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2008/6/8 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>
>> 1. GLEP54
>> 2. GLEP55
>
> None of them got discussion back in -dev, the glep hadn't been changed as
> requested during the unnecessary long discussion in the meeting.
>
> Lo
ould like to nominate Piotr Jaroszyński (peper).
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ild's EAPI, which is the point here.
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while changes breaking the
> sourcing of the ebuild need an increment of X to avoid that pm's not being
> able to even source such an ebuild still can mask it properly (or just
> ignore it).
What's the point of sourcing an ebuild that cannot be used anyway?
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> The simplest way is to change the syncpoint in the new package manager and
> leave the previous uri with a compatibility repo for the older ones.
So we add a new repo each time a new EAPI comes out? Sounds like a big mess.
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���^�X��� ��(��&j)b�b�
> Using live templates is something more ^^;
For now it looks to me like it is only more work. Could you please
clarify what new functionality they provide?
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he new and
innovative stuff that makes working on Gentoo fun.
[1] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~peper/glep-0055.html
(http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0055.html once it synces)
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2009/5/17 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis :
> I would like to suggest to include possibility of using of features of
> bash-4.0 (and older versions) in local scope of EAPI="3" ebuilds.
This is glep 55 material. I will update it to reflect that.
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; No good, for two reasons.
>>
>> First, this is a global scope change
>
> Why do you think that it is a global scope change?
I have updated the glep, see how it breaks [1].
[1] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~peper/glep-0055.html#use-newer-bash-features
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2009/5/17 Ryan Hill :
> On Sun, 17 May 2009 17:56:06 +0200
> Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have just updated GLEP 55 [1], hopefully making it a bit clearer.
>>
>> Just FYI, my order of preference of solutions is:
>>
>> 1. EAPI-suff
Just a heads up that I wrote a more detailed description of the
peformance hit that EAPI in the ebuild introduces.
Might come up with some numbers later too.
[1] -
http://dev.gentoo.org/~peper/glep-0055.html#easily-fetchable-eapi-inside-the-ebuild
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it breaks first before
posting BS like that? Better yet test it youtself.
[1] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~peper/glep-0055.html#use-newer-bash-features
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2009/5/17 Robert Buchholz :
> On Sunday 17 May 2009, Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have just updated GLEP 55 [1], hopefully making it a bit clearer.
>>
>> Just FYI, my order of preference of solutions is:
>>
>> 1. EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (o
live ebuilds?
You set KEYWORDS="". If you need to do something in profiles with it
you can use profile eapis.
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2009/5/20 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis :
> 2009-05-17 19:02:02 Piotr Jaroszyński napisał(a):
>> 2009/5/17 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis :
>> > 2009-05-17 18:37:32 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a):
>> >> On Sun, 17 May 2009 18:20:21 +0200
>> >>
ng the rsync tree, storing all referenced distfiles on
> at least one mirror, then change the rsync path.
> That way all "old" users get the last sane upgrade position (...)
And bugs and security vulnerabilities too. Or do you propose
maintaining multiple trees at the same time? I think one of the main
points of EAPI was to avoid doing exactly that.
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2009/5/28 Patrick Lauer :
> On Thursday 28 May 2009 00:12:56 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>> 2009/5/27 Patrick Lauer :
>> > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
>> >> > Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
>> >
into
> PN and PV. And look at function "pkgsplit" in Portage: It can just
> treat PV as an opaque string.
>
> What would be the advantage to use a hyphen instead of an underscore?
Mainly the thing you observed yourself - foo_live is a bit
inconsistent with current versions.
The case you mention can be avoided with another restriction in PMS.
Buut we might as well go all the way and change the version separator
to -- or something, which would be the most flexible.
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2009/5/28 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) :
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>> 2009/5/28 Ulrich Mueller :
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 May 2009, Tiziano Müller wrote:
>>>>> ${PORTDIR}/app-misc/foo/foo-1a_live.e
"bad
design" to be an objective argument you need to back it up with
something concrete. For example, could you foresee any actual problems
of the in-filename approach? Cause all I was hearing was "it doesn't
look nice" which now is "oh no, don't expose metadata". The former is
clearly subjective and the latter is already done ($PN-$PV) and
doesn't seem to cause any problems.
