On 09/09/2010 08:21 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 September 2010 23:27:52 Daniel Troeder wrote:
>> On 09/08/2010 05:27 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 08 September 2010 17:14:13 Jonathan wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 23:27:52 Daniel Troeder wrote:
> On 09/08/2010 05:27 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 September 2010 17:14:13 Jonathan wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200
> >>
> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> We go in circles here. NNTP is be default org
On 09/08/2010 05:27 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 September 2010 17:14:13 Jonathan wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200
>>
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads. You
don't open a topic that you are not interested i
On Wednesday 08 September 2010, Al wrote:
> > My list mails get sorted in subfolders and only the mails that get in
> > the main inbox are indicated as new mail. So lists do not generate noise
> > here.
>
> If all mail users would be that clever, nobody would have any reason
> to complain of noise
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 17:14:13 Jonathan wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200
>
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > > We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads. You
> > > don't open a topic that you are not interested in, even if the thread
> > > has 500 messages.
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads. You
> > don't open a topic that you are not interested in, even if the thread
> > has 500 messages. Nothing to filter.
>
> emails too. But you still get the 'new mai
Neil Bothwick wrote:
Of course they are welcome. What is not welcome, and this applies to most
walks of life, not only this list, is people who enter an established
community and then proceed to tell everyone they are doing it wrong, over
and over again. Proposing a change to see the reaction is
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:19:31 +0200, Al wrote:
> It's not me complaining of noise. I know how to deal with threads. I
> don't read those topics that don't interest me.
I wish I had your self-control :(
> It's definitly the email fans having issues with noise. I would say
> there should be much mor
> If you are unable to configure your mailer to correctly and usefully
> handle mailing lists, Gentoo may not be the distro for you.
>
Don't be that lordy, Neil!
It's not me complaining of noise. I know how to deal with threads. I
don't read those topics that don't interest me.
It's definitly th
On 09/08/10 10:43, Al wrote:
>>
>> emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator.
>>
>
> Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their
> disadvantages in producing noise.
>
> If you would go a step further you will be able to recognize, how this
> puts a cap on the po
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 10:43:13 Al wrote:
> > emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator.
>
> Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their
> disadvantages in producing noise.
Actually, no...
With NNTP and Email can both be configured to display in threaded
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:43:13 +0200, Al wrote:
> > emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator.
> Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their
> disadvantages in producing noise.
> If you would go a step further you will be able to recognize, how this
> puts a cap o
>
> emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator.
>
Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their
disadvantages in producing noise.
If you would go a step further you will be able to recognize, how this
puts a cap on the potential userbase of Gentoo.
Al
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 02:27:16 Gregory Shearman wrote:
> In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> >> I'm reading your message via a usenet server. linux.gentoo.user is the
> >> newsgroup. Replies of course go via the mailing list address.
> >
> > Is that seamless? Can you directly reply to a po
In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
>> I'm reading your message via a usenet server. linux.gentoo.user is the
>> newsgroup. Replies of course go via the mailing list address.
>
> Is that seamless? Can you directly reply to a posting? Easy to set up? How?
More or less. Instead of press "f" to reply in
> person who desires such a feature, and that means, in a nutshell, DIY
OK, I put it onto my DIY list. :-)
Al
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> > If this were a news-group, your messages would still be filling up the
> > list and we'd still need to filter out your messages.
> >
> > How do news-servers help keep the noise level down there?
>
> We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in
Al wrote:
Can we just argue over the which came first, the chicken or the egg? o_O I
seriously doubt there is going to be a news thingy for Gentoo, not unless
you go make one yourself. So, why keep arguing over it? The people you are
talking to can't set one up even if they thought Gentoo did
>> Only YOU can go file the bug report and ask for it.
>
> It's not done by filing a bug. It's not a bug anyway.
>
> Al
>
Except that if you had the slightest bit of familiarity with the
Gentoo community you would know that all wish-list items,
infrastructure issues, and other such non-software b
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:26:16 +0200, Al wrote:
> We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads.
Yes it is, just like email.
> It is the rest that complaints of noise. With having mailing list as
> default way of communication this rest is bigger than necessary.
