On 07/09/10 09:55, Al wrote: > Jake > > it is a pity when well working systems are replaced by systems that > are less good. But the high cultures of the ancient world also have > been replaced by dark medieval times and italien restaurants are > beeing replaced by burger burners (here in Europe) >> Why say that "lists are dead early"? This list I find takes a certain >> amount of maintenance to keep up-to-date, otherwise it grows to an >> unmanageable number of e-mails in my Inbox. If anything, it's "too > Well that is the first advantage of a newsreader. It does not spam > your mailbox. You select yourself what you want to read by the header. > The other contents are never delivered to you, eat up neither traffic > nor space. People don't really need to complain of to much traffic.
Well, whether the headers are from an IMAP server or an NNTP server, they're still headers. It's my understanding that Thunderbird only downloads everything in my mail folder because I tell it to. I could just as easily not tell it to, and only double-click on the messages that are interesting to me, and simply delete the rest. Since I'm trying to learn as much as possible about Gentoo (I've only been using Linux about a year or two), I choose to download it all, cause I'm going to read it all; I learn a lot from things that I don't even intend to use. >> alive" with too much communication, it's nowhere near dead. That's not >> to say I'm complaining about the amount of mail this list generates; I'm >> just saying that it's certainly not dead. > Here people in fact complain about to much mail. Usually you should be > able to anser frankly: "Use a news reader". In a mailinglist you > can't. Instead here people get made a bad conscience when they are > posting or discussing. That I consider rather contraproductive. That > drives people to IRC with the result of a big loss of living > documentation and a split within the community. I'm not sure what you mean by "get made a bad conscience". Perhaps, you mean are made to feel bad about posting? The only times I've seen that happen are when either a) the OP could have answered him/herself by a fairly simple Google search (and the reply that says this usually gives a hint as to what they should be searching for, in case they didn't think of it themselves, and they are usually followed up by someone going "Uh duh, why didn't I think of that" or "Thanks, I hadn't thought of that"), or b) the subject is something so far off the topic of Gentoo that people ask they don't post about it here. I probably mis-spoke by saying it's "too alive". I certainly don't want to give the impression that I'm burdened by the amount of mail generated; if so, I'd simply unsubscribe. >> Everyone's got their preference; some like mailing lists and come here. >> Others like forums and go there. Still others prefer IRC. >> >> Also, a quick Google search of "gentoo newsgroup" showed me >> alt.os.linux.gentoo, and that it's been posted to as recently as less >> than a month ago. What's wrong with that newsgroup? > 1.) It's not even officially anounced on gentoo.org > 2.) It is not on a public available gentoo server. I first would need > access to alt.os.linux.gentoo. > 3.) It is not synchronized with the mailing list. > 4.) The leaders of the community don't support it. > > How should it work then? Just because it has gentoo in it's name? 1.) That's a separate discussion, one you'd have to take up with the Gentoo devs. You can ask if there's interested here, but I would think that's about as far as this mailing list could go with it. 2.) It's been a while since I used newsgroups, but I thought you pointed your newsreader to a server that had the newsgroup in question, and then read it from there? If your news server doesn't have that newsgroup, you should ask for it? Other than that, I can't help; as I said, it's been a long time since I used it. >> And I, for one at least, use Thunderbird to read my e-mail; the >> interface is pretty much the same for mail and news. A little >> configuration change and I'd be using news. But I like the mailing >> list, not newsgroups. (shrug) > Right for a thunderbird user there is no real difference at all. He is > already "advanced". Probably one should say less retarded. I didn't say I was "advanced". But are you saying that using a newsgroup is really that different that using e-mail? You double-click on messages to open them, you click a button to reply to them, you type text in to make the body of the reply, and then you click send. The main difference I see has to do with public vs. private access. Even news gets replicated around to every server that chooses to offer that group. So either it goes to a bunch of mailboxes, or a bunch of news servers. > Saying this I currently write from google web on windows. But the > reason is, that I try to port Gentoo to Cygwin. > > I still think a newsserver should be the backbone of a good community. > Mail and forums should be additional doors for those which are brought > up in the world of windows and google. Best they are fully > synchronized and it is the same database. Well, I haven't used it, but others are telling you you can use gmane if you want to use it as a newsgroup. I can't add anything more to that. > Al Jake Moe