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2009/6/1 Dawid Węgliński :
> On Monday 01 of June 2009 06:25:06 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
>> Hello fellow developers and users.
>>
>
> I nominate:
> peper
Thank you, I accept.
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PRIOR to the meeting, not during.
4c) is the most important imho.
Also, I think meetings shouldn't be limited to 1 hour. I would move
the limit to at least 2 hours. Even if the process is improved, 1 hour
is just not enough.
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ell experience at all should conclude with little delay that it
> /could/ be the escaping even if they aren't sure, and a quick suitably
> escaped trial will confirm it.
Where/when does :: need escaping?
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pp-cdr/k3b
app-doc/gimp-help
app-editors/kile
app-office/openoffice
app-office/openoffice-bin
app-text/acroread
mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
media-gfx/digikam
net-dialup/pppconfig
net-ftp/kftpgrabber
net-p2p/ktorrent
www-client/mozilla-firefox
www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin
x11-plugins/enigmail
net-dialup/pppconfig
net-ftp/kftpgrabber
net-p2p/ktorrent
www-client/mozilla-firefox
www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin
x11-plugins/enigmail
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> I said it before and I'll repeat. I'm not going to use it for KDE, we have
> enough eclass complexity without adding this.
Still haven't lost hope to convince you :D And to help my hope a little made a
patch for digikam:
http://www.gentoo-sunrise.org/svndump/peper/eclas
life very hard.
Of course not, your package, your call. I was just hopeful :]
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> It worked quite good, saves at least some space to work through the
> LINGUAS. Implementation looks ok to me, although am not an expert.
Thanks for trying it, you seem to be the first one to do it :]
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quirements:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~betelgeuse/scripts/deputils/*
app-portage/portage-utils
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www.gentoo-sunrise.org seems to be down so I have put qadeps here:
http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~peper/scripts/
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ependencies should be stated unless
> obvious (libc, gcc, binutils), problematic for porting (findutils,
> net-tools) or creates circular deps (shadow).
IMHO this should be fixed in portage. If not why would we have system packages
at all?
Comming back to my script - I will be rewriting it in
r.eclass is not enough.
E_IUSE=${E_IUSE//"X"}
But that's a dirty portage-specific hack ;]
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> And it doesn't work.
Wanna bet? Of course you must put it in the x-modular.eclass, but I thought
that's quite obvious as spyderous was talking about adding IUSE="" to that
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ing IUSE="". It can make someone
read ebuild.sh code and see why that doesn't work - only better.
Why there is always *someone* who wants to win a pink elephant in the last
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I thought that you really know what you are talking about, but now I have no
doubts that you don't:
E_IUSE=${E_IUSE// X } - deletes every X with whitespace around it.
E_IUSE=${E_IUSE#X } - deletes X if there is one at the beginning
E_IUSE=${E_IUSE% X} - deletes X if there is one at the e
> E_IUSE=${E_IUSE// X } - deletes every X with whitespace around it.
This should be E_IUSE=${E_IUSE// X / }.
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k", esp. If something
do work(not the right way tho, but the goal is reached), is not enough. You
wouldn't like to read such bug reports about paludis, would you?
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d. It leads nowhere
and is just stupid. "It's not safe, don't you ever do it plz!" would be much
better if you for example don't have time to give the details.
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r of flame
senseless posts on this list.
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> So if you're concerned about any of the above features breaking your
> precious Gentoo, now is a very good time to test :)
Mon Oct 2 22:24:05 2006 >>> sys-apps/baselayout-1.13.0_alpha1-r1
^^ Using 1.13* for over a month and no problems whatsover.
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> If everyone's Login ID is their email address, may I suggest changing
> 'Login:' to 'E-mail:'? I usually try 2 or 3 wrong ID's before recalling
> that my ID is my email address.
Although I save my passwords in kde wallet it sounds good for me.
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> We never banned him, actually.