Who is this "rest",
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:38:59 +0200, Al wrote:
> > Only YOU can go file the bug report and ask for it.
>
> It's not done by filing a bug. It's not a bug anyway.
This is the clearest demonstration of your lack of understanding yet.
--
Neil Bothwick
It may be that your sole purpose in life is
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:31:18 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> How do news-servers help keep the noise level down there?
If Gentoo had one, Al would STFU about it and traffic would halve!
--
Neil Bothwick
Know thyself. If you need help, call the C.I.A.
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> Can we just argue over the which came first, the chicken or the egg? o_O I
> seriously doubt there is going to be a news thingy for Gentoo, not unless
> you go make one yourself. So, why keep arguing over it? The people you are
> talking to can't set one up even if they thought Gentoo did nee
- Original Message
> From: Al
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> 2010/9/7 Volker Armin Hemmann :
> > On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> >> > because he hopes that you finally shut up?
> >> Why do you read this thread and answer to it? Ignore it.
> > I would, if you wouldn't p
>
> If this were a news-group, your messages would still be filling up the list
> and
> we'd still need to filter out your messages.
>
> How do news-servers help keep the noise level down there?
We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads. You
don't open a topic that you are not
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:10:03 +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant:
>On Tuesday 07 September 2010 01:36:28 David W Noon wrote:
>
>> Moreover, keeping this as a subscription-only mailing list keeps the
>> spam count down.
>
Al wrote:
2010/9/7 Volker Armin Hemmann:
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
because he hopes that you finally shut up?
Why do you read this thread and answer to it? Ignore it.
I would, if you wouldn't put out a large percentage of emails arriving at my
inbox.
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 18:57:12 Al wrote:
> 2010/9/7 Volker Armin Hemmann :
> > On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> >> > because he hopes that you finally shut up?
> >>
> >> Why do you read this thread and answer to it? Ignore it.
> >
> > I would, if you wouldn't put out a large perce
On 9/7/2010 5:56 AM, Al wrote:
> It would be as simple as this:
>
> 1.) enter "news.gentoo.org" as news server to thunderbird
> 2.) select the groups you want to read
>
> 2 steps not more. That is far more simple than subscribing to a mailing list.
You're skipping all the steps that start with "
2010/9/7 Volker Armin Hemmann :
> On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
>> > because he hopes that you finally shut up?
>>
>> Why do you read this thread and answer to it? Ignore it.
>
> I would, if you wouldn't put out a large percentage of emails arriving at my
> inbox.
>
Execellent. You give
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> > because he hopes that you finally shut up?
>
> Why do you read this thread and answer to it? Ignore it.
I would, if you wouldn't put out a large percentage of emails arriving at my
inbox.
>
> When you think mailinlists such advanced, there is no reas
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 September 2010 01:36:28 David W Noon wrote:
>
> > Moreover, keeping this as a subscription-only mailing list keeps the
> > spam count down.
>
> An equally important factor is prohibiting subscriptions from
> dynamically allocate
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Al wrote:
> Jake
>
>
[snip]
> > Why say that "lists are dead early"? This list I find takes a certain
> > amount of maintenance to keep up-to-date, otherwise it grows to an
> > unmanageable number of e-mails in my Inbox. If anything, it's "too
>
> Well that is
>
> because he hopes that you finally shut up?
>
Why do you read this thread and answer to it? Ignore it.
When you think mailinlists such advanced, there is no reason to be
disturbed by a discussion that doesn't stays inside it's thread.
By your reaction you only underline the limitations of the
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> > Hmm, ist this really true? We have good bandwith nowadays, even Dale has
>
> Take the previous posting of Albert Hopkins as best prove of that:
>
>
> * End the noise here.
>
>
> So why does he read the thread, if he considers as no
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> Gentoo is developers network not a rest home.
and none of the developers or the users see a need for a news server.
Btw, why are you talking about a 'developers network' and see a must have in a
news server?
