[gentoo-dev] xmms-mp123 pluggin

2005-04-21 Thread Ryan
Gentoo is an OS that lets you install anything you want which is great, but I ran across a problem with this today because of the lack of a description on an xmms pluggin. Here is a link to a forum that has a good description of the problem. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT - Finding Linux dev resources

2005-04-27 Thread Ryan
The old fashion way. Press releases but in the electronic form. One site that comes to mind, slashdot.org. There is no better way to recruit than to advertise on the sites that these people look at. Another would definatly be distrowatch.org. This is where all things concerning distros can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT - Finding Linux dev resources

2005-04-27 Thread Ryan
Oh yea, and expect to get LOTS of wise cracks such as this below.  Just ignore those. Greg KH wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 03:35:25PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my questions: 1) How / where do I find and recruit top notch Linux kernel, application and game develope

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Ryan
I must say that I agree with Ciaran on this particular point. The current standards that tell you where to put things is lucicrous. A file system is NO different than a piece of code. The whole thing should be manageable by standardized VARIABLES not hard coded standards. Could you imagine how

Re: [gentoo-dev] i have an idea ! (erescue)

2005-05-15 Thread Ryan
Heres the easiest way to do your "erescue" dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.iso "Three days later: AAAHHH! I blew up the /usr dir!" mkdir /backup mount -o loop backup.iso /backup cp -f -r -a /backup/usr / Pretty simple no? And there you have it. Backup shouldnt really be the burdon of developers. T

Re: [gentoo-dev] Viability of other SCM/version control systems for big repo's

2005-12-21 Thread Ryan Phillips
ome people have big reservations on distributed SCMs, but why not switch to a distributed format, and cherry pick from other developer's (and users) repositories? Git allows for pushing to a centralized server, so it still 'works' in a similar sense of committing changes to CVS. cg-branch-add gentoo-main git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ cg-push gentoo-main -Ryan pgpHNai8r5qPL.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting qa warnings to a text file instead of showing them to the world

2005-12-27 Thread Ryan Tandy
However, by bitching about problems, there are some users that decide to check WTF is this warning, in turn they urge devs to fix it (and that is the main point of QA, right?), they report it with their bug reports and so on. In other words, the problem gets _NOTICED_ by everybody. IMHO, lea

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay support current proposal?

2006-03-24 Thread Ryan Phillips
subversion) to use for the overlays. I also believe that CVS is now hindering us from reaching our goals as a project. Comments? -Ryan pgphIgIdx4NkR.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay support current proposal?

2006-03-26 Thread Ryan Phillips
sions that prevent multiple commits from > happening simultaneously. In actuality, Subversion does 98% of the commit in an initial transaction, and the blocking only occurs in the last 2% with the FSFS filesystem. It really isn't an issue and shouldn't prevent us from adopting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 'Images' without gcc/portage?

2006-04-14 Thread Ryan Tandy
Allen Rohner wrote: I have been a Gentoo user for several years, but this is my first step into gentoo development. I'm looking at the feasability of using gentoo for a product at work. Is it possible to use a Gentoo host machine to create a linux 'image' (ramdisk/ext2fs/iso) that does not con

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
vacation from work. My input is missed while away, but decisions have been made in my absence. =-=-=-=-=- What is interesting is that Source Mage Linux has already voted on a proposal similar to mine[2]. I truly think that making some changes in the "gentoo way" would benefit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
Jon Portnoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 10:14:53AM -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: > > > > I find that developer growth as being a problem. Adding a developer to > > gentoo > > should be as easy as 1. has the user contributed numerous (~5+) p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ryan Phillips wrote: > > This is a follow up to Mark's (halcy0n's) thread regarding QA Policies and > > seemant's letter on herds, teams, and projects. > > > > I believe the way Gentoo is doing things is bro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
Chris White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Sure, then you get this: > > "Hey can I join?" > "OK" > "*adds user*" > -- 2 weeks later -- > "Anyone heard from user?" > "No" > The solution is to have them be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
Alin Nastac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ryan Phillips wrote: > > > > >The council should not vote on gleps are provide policy. They should > >be there to handle the money and world-wide problems. > > > >The developers should drive innovation; not the co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ryan Phillips wrote: [Fri Apr 28 2006, 12:14:53PM CDT] > > __Problem: Developer Growth__ > > I've seen suggestions before that one of the things limiting Gentoo's > growth right now is the hurdles involved in becoming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
y/en/svn.intro.features.html there is more I'm sure people can come up with - 2x Drive space darcs - haskell dependency - doesn't work on some architectures - IMHO, deal breaker svk - not a contender, it is subversion. if someone wanted to use svk with the subversion tree they could; it is transparent to any other. -ryan pgpTsXgV9yu6w.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ryan Phillips wrote: > >git - terrible with lots of tiny little files > > Can you provide some evidence to support this? > > I posted in more detail on SCMs elsewhere today. Sure. git only allows commits from the proje

