On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2400-jacob-big
>>> http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2518-iain-big
>>> http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2520-ole-big
>
> I always thought that was a frie
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
suggestions to the board.
+1.
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:42:45 +0700
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan schrieb:
> Thanks for suggestion. We have got some ideas from the discussion
> so far. Please see a summary at:
>
> http://live.gnome.org/FootAndCulturalIssue
>
You are listing "Nepal (as referred by Wikipedia, no confirmation by
native people yet) "
Thi extension i
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Simos Xenitellis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As already suggested, delegating the choice of the new logo to the Art
> Team is the typical thing to do.
Yes, thanks. That would be much better than my primitive drawings.
> My concern is in the practicalities when t
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then ta
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
>> suggestions to the board.
>
> +1.
It's artweb-list, not art.gnome.org, I sup
Hi Theppitak,
As already suggested, delegating the choice of the new logo to the Art
Team is the typical thing to do.
My concern is in the practicalities when trying to apply the new logo
in a distribution.
If you have your own distribution, you can make all sort of changes,
so it it OK.
What yo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
>> >
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
> > suggestions. Don't focus on the "Gnome" idea. Few people think of small
> > myt
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
>
>> In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower
>> logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some
>> evidences:
>
> Ah yes. Dur
On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions. Don't focus on the "Gnome" idea. Few people think of
small
mythical beings when
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
> suggestions. Don't focus on the "Gnome" idea. Few people think of small
> mythical beings when they think of GNOME. Unfortunately, I don't have a
> good su
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Theppitak Karoonboonyanan skrev:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Thomas Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> You could cut it down to the bare essentials:
>>> http://spectrum.myriadcolours.com/~marnanel/gnom
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Theppitak Karoonboonyanan schrieb:
>> Thanks for suggestion. We have got some ideas from the discussion
>> so far. Please see a summary at:
>>
>> http://live.gnome.org/FootAndCulturalIssue
>
> You are listing "Nepal (as re
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Matej Urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Is showing a paw print in your culture considered rude?
>>
>> Not at all. That's normal.
>
> Now, there you have your solution. Interpret the sign as a paw print
> and not a foot. Tell all new users that the foot is actually
>> Is showing a paw print in your culture considered rude?
>
> Not at all. That's normal.
>
Now, there you have your solution. Interpret the sign as a paw print
and not a foot. Tell all new users that the foot is actually a print
ant you have no cultural issues. Something similar was suggested few
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Tino Meinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Op donderdag 30-10-2008 om 13:27 uur [tijdzone +0700], schreef Theppitak
> Karoonboonyanan:
>
>> How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
>> issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered r
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:25 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
>> The problem I've met is a kind of barrier for new comers, as foot is
>> considered the least respected part of the body in my culture.
>> It's not that
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Petr Kovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
> +0700:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sat, 1 Nov 2008
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:25 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
> The problem I've met is a kind of barrier for new comers, as foot is
> considered the least respected part of the body in my culture.
> It's not that kind of disgust you explained. But it's a sign of strong
> disrespect. You shou
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 31.10.2008, 09:56 +0700 schrieb Theppitak
> Karoonboonyanan:
>> How about this one?
>> http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/gnome-ok.svg
>> (Sorry, this one is the real ugly.)
>>
>> Hopefully it's
Op donderdag 30-10-2008 om 13:27 uur [tijdzone +0700], schreef Theppitak
Karoonboonyanan:
> How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
> issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
We have no problems showing our feet in our culture, it's not considered
r
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Sergey Panov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've mentioned those two examples in the wain attempt to prove that some
> (many/most) of the "cultural" sensitivities are ridiculous to the point
> of being foony.
>
> When I saw "foot"(long, long time ago) as a "Gnome
Hello Theppitak,
you raised an interesting question. There a few precedents, but I doubt
those cases validate the solution you propose:
The first precedent that comes to mind is the reason the cheap sedan
from USSR was named "Lada"(archaic Slavic for "beautiful girl") instead
of the original "Zh
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Gudmund Areskoug
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Petr Kovar skrev:
>>> Sorry, but I can't understand this. In my way of thinking, one has to have
>>> rather good English skills in
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Gudmund Areskoug
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Petr Kovar skrev:
>>>
>>> "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sun, 2 Nov 2008
>>> 02:10:32
>>> +0700:
>>>
On Sun,
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In summary, I'd propose icon theming + GNOME recognition of the
> secondary logo.
I've tried creating an icon theme using the hat logo.
http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/Hat-20081102.tar.gz
This o
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Gudmund Areskoug
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Petr Kovar skrev:
>>
>> "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sun, 2 Nov 2008
>> 02:10:32
>> +0700:
>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Theppitak Karoonboonya
Petr Kovar skrev:
"Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
+0700:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sat, 1 Nov 2008
14:00:06 +0700:
Let me add another difference between the
"Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
+0700:
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sat, 1 Nov 2008
> > 14:00:06 +0700:
> >
> >> Let me add another difference between the direc
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:06
> +0700:
>
>> Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
>> and the icon theming methods.
>>
>> Many Thai users don't like to use
"Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:06
+0700:
(...)
> Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
> and the icon theming methods.
>
> Many Thai users don't like to use Thai translation. This is a popular
> taste, despite how much translat
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, F Wolff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Vr, 2008-10-31 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Kovar wrote:
>
>>> What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
>>>
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, F Wolff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Vr, 2008-10-31 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Kovar wrote:
>> What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
>> in Thai (and Lao, and perhaps some others) locale only? Would the logo
>> change be sufficie
2008-10-31 (금), 14:40 +0100, Axel Hecht:
> To give an example of where Firefox is hitting a brick wall in terms
> of spreading the word. In Korea, nobody is using https to do safe web.