As far as I can tell from that other thread y
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> > going "Uh duh, why didn't I think of that" or "Thanks, I hadn't thought
> > of that"), or b) the subject is something so far off the topic of Gentoo
>
> I want to specially point out this. I think it a good habit, to say
> thank you. It motivates people
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
>
> It would require one strong admin in the developers team, convinced
> itself of the advantages and with a missionary nature.
>
nobody likes people like that.
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 01:36:28 David W Noon wrote:
> Moreover, keeping this as a subscription-only mailing list keeps the
> spam count down.
An equally important factor is prohibiting subscriptions from
dynamically allocated IP addresses. This has caused me to spend money on
a fixed addr
Al writes:
>> I don't know who this fellow Al is, but he seems to have a stuck idea from
>> 10+
>> years ago. Gentoo doesn't have a newsgroup probably because Gentoo users do
>> not want one.
>
> My father hasn't internet at all and he doesn't miss it. There are
> even people that can't read. Th
Hi Alex,
>
> Hmm, ist this really true? We have good bandwith nowadays, even Dale has
Take the previous posting of Albert Hopkins as best prove of that:
* End the noise here.
So why does he read the thread, if he considers as noise? He could
very simply ignore it using IMAP or NNTP. Obvi
There is a simple solution for this:
* Enter a bug report at bugs.gentoo.org (It is a web site and
AFAIK has no usenet gateway).
* Follow the bug there.
* End the noise here.
Thank you.
Al writes:
> being comparingly new to Gentoo I still wounder why the classical
> heart of every open source community is missing, a public news server.
> At least a news server is not offically announced on
> http://www.gentoo.org/ like forums, IRC and mailinglists. (I can read
> some, not all of
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 12:51:36 Al wrote:
> 2010/9/7 J. Roeleveld :
> > Except that then I need to do these 2 steps all the time and for every
> > mailing list that I use.
>
> Only once for the news groups of gentoo. Only one click to subscribe
> to a second group.
Per project, per list, pe
2010/9/7 J. Roeleveld :
> Except that then I need to do these 2 steps all the time and for every mailing
> list that I use.
>
Only once for the news groups of gentoo. Only one click to subscribe
to a second group.
> Usenet's strength was that all news-groups were accessible through all news-
> s
On 09/07/10 01:55, Al wrote:
>
> 2.) It is not on a public available gentoo server. I first would need
> access to alt.os.linux.gentoo.
I think if you want so run an maintain such a server, it would be welcome.
> 3.) It is not synchronized with the mailing list.
It is. At least it was when i us
> I'm reading your message via a usenet server. linux.gentoo.user is the
> newsgroup. Replies of course go via the mailing list address.
Is that seamless? Can you directly reply to a posting? Easy to set up? How?
> Usenet is dying because it doesn't attract new users. The old ones are
> slowly dy
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:05 on Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al did
opine thusly:
> > I don't know who this fellow Al is, but he seems to have a stuck idea
> > from 10+ years ago. Gentoo doesn't have a newsgroup probably because
> > Gentoo users do not want one.
>
> My father hasn't inter
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 11:56:12 Al wrote:
> It would be as simple as this:
>
> 1.) enter "news.gentoo.org" as news server to thunderbird
> 2.) select the groups you want to read
>
> 2 steps not more. That is far more simple than subscribing to a mailing
> list.
>
> Al
Except that then I n
> I don't know who this fellow Al is, but he seems to have a stuck idea from 10+
> years ago. Gentoo doesn't have a newsgroup probably because Gentoo users do
> not want one.
My father hasn't internet at all and he doesn't miss it. There are
even people that can't read. They don't miss it. There a
It would be as simple as this:
1.) enter "news.gentoo.org" as news server to thunderbird
2.) select the groups you want to read
2 steps not more. That is far more simple than subscribing to a mailing list.
Al
In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
>> >> I was trying to figure this out myself. I thought maybe I was missing
>> >> something in the message. Maybe not.
>> >
>> > Isn't the list aggregated into that news site gmain or whatever its
>> > called?