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
"Fernando J. Pereda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 01:42:40PM -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: > > cogito > > - Not practical > > * the lots of little files doesn't scale well with the size > > of the portage tre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
"Fernando J. Pereda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ryan: > > I think you are talking about very old versions of Git: > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:20:43PM -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: > > What I meant is, if you have a change within one directory pending > &

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
"Fernando J. Pereda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:06:36PM -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: > > > > Second issue with git, is that with lots of tiny little files things > > don't work so well. I tried converting our portage tree in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
"Fernando J. Pereda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:49:18PM -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: > > the only option I saw was git-commit -o and you had to specify the > > files that you wanted to commit. > > > > I tried doing a git-com

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
work. Not hard to > fix, but something to keep in mind. Rsync could still be used to deliver up-to-date tree's to people. Changing the process would of course require backend changes to our utilities. The quesion is what is best for the job, and then implement it. -Ryan pgpBLVqQi2OKZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Phillips
Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi Ryan, > > Ryan Phillips wrote: > >__Problem: Developer Growth__ > I've seen ebuilds from people who have written quite a bunch of ebuilds > and were really interested in understanding how they work, but the work &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-04-29 Thread Ryan Phillips
Stuart Herbert wrote: > > I'm offering to lead the effort to establish a global Gentoo developer > conference, and to do whatever it takes to get everything we need to > make this happen. Now who's up for this? :) > > Best regards, > Stu > That sounds like a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Having fun with compression

2006-05-02 Thread Ryan Phillips
n't justify the cost of how long it takes for the cpu to decompress the archive. -ryan pgp4Pn7SbQl0c.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Ryan Phillips
for a little > longer, until it's mature? The question is when is it mature? I've tried it and Paludis does work. There will always be bugs and feature requests. Its part of the development process. Ryan Phillips pgphGkWfkoHSr.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Devmanual

2006-05-27 Thread Ryan Hill
Mark Loeser wrote: > At long last the devmanual is official. You can find it at > http://devmanual.gentoo.org. I would like to thank plasmaroo for helping > me with converting it to XML (since he did all of the XSL work to add in > the features we needed to make it easy to write and expand upon).

[gentoo-dev] Re: IP routing on Gentoo

2006-05-27 Thread Ryan Hill
Rumi Szabolcs wrote: > I wanted to set up dynamic routing on a Gentoo box. What I found is that > the netkit-routed from ebuild (w/gcc 3.3.6) is segfaulting and gated is > not in portage at all. Any comments? There's also Networking area on the forums where this question might be better answered.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Addition of a USE_EXPAND-Variable LIRC_DRIVERS and general cleanup of app-misc/lirc

2006-06-03 Thread Ryan Hill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Schwarzott wrote: > The --with-driver part will be moved to LIRC_DRIVERS. The name need not to be > LIRC_DRIVERS, tell me if you have a better name for it (LIRC_RECEIVERS is > another possibility). LIRC_DEVICE? most of the USE_EXPAND stuf

[gentoo-dev] Re: User Relations Co-lead

2006-06-03 Thread Ryan Hill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > It is my pleasure to inform you that after much discussion I can > announce that Joshua Jackson (tsunam) has come onboard to act as my > co-lead in Userrel[1]. Uh-oh. - --de. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

[gentoo-dev] Re: Addition of a USE_EXPAND-Variable LIRC_DRIVERS and general cleanup of app-misc/lirc