> There's an architecture built upon active-x controls and IE instead,
> due to export regulations in the past. S
On Vr, 2008-10-31 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Kovar wrote:
> Hi!
>
> "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fri, 31 Oct 2008
> 16:44:33 +0700:
>
> What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
> in Thai (and Lao, and perhaps some others) locale only? Would the
Andre,
You're 100% right about using the sign made by Am here in Brazil. I think
using this proposed sign would avoid the use of GNOME because of it's sexual
appealing.
Just to register: Here, when somebody disagree with other, he/she shows the
Okay sign, when they have some kind of friendship or
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Axel Hecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I expect your chances of getting the foot changed to be slim. I just
> looked over planet.gnome.org, and it's full of foots. The recognition
> and value of that logo are probably outweighing your problems by an
> order of mag
To put in the information of somebody that has nothing to do with
gnome, but with brands a bit as part of my work for Firefox.
I expect your chances of getting the foot changed to be slim. I just
looked over planet.gnome.org, and it's full of foots. The recognition
and value of that logo are proba
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Petr Kovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
> in Thai (and Lao, and perhaps some others) locale only? Would the logo
> change be sufficient solely as a part of your l10n processes?
I think it
Hi!
"Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fri, 31 Oct 2008
16:44:33 +0700:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Am Freitag, den 31.10.2008, 09:56 +0700 schrieb Theppitak
> > Karoonboonyanan:
> >> How about this one?
> >> http://linux.thai.n
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 31.10.2008, 09:56 +0700 schrieb Theppitak
> Karoonboonyanan:
>> How about this one?
>> http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/gnome-ok.svg
>> (Sorry, this one is the real ugly.)
>>
>> Hopefully it's
Am Freitag, den 31.10.2008, 09:56 +0700 schrieb Theppitak
Karoonboonyanan:
> How about this one?
> http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/gnome-ok.svg
> (Sorry, this one is the real ugly.)
>
> Hopefully it's not an offensive sign in some culture. ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_gest
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wouldn't an upstyled capital "G" be sensible, like Sharuzzaman suggested?
> Even if this might perhaps mean one upstyled "G" for every script, it would
> certainly be neutral. Unless...
How about this one?
http://lin
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
> foot in people especially in the South East Asia area.
>
> Currently, from my observation, there is no setback from people in Malaysia
Hello Behdad,
Behdad Esfahbod skrev:
Gudmund Areskoug wrote:
Hello,
2008/10/30 F Wolff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Do, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
Dear gnome-i18n,
I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
conventions.
How is a foot interp
On Do, 2008-10-30 at 16:33 +0100, Axel Hecht wrote:
> 2008/10/30 F Wolff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> <...>
> > I think I know of at least one team that doesn't translate and promote
> > Firefox under that brand, since the fox is considered negative in their
> > culture - I guess for Mozilla there is too
Gudmund Areskoug wrote:
> Hello,
>
> 2008/10/30 F Wolff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On Do, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
>>> Dear gnome-i18n,
>>>
>>> I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
>>> conventions.
>>>
>>> How is a foot interpreted in you
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan skrev:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Thomas Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ysgrifennodd Theppitak Karoonboonyanan:
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think no alternative logos will appear until people start submitti
2008/10/30 F Wolff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
<...>
> I think I know of at least one team that doesn't translate and promote
> Firefox under that brand, since the fox is considered negative in their
> culture - I guess for Mozilla there is too much in that brand to dilute
> it, but they lost that team (i
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Thomas Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ysgrifennodd Theppitak Karoonboonyanan:
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > I think no alternative logos will appear until people start submitting
>> > them.
>>
>> I'
Ysgrifennodd Theppitak Karoonboonyanan:
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think no alternative logos will appear until people start submitting them.
>
> I'm not an artist. So, all I can do is propose ideas. As said somewhere
> in the marketin
Hi Karoonboonyanan,
I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
foot in people especially in the South East Asia area.
Currently, from my observation, there is no setback from people in Malaysia
with the usage of foot as GNOME logo. Most of the people that are intere
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Gudmund Areskoug
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think no alternative logos will appear until people start submitting them.
I'm not an artist. So, all I can do is propose ideas. As said somewhere
in the marketing-list, I like Thilo's idea of the gnome hat. Probably
Hello,
2008/10/30 F Wolff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Do, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
>> Dear gnome-i18n,
>>
>> I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
>> conventions.
>>
>> How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
>> is
Hello,
I've read a few such "cultural" problems, and can understand why they
came around, but it eventually comes down to the "interpretation" of
the problem.
*I strongly support an idea to make logo and logo-name
international-isable, translatable and changeable, but I doubt that
this will (ever
On Do, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
> Dear gnome-i18n,
>
> I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
> conventions.
>
> How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
> issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is consider
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, DULMANDAKH Sukhbaatar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a mongolian, I don't have anything against foot. And neither to
> other people. They get interested what the foot and GNOME is. Just
> that.
Thanks. So, it's not a problem for Mongolian.
> Personally, I like i
> How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
> issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
> And the foot is not something to impress people who are totally new
> to GNOME.
As a mongolian, I don't have anything against foot. And neither to
other people. T
Dear gnome-i18n,
I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
conventions.
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
And the foot is not something to impress people who are totally new
to G
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