > > > > The Project Meeting will switch from a 100% public call to available for > > all Mozillians. The goal is to have as lightweight a barrier to viewing > and > > participating in

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Larissa Shapiro
I would argue that the Project Call, while it has always been…. passively open (as in one *could* join) has not bee, during my time here, actively transparent (as in easy for a total novice to the project to navigate and gain value from) so I am not sure this is a big loss. I feel like the ways

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Larissa Shapiro
Til, I’d missed this before, and hearing that you did watch and value this is good to know - makes me redact my previous statement. I’d love to see data about how many folks like you are out there - while other sources have not shown me that the project call was a strong connection point for ne

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Till Schneidereit
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Larissa Shapiro wrote: > Til, > > I’d missed this before, and hearing that you did watch and value this is > good to know - makes me redact my previous statement. I’d love to see data > about how many folks like you are out there - while other sources have not > sh

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-05-22, 9:32 AM, Till Schneidereit wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Larissa Shapiro wrote: Til, I’d missed this before, and hearing that you did watch and value this is good to know - makes me redact my previous statement. I’d love to see data about how many folks like you are ou

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-05-22, 10:54 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-05-22, 9:32 AM, Till Schneidereit wrote: I didn't actually watch the call all that often. I did read the notes almost always, though. Hence my suggestion that we might continue publishing the notes, with an explanation that they might be sli

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Robert Kaiser
Mike Hoye schrieb: the project call happens around dinner time for Europeans As a note, when I was only a casual contributor, times like that made meetings ideal to follow for me here in Europe as I would not be in other stuff like university or such. I don't clearly remember if that meeting

RE: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Mike Connor
I like the idea of publishing redacted-if-necessary notes. We're already producing notes for the existing meetings, I'm sure we could strip out any restricted content relatively easily as a "what's going on" checkpoint for more casual observers. That said, I'm 100% in favour of the overall pus

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Mitchell Baker
gerv and i used to do this long ago ml On 5/22/14 9:21 AM, Mike Connor wrote: I like the idea of publishing redacted-if-necessary notes. We're already producing notes for the existing meetings, I'm sure we could strip out any restricted content relatively easily as a "what's going on" checkpoi

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Matt Claypotch
There are topics we are not permitted to discuss in a fully public forum but can share with any self-identifying Mozilla community member. The goal is to strike a balance between opening up information beyond staff-only meetings and ease of access for interested parties. I'm trying to figure out w

Re: Mozilla and DRM

2014-05-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
> Jim schrieb: > >> You have still not proven your claim that the CDM will be robust There's nothing to be gained from debating robustness here. Us convincing you about robustness is entirely beside the point. What matters is Adobe convincing streaming service operators that Adobe's solution meets

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Matt Claypotch
Yes, I forgot to mention this, but another change for the meeting would be ensuring minutes/meeting notes are kept in an accessible place. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Mike Connor wrote: > I like the idea of publishing redacted-if-necessary notes. We're already > producing notes for the ex

Re: Mozilla and DRM

2014-05-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Jim wrote: > On 2014-05-21 19:24, Henri Sivonen wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Jim wrote: >>> >>> The parts of an EME based media player not specified are implemented in >>> JS/HTML making it an obvious target for a polyfill. Mozilla could have >>>

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Majken Connor
No, I don't think so, but I would imagine an edited highlight reel from the meeting would get a lot more views than simply a video of the whole meeting. When I miss meetings I never have an extra hour lying around to watch a video just in case something happened that I want to see. On Thu, May 22

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Chris Peterson
On 5/22/14, 5:54 AM, Larissa Shapiro wrote: Til, I’d missed this before, and hearing that you did watch and value this is good to know - makes me redact my previous statement. I’d love to see data about how many folks like you are out there - while other sources have not shown me that the pro

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Christie Koehler
Thank you, Potch, for working on this and sharing it with us. I have mixed feelings about this proposal. On one hand, I like that we have a fully open, public meeting that those who are interested in Mozilla can attend. On the other hand, I recognize the accessibility issues present with the cu

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread David Ascher
On May 22, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christie Koehler wrote: > Could we also use this change as an opportunity to advertise other > channels that are public, but specific to particular projects? E.g. "Our > project-wide meeting is no longer totally public, but here are public > meetings you can atten

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread curtis . koenig
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:58:34 PM UTC-4, Matt Claypotch wrote: > > # Audience > > > > The Project Meeting will switch from a 100% public call to available for > > all Mozillians. The goal is to have as lightweight a barrier to viewing and > > participating in the meeting as possible. The

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread David Ascher
On May 22, 2014, at 5:19 AM, curtis.koe...@gmail.com wrote: > Honestly, I am not a big fan of this change. The fact that we have an open > and public meeting is what I think helps us build community. People can tune > in and take a casual look at what we're up to. Find things they might be > i

Re: Changing Module Ownership for Test Infrastructure

2014-05-22 Thread Kevin Brosnan
Looks like this slipped. No objections so I am going to update the wiki. Kevin On May 9, 2014 1:41 PM, "Clint Talbert" wrote: > Hello all, > > As I have moved farther away from day-to-day code related duties, Joel > Maher (irc: jmaher) stepped up as a leader among peers in my module. It's > time

Transparency Reports?

2014-05-22 Thread Dan Callahan
Hi all, A user stopped by #sync recently inquiring about US Government requests for user data. I've been unable to find any relevant information. While we don't host much data at the moment, we're clearly moving in that direction as we build out our service infrastructure. Do we have any pl

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Chris Pearce
On 5/23/2014 6:10 AM, Chris Peterson wrote: On 5/22/14, 5:54 AM, Larissa Shapiro wrote: Til, I’d missed this before, and hearing that you did watch and value this is good to know - makes me redact my previous statement. I’d love to see data about how many folks like you are out there - while

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Chris Pearce
On 5/23/2014 4:50 PM, Chris Pearce wrote: In general I find time spend in meetings is usually productive time, so I avoid meetings. I meant to say: "In general I find time spend in meetings is usually **un**productive time, so I avoid meetings. " ;) __

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Nicholas Nethercote
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Chris Pearce wrote: > > I make the exception for the internal MoCo+MoFo Staff > meeting, which I sometimes watch on Air.mo and *always* read Matt Brubeck's > *excellent* notes. mbrubeck's notes are awesome. If a meeting doesn't have recorded output -- be it minut

Re: Evolving the Mozilla Project Meeting

2014-05-22 Thread Tim Chien
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Nicholas Nethercote wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Chris Pearce wrote: >> >> I make the exception for the internal MoCo+MoFo Staff >> meeting, which I sometimes watch on Air.mo and *always* read Matt Brubeck's >> *excellent* notes. > > mbrubeck's notes