2006-06-04 Thread Ryan Hill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:11:38PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: >> LIRC_DEVICE? most of the USE_EXPAND stuff seems to be named for the device >> rather than the driver. eg. ALSA_CARDS, VIDEO_CARDS, INPUT_DE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-08 Thread Ryan Tandy
Peter wrote: Nonetheless, the bug is active, with a good number of people subscribing to it and contributing to it. The sunshine overlay would be an ideal place to store a kernel source tree or any project which would never find a home in portage. Pardon me if I'm totally confused, but isn't th

[gentoo-dev] Retirement

2006-06-08 Thread Ryan Phillips
ore. I am sure at some point I'll emerge from retirement. Happy Gentooing. Regards, Ryan Phillips -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEiGxU6cLeDQrpxL8RAvVgAJ4tFZNEeFQe7vnAqOUXg

[gentoo-dev] Re: [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
Peter wrote: > Chris, I am not familiar enough about gentoo's hierarchy, politics, or > team responsibilities to question your sincerity or authority to say > something like: Sorry, but if it isn't supported, it doesn't belong on > Gentoo infrastructure. Then please trust that these people who ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
Markus Ullmann wrote: > Okay, so after figuring out open problems (thanks to kloeri and various > other people for help here), we now have a resolution that should > satisfy all involved parties here. This should adress dostrow's demands > as well. Nice, I think this is a great improvement. > 2.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Marius Mauch wrote: > Functional changes, bugfixes, etc. Let people use common sense there. > The intention is simply that people watching the bug don't have to track > the overlay as well to get notifications of important changes (like a > bugfix that prevented them from using the ebuild previous

[gentoo-dev] Re: June Council meeting summary + log

2006-06-17 Thread Ryan Hill
Mike Frysinger wrote: > unadulterated log of the meeting will be synced out to the servers in a bit: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20060616.txt I got http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20060615.txt Also the council project page links to 20060620.txt (?). --

Re: [gentoo-dev] embedded overlay on overlays.gentoo.org

2006-06-18 Thread Ryan Tandy
Stefan Schweizer wrote: Hi, solar has requested an account on overlays.gentoo.org for the embedded overlay for you. Your password: DX7wnSe40Y Kind regards, Stefan o_O -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Pending Removal of $KV

2006-06-19 Thread Ryan Tandy
Arek (James Potts) wrote: If they don't actually build against the kernel, couldn't/shouldn't they look at either kernel-headers or the output of `uname -r`? Kernel headers being the virtual/linux-headers dependency that Georgi mentioned. `uname -r` works, but is annoying because you can't b

[gentoo-dev] Re: Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-13 Thread Ryan Hill
Fabio Erculiani wrote: [02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way. ^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad. For t

[gentoo-dev] Last Rites - dev-util/jam

2008-03-16 Thread Ryan Hill
# Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (16 Mar 2008) # Mask for removal on 16 Apr 2008 # upstream unresponsive, replaced by dev-util/ftjam # Bug #173703 dev-util/jam -- fonts, gcc-porting, by design, by neglect mips, treecleaner,for a fact o

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remaining PMS todo list etc

2008-03-19 Thread Ryan Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: There's an updated, pre-built copy of current PMS at: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/pms.pdf Thanks for keeping up with this. * 174335: Some ebuild use FEATURES. Can we get them to stop doing that, or do we have to force package managers to emulate it? We seriously

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remaining PMS todo list etc

2008-03-20 Thread Ryan Hill
Marius Mauch wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:32:41 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We seriously need a PM-independent way of saying "run the testsuite", "run the testsuite with user privledges", and "run the testsuite with root privledges if you c

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remaining PMS todo list etc

2008-03-21 Thread Ryan Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:02:31 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about just checking EUID == 0 in src_test and skip the tests (with a ewarn message) if it doesn't match your needs? I thought I remembered someone raising a stink about checking permis

[gentoo-dev] Re: gcc-4.2 / gcc-4.3 plans

2008-04-28 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:14:37 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the x86 cld revert is in now as well as some more upstream pr fixes. > i'll probably let things settle for this week and pending any > craziness, move gcc-4.3.0-r1 into ~arch in a week. i'll prob commit > some "obvi

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-fonts/sharefonts

2008-04-29 Thread Ryan Hill
In bug #218288, it was brought to our attention that media-fonts/sharefonts, which has been in our tree under a public-domain LICENSE, is anything but. Each of the fonts in this collection is released under a variety of restrictive or non-free licenses, the majority being shareware licenses that r