>> > Then h
> going "Uh duh, why didn't I think of that" or "Thanks, I hadn't thought
> of that"), or b) the subject is something so far off the topic of Gentoo
I want to specially point out this. I think it a good habit, to say
thank you. It motivates people to support and is always worth a
posting. I also t
> Well, whether the headers are from an IMAP server or an NNTP server,
> they're still headers. It's my understanding that Thunderbird only
point 1:
Right, if you compare IMAP and NNTP it is similar in this. In NNTP it
is the default to only read the header. In mail (IMAP, POP, HTML) it
is the d
On Tuesday 07 September 2010 10:47:49 Al wrote:
> >I'd be interested in how many people still have access to a news
> > server these days. I don't and I'm not particularly interested in having
> > to pay for access when email works well enough.
>
> You don't have to pay for access. Everybo
>
> I'd be interested in how many people still have access to a news
> server these days. I don't and I'm not particularly interested in having to
> pay for access when email works well enough.
>
You don't have to pay for access. Everybody can can run his own server
for his own groups. It's
Apparently, though unproven, at 06:27 on Tuesday 07 September 2010, kashani
did opine thusly:
> On 9/6/2010 4:55 PM, Al wrote:
> > Well that is the first advantage of a newsreader. It does not spam
> > your mailbox. You select yourself what you want to read by the header.
> > The other contents a
On 9/6/2010 4:55 PM, Al wrote:
Well that is the first advantage of a newsreader. It does not spam
your mailbox. You select yourself what you want to read by the header.
The other contents are never delivered to you, eat up neither traffic
nor space. People don't really need to complain of to much
On Tuesday 07 September 2010, Al wrote:
> >> I was trying to figure this out myself. I thought maybe I was missing
> >> something in the message. Maybe not.
> >
> > Isn't the list aggregated into that news site gmain or whatever its
> > called?
> > Then he can have it as a newsgroup.
>
> It's n
On 07/09/10 09:55, Al wrote:
> Jake
>
> it is a pity when well working systems are replaced by systems that
> are less good. But the high cultures of the ancient world also have
> been replaced by dark medieval times and italien restaurants are
> beeing replaced by burger burners (here in Europe)
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:10:02 +0200, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote about
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant:
>Dale wrote:
>
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> > wtf are you talking about?
>> >
>> > and who is using news anyway?
>>
>>
>> I was trying to figure this out myself. I thought maybe I was missing
>> something in the message. Maybe not.
> Isn't the list aggregated into that news site gmain or whatever its
> called?
> Then he can have it as a newsgroup.
>
It's not the question how I read it, but a question how a ma
Jake
it is a pity when well working systems are replaced by systems that
are less good. But the high cultures of the ancient world also have
been replaced by dark medieval times and italien restaurants are
beeing replaced by burger burners (here in Europe).
> Why say that "lists are dead early"?
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:42:40 +1000 Jake Moe wrote:
> Everyone's got their preference; some like mailing lists and come here.
> Others like forums and go there. Still others prefer IRC.
>
> Also, a quick Google search of "gentoo newsgroup" showed me
> alt.os.linux.gentoo, and that it's been pos
Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > wtf are you talking about?
> >
> > and who is using news anyway?
> >
> >
> >
>
> I was trying to figure this out myself. I thought maybe I was missing
> something in the message. Maybe not.
Isn't the list aggregated into that news site gmain or
On 07/09/10 06:19, Al wrote:
> Hi,
>
> being comparingly new to Gentoo I still wounder why the classical
> heart of every open source community is missing, a public news server.
> At least a news server is not offically announced on
> http://www.gentoo.org/ like forums, IRC and mailinglists. (I ca
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
wtf are you talking about?
and who is using news anyway?
I was trying to figure this out myself. I thought maybe I was missing
something in the message. Maybe not.
Dale
:-) :-)
On Monday 06 September 2010, Al wrote:
> Hi,
>
> being comparingly new to Gentoo I still wounder why the classical
> heart of every open source community is missing, a public news server.
> At least a news server is not offically announced on
> http://www.gentoo.org/ like forums, IRC and mailingli
Hi,
being comparingly new to Gentoo I still wounder why the classical
heart of every open source community is missing, a public news server.
At least a news server is not offically announced on
http://www.gentoo.org/ like forums, IRC and mailinglists. (I can read
some, not all of the lists via inf
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