Is there something wrong with the spamfilter then?
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ion period when profile setting
from make.conf would override make.profile link and small info would be
displayed about future complete deprecation?
If so I am fully with it.
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file we could have
smth like "user - why - until time&date".
What do you think?
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Btw. I vote for #3.
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s to be a full match( btw. you are not escaping a "." in your regex )
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> pcheck -r $PORTDIR '*' -c Manifest2Transition
I am trying to finish the transition:
- cvs up a category
- try(some of them are unfetchable) to fix all pkgs that pcheck reports
Hope it goes smoothly.
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I have fixed some more packages today and made a cron(run every hour) to
generate transition status:
http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~peper/mf2/mf2-status.txt
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> Some evil person broke my laptop screen at FOSDEM.
What about the FOSDEM insurance?
Hope you get needed cash and fix it fast.
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> a video sent to out by a good mate
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
++
I think recruiters should keep this link in mind.
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> And do what?
And hand it to the new devs. That's all I meant ;]
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for Ingres database
msession - Adds support for msession daemon
Any reason to keep them?
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On Saturday 17 of March 2007 12:28:42 Steve Dibb wrote:
> Any objections to globalizing the 'gs' use flag on support for ghostscript?
I have heard about the magic limit of 5, but whatever...
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On Sunday 18 of March 2007 13:37:55 Jeff Rollin wrote:
> Also, if you have a .config directory to put all these files in, ~
> becomes less cluttered but ~/.config becomes VERY cluttered!
Nothing prevents from making appdirs in .config too.
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>> It appears to be a problem with gentoolkit-dev-0.2.6.3. 0.2.6.2
> produces proper changelogs.
Same here.
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oogle seems to concern more about the FOSS community than the organizations'
copyright in the header and imho that's a good thing. Gentoo is supposed to
be a _mentoring_ organization, so the only question is whether Gentoo mentors
are capable of mentoring a project or not.
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2. hardly technical issue
3. see ciaran's post
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ttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/46648
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Looks like a good job to me.
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ing project ideas for the next year already
to not look so miserable in comparison with other orgs?
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ally switch to something sane, right?)
and our commit system which must regenerate the Manifest only after commit so
let's kill it.
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> that force portage to update to this version? Wouldn't that prevent
> portage from enforcing update to _rc3 when it's delivered? Of course I
> might be wrong and if this is the case then excuse me for the whole fuss ;)
foo-0.1_rc2 < foo-0.1_rc000220070313 < foo-0.1_r
On Tuesday 24 of April 2007 23:20:05 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
> foo-0.1_rc2 < foo-0.1_rc000220070313 < foo-0.1_rc3
err. foo-0.1_rc2 < foo-0.1_rc000220070313 < foo-0.1_rc000320070512
What I was trying to say is that once you change to the long versions you must
stay with them.
-
x27;t matter as long it's 8 digits long)
1.1_rc1 (yuupi version bump and we can use short _rc again)
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that list comprehensive?
Please don't post solutions unless we figure out which options we really want
to deliver.
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nto
groups as current boolean choice seems to be not enough.
> I'd say, let the user decide based on the properties, fex:
It seems to be too early for that. Firstly we should figure out
the "properties" and then we can think how to deliver them for end-users.
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below as things that can be wanted by users/devs and asked whether I missed
something. How we will end up distinguishing them is another story...
> - run all tests
> - run only reasonable tests
> - run only necessary tests
> - don't run tests at all
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hat we need to figure out is the categories we want to distinguish between in
ebuilds and *then* how to implement that sanely.
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se of this
discussion is to figure out a compromise between the current state and force
all, because neither of them is good.
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Hello,
Thanks to zmedico we now have support for news items on infra-side and heck
they are ready to use. And we should use them!
Attaching news item for paludis 0.24.
Justification: major config format change.
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Title: Changes for Paludis 0.24
Author: Piotr
On Friday 04 of May 2007 23:46:39 Thomas Rösner wrote:
> You mean "Display-If-Installed:
er what
information paludis' users consider useful enough for a news item.