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

2008-04-30 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:35:40 +0200 "Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. > He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the > Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that > mean

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-fonts/sharefonts

2008-05-01 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:27:18 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In bug #218288, it was brought to our attention that > media-fonts/sharefonts, which has been in our tree under a > public-domain LICENSE, is anything but. Each of the fonts in this > collection is releas

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 07 May 2008 16:23:12 +0300 Mart Raudsepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Over the course of this year, a lzma-utils buildtime dependency has > been added to a few system packages, to handle .tar.lzma tarballs. > This has huge implications on the requirement of the system toolchain

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-08 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:17:08 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: > > The new lzma-utils codebase uses liblzma, written in C. It's at the > > alpha stage but supposedly supports encoding/decoding the current > > lzma format "wel

[gentoo-dev] Re: Moving some packages around

2008-05-11 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:58:55 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: > - bison and flex should get out of the system package set, what > clearer than moving them out of sys-*? They are not so commonly used > so there should no compelling reason to have them installed on every >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Moving some packages around

2008-05-11 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:46:36 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess I don't see the point. If you do move them, don't forget > about documentation changes. Also consider that people searching for bugs about dev-util/ccache for example won't find ma

[gentoo-dev] reminder - mips is unstable

2008-05-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Just a friendly reminder. Because the stable mips keyword is being phased out, there is no need to CC mips on stabilization bugs. Also try to refrain from dropping the mips keyword because of repoman warnings. They are probably caused by an ebuild having a stable mips keyword and a dependency on

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?

2008-05-28 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 29 May 2008 01:13:16 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, do you think it should be enabled by default? Yes please. :) I haven't had any problems in the couple of months i've been using it. -- fonts, gcc-porting, by design, by neglect mips,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-01 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:41:28 +0200 Raúl Porcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Requesting ~arch keywords: Is a maintainer able to request ~arch > keywords, if the package is not a dependency of some other package > which is keyworded, and the maintainer doesn't have that arch? Yes. Last time I loo

[gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations for council

2008-06-03 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:11:44 +0200 Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:46:53 +0100 > George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Correct. Only developers can vote but anyone can nominate: > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ > > 6. Voting Process > >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Default blank lines for error, elog, einfo, etc

2008-06-04 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:31:58 -0600 Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Just a quick thought looking over a couple ebuilds. It seems most > > times anyone does a error, elog, einfo, or similar. They start and > > end with a few blank lines. Calls with no argu

[gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations for council

2008-06-05 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:41:40 +0300 Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:52:35 + > Ferris McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I think nominations are open. I nominate > > Then I'd like to nom

[gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations for council

2008-06-05 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:08:24 +0200 Patrick Börjesson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just picking a random mail to reply to. > > > > gentoo-project people! this is why it exists. > > > > > > Actually, it was stated in the originating mail (starting the > nomination period) that "All nominations

[gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

2008-06-07 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:46:10 -0400 Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I nominate: > > dev-zero > dirtyepic > zmedico Thanks, but I'm not sure what I could do to fix this crazy thing. -- gcc-porting, by design, by neglect treecleaner,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

2008-06-07 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:00:55 +0100 "Alex Howells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/7 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Thanks, but I'm not sure what I could do to fix this crazy thing. > > > > Precisely why you'd be perfect for

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:42:34 +0200 Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Err.. Maybe this could have been phrased better but then I did expect > you would look at the bug before commenting. The idea is to enable > tests by default in EAPI 2 and beyond and let them stay off by > default in

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-10 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:19:16 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:16:04 -0600 > Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > if people are just going to RESTRICT tests when they fail (and they > > will, because it's a hell o

[gentoo-dev] Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-13 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:35:52 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ignoring possible semantic issues for the moment, I'd be against this > simply because it would require the PM to be aware of the current > revision of the repository and to transform it into a integer value > (trivial fo

[gentoo-dev] Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:53:51 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:19:32 +0200 > > Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I'm confused. If I have a gcc-4.4.0.live ebuild which checks out > >>> rev. 136737, after the merge do I hav