P.S. If you read carefully enough you find one user's opinion in this
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On Sunday 06 of May 2007 10:59:01 Marius Mauch wrote:
> It's supposed to be 4 < 4_p == 4_p0 < 4_p1 now.
And it's good as every other _suffix == _suffix0. No reason to make _p
special.
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stalled but not configured
> and the code doesn't seem to have any support for portage at this time
> (checked version was eselect-1.0.9).
Well it's part of Paludis...
Tbh, I expected a little more from portage support for news items than
pointing to eselect module made for pa
opic up.
I have learned about that only after reading the bug you filled. Earlier I
only had known that "portage has support for news items".
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On Wednesday 09 of May 2007 08:04:44 Alec Warner wrote:
> The new layout would be:
I would reserve the breakage for something more useful. Not that I don't like
the idea, just imho such a layout change alone is not worth it.
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forums such as are provided by Gentoo."?
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On Tuesday 05 of June 2007 23:45:22 Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> as you have, because apparently, neither of us can follow a simple
> instruction.
I couldn't care less about proctors' instructions after their latest decision.
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# Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (24 Jun 2007)
# Masked for removal. bug #165898
x11-drivers/mtxdrivers-pro
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Please be more constructive, join #gentoo-qa and present your suggestions,
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tree transition.
2) clean up: we want to do global tree clean up after 1) is resolved, nofoo ->
foo, rest of the invalid values die.
3) repoman check: I have contributed a RESTRICT check(10 lines wow:), which
will be in the next portage release. warning for now, error after 2) is done.
On Sunday 01 of July 2007 11:05:24 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I have no idea what `third party values' are.
./multilib.eclass: if hasq multilib-pkg-force ${RESTRICT} ||
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n RESTRICT was supposed to mean.
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I am executing 1): RESTRICT="multilib-pkg-force" -> EMULTILIB_PKG="true".
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On Sunday 01 of July 2007 01:35:58 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
> 2) clean up: we want to do global tree clean up after 1) is resolved, nofoo
> -> foo, rest of the invalid values die.
This is being done NOW.
btw. note that RESTRICT="debug? ( strip )" doesn't make sense.
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# Masked for removal. bug #167379.
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circular DEPEND <->
PDEPEND can.
Random behaviour occurs when there is a circular RDEPEND <-> PDEPEND, e.g. bug
#186517.
We need to update docs or harass zmedico to force PDEPEND to be pulled as soon
as possible but not before the pkg that pulls it.
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ad my e-mail completly and btw. Paludis is following the same
rules:
A: PDEPEND="B"
B: RDEPEND="A"
Both portage and paludis can end up installing B before A and it seems there
is nothing wrong with it other than that I think it doesn't match the docs.
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On Friday 31 of August 2007 12:37:57 Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
> What do you think about adding /etc/udev/rules.d/ to CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK.
That's what I did locally so fine by me.
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>> fi
No reason to check for test in FEATURES, make it die uncodnitionally.
btw. ebuilds shouldn't access FEATURES at all.
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On Saturday 29 of September 2007 17:40:35 Markus Dittrich (markusle) wrote:
> - 02 Jul 2007; Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> coq-8.0-r1.ebuild,
> + 02 Jul 2007; Piotr JaroszyÅski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> coq-8.0-r1.ebuild,
>coq-8.0_p3.ebuild:
>(QA) RESTRICT cle
On Sunday 30 of September 2007 00:54:29 Torsten Veller wrote:
> This fails if tc-getCC returns the path to the compiler
It doesn't, see toolchain-funcs.eclass.
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On Sunday 30 of September 2007 02:53:47 Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Saturday 29 September 2007, Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
> > On Sunday 30 of September 2007 00:54:29 Torsten Veller wrote:
> > > This fails if tc-getCC returns the path to the compiler
> >
> > It doesn
s the sources just do
> #include
>
> And this normally will find headers located under /usr/include.
And that's the way to go. When you build with ROOT=/foo DEPEND is installed
into / and only {R,P}DEPEND into /foo.
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candidate for the global one, but better names are welcome.
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