[gentoo-dev] Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:01:15 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:27:22 +0200 > Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Many of them applies as well to the alternative proposal, I wonder > > how you could say we, council, had to vote the other proposal give

[gentoo-dev] Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:32:22 + Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, here's a silly idea - > > tag the ebuilds with metadata. We already have RESTRICT, why not add > a "LIVE" variable. The package manager can then treat all ebuilds > with that tag differently. Scripts can find them

[gentoo-dev] Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:55:27 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: > > So every user will have a different _preN version which would vary > > depending on how often they rebuild the package and that has > > absolutely no correlation with

[gentoo-dev] Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:34:21 +0200 Bernd Steinhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan Hill schrieb: > No, the idea behind ESCM_LOGDIR was different. > If you just want the revision of the current installed thing, you can > grep through the environment. > > ESCM_LOGDIR m

[gentoo-dev] Re: tetex maintainance (RFH?)

2008-06-16 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:57:45 +0200 Alexis Ballier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The other option is to p.mask and last rite it, breaking mips and s390 > trees, leaving them without tex support at all. This would also > leave arm and sh with only ptex as tex support. Thus that is not > really an opt

[gentoo-dev] Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-16 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:16:36 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bernd Steinhauser wrote: > > Wow, impressive. > > > > Actually, you can't be serious... > > I am. > > GLEP 54 for quite some time now and it works very well. > > adds nothing to - and sets usage as is. > > I just d

[gentoo-dev] Re: Council nominations deadline

2008-06-16 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:16:00 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The current nominees and the state of their acceptance can > be checked on > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008-nominees.xml > If there's someone else you would like to nominate

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages broken by phase ordering change

2008-06-18 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:21:24 -0700 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 15:09 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:55:29 +0200 > > "Santiago M. Mola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As discussed in bug #222721, portage has changed the execution >

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-21 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:20:03 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Santiago M. Mola wrote: > > Upstream clearly states that a gmp build which tests have failed > > shouldn't be used. I bet they deny support for users who fail to > > follow that indication ;-) > > gmp isn't a key compone

[gentoo-dev] Re: Suggested default LDFLAGS+="-Wl,-O1,--hash-style=gnu,--sort-common"

2008-06-24 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:17:48 +0200 Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24-06-2008 14:15:10 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: > > I would like to suggest that default LDFLAGS in Gentoo contain the > > following flags: "-Wl,-O1,--hash-style=gnu,--sort-common". > > > > -

[gentoo-dev] Re: When the version scheme changes

2008-06-29 Thread Ryan Hill
"Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Marius Mauch wrote: > > I don't really see how making PV not read-only is any easier > > than using MY_PV. Did you expect changing PV to magically > >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Suggested default LDFLAGS+="-Wl,-O1,--hash-style=gnu,--sort-common"

2008-06-30 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:42:49 +0300 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Frysinger kirjoitti: > > On Saturday 28 June 2008, Petteri Räty wrote: > >> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis kirjoitti: > >>> I would like to suggest that default LDFLAGS in Gentoo contain the > >>> following flag

[gentoo-dev] Re: [v3] Planning for automatic assignment of bugs

2008-07-02 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:07:03 -0700 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4. If we have a valid category name, but no valid package atoms (this > may be a new or misspelt package), try to figure out which team might > want it. Use the category-level metadata.xml file. I wonder how often

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-scheme/drscheme: ChangeLog reversion.patch drscheme-4.0.1.ebuild drscheme-0.372-r1.ebuild

2008-07-03 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:23:01 +0200 "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 04:53:06PM +, Marijn Schouten (hkbst) > > wrote: > >> hkbst 08/06/28 16:53:06 > >> > >> Mod

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: 0-day bump requests

2008-07-07 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:10:14 -0400 Jim Ramsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's an interesting solution for those who find it annoying though: > Just file your own 0-day bump request in bugzilla. In theory some > users would find this and just CC themselves on it. Other users could > be shushed w

[gentoo-dev] Re: sci-libs/scipy -> dev-python/scipy ?

2008-07-08 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:37 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it's worth losing track of the CVS history just so we > can have something in a different place that ultimately is hardly > useful to anyone. Maybe it's time to test the feasibility of moving to SVN again

[gentoo-dev] Re: sci-libs/scipy -> dev-python/scipy ?

2008-07-09 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:49:43 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19:14 Tue 08 Jul , Ryan Hill wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:37 -0700 > > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I don't think it's worth

[gentoo-dev] Re: Suggested default LDFLAGS+="-Wl,-O1,--hash-style=gnu,--sort-common"

2008-07-09 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:15:32 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008-07-09 15:45:15 Doug Goldstein napisał(a): > > Luca Barbato wrote: > > > Fabian Groffen wrote: > > >> On 30-06-2008 17:35:08 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar > > >> Arahesis wrote: > > How

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July

2008-07-09 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:40:13 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slacker arches > -- > Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 4+ hours before the > meeting. (Mike, is this ever going to happen?) I believe he's out of the country until August. -- gcc-porting,

[gentoo-dev] Re: LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu

2008-07-15 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:39:00 +0200 Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15-07-2008 15:32:32 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > all, > > > > I'm at the point that -Wl,-O1 appears to be successful. It's time > > to toss on -Wl,--hash-style=gnu. The issue is that we need glibc > > 2.5 or high

[gentoo-dev] Re: LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu

2008-07-15 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:09:36 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:39:00 +0200 > > Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On 15-07-2008 15:32:32 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > >&

[gentoo-dev] Re: IBM article of interest ?

2008-07-18 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:20:15 -0400 Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 080717 Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > Philip Webb wrote: > >> [2] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-awk1.html > >> '03 Jul 2008' has been added since I sent my comment to them > >> yesterday ! However, the incorre

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: mozcoreconf-2.eclass

2008-07-18 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:55:00 + "Raul Porcel (armin76)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > armin76 08/07/18 17:55:00 > > Modified: mozcoreconf-2.eclass > Log: > Enable by default mozilla's optimization > +IUSE="${IUSE} custom-optimization" > + Could you use custom-cflags for

[gentoo-dev] Re: system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Ryan Hill
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:01:23 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the new split in Portage where system set packages are not > considered in an "emerge -auDNv world" unless something in world > RDEPENDs on it brings about a few issues. Just curious, what are the benefits of no

[gentoo-dev] Re: system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:13:01 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just curious, what are the benefits of not having world include > system? Nevermind, I just found your post explaining this. -- gcc-porting, by design, by neglect

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:36:28 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should > respect LDFLAGS. Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should > be patched to respect them. Such patches are usually small a

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:37:06 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that > this policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about > LDFLAGS being ignored are usually fixed, so I ask for the formal

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:12:13 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed > though. Of course that's just me. Well, then, behold: http://tinyurl.com/5jvkm9 Now you have. Enjoy. :) -- gcc-porting,

[gentoo-dev] LICENSE and revbumps

2008-08-26 Thread Ryan Hill
I have an interesting (to me anyways) question. Should LICENSE changes require a revision bump? It kinda seems to me the answer should be yes. I don't know if any PM currently implements LICENSE filtering so there may not be any technical reason for it yet. And so I guess it comes down to a phi

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] What features should be included in EAPI 2?

2008-08-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:27:03 +0100 Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> b) Does it really matter? > > > > In the grand scheme of things, no. In the grand scheme of things, > > you only *need* a single src_ function. From a maintainer > > convenience perspective, ho

[gentoo-dev] Re: media-fonts/droid licensing: should fonts include Apache license in tarball?

2008-08-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:25:42 +0400 Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello. > > There are droid fonts package in the tree. Author states that they are > apache licensed [1] (supposedly similar to google's android sdk) but > license itself is not included in the package (only .ttf files ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: LICENSE and revbumps

2008-08-27 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:02:02 +0200 Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:48 -0600 > Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Should LICENSE changes require a revision bump? > > No. > > Any ebuild should be published with

[gentoo-dev] Re: FHS compliant KDE install and multi-version support

2008-09-20 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:05:07 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've been trying to find a way that > will allow users to do an FHS compliant install if they want it, > while at the same time still allowing those that are not interested > in it to keep using the curre

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Extend blocker syntax to indicate when conflicting packages may be temporarily installed simultaneously (for EAPI 2)

2008-09-20 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:38:43 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone, > > Please consider a blocker syntax extension, for inclusion in EAPI 2, > which will serve to indicate that conflicting packages may be > temporarily inst

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