Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:00:40 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > On 07/31/2011 03:46 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Anthony G. Basile > > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> A couple of days ago, bonsaikitten (Patrick), kerframil (Kerin > >> Millar) and myself wer

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: > I'm interested in some sort of suggested/recommend deps for > www-client/chromium, but I'm not sure if eclass is the right > implementation. > > I think I agree with Ciaran that this should be implemented as a PMS > update. Let me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:28:54 +0200 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Samuli Suominen schrieb: > > > > Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr. Do we have other reasons? How > > many users that might be? > > If you have / encrypted, then you can leave /usr unencrypted as it > contains no secre

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:35:05 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > I don't think we can start drafting until we agree on one solution. > AFAICS there are two major ideas: > 1) using special USEflags for that (which I can draft if you like), > 2) copying DEPENDENCIES syntax from exherbo. I guess there's nothi

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 03:08 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:00:40 -0400 > "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > >> On 07/31/2011 03:46 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Anthony G. Basile >>> wrote: Hi everyone, A couple of days ago, bonsaikitten (Pat

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:28:58 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > I prefer capsetting in the PMS itself, with a nice clean function > which auto detects all the necessary conditions and transparently > preserves caps, as you suggest. Maybe this can be in EAPI=5. Would need a spec, along with a way

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > BTW doesn't encrypting rootfs require initramfs anyway? > Yup. On a side note. I've been experimenting with Dracut+LVM+RAID5 and have found that it actually works pretty transparently. Now, I haven't tried it with /usr not on the rootfs - I

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 10:31 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:28:58 -0400 > "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: >> I prefer capsetting in the PMS itself, with a nice clean function >> which auto detects all the necessary conditions and transparently >> preserves caps, as you suggest. Maybe this

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:51:22 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > > Would need a spec, along with a way of dealing with all the > > problems: what happens if the build fs supports caps but the > > install fs doesn't? What about if caps are supported on both but in > > different ways (tmpfs on some k

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 10:54 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> > I was thinking something even dirtier, something outside of the PMS >> > altogether, along the lines of what one does when converting to a >> > selinux system where one relabels the entire filesystem with rlpkg. >> > So no, not something via pkg_p

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:51:22 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > On 08/02/2011 10:31 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:28:58 -0400 > > "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > >> I prefer capsetting in the PMS itself, with a nice clean function > >> which auto detects all the necessary co

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:05:34 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > On 08/02/2011 10:54 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> > I was thinking something even dirtier, something outside of the > >> > PMS altogether, along the lines of what one does when converting > >> > to a selinux system where one relabel

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 08/02/2011 10:54 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> > I was thinking something even dirtier, something outside of the PMS >>> > altogether, along the lines of what one does when converting to a >>> > selinux system where one relabels the e

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 11:05 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> Please don't. >> > >> > Why would this be bad? > Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly > screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell > you...). Is rlpkg going behind the PM's back when it does

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:19:21 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > Is rlpkg going behind the PM's back when it does selinux labelings? Yup. Also, note that PMS has wording for selinux. > I know there are difference, but if there's a screwup in some policy, it > also leads to horribly screwed up sys

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as excerpted: > Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly > screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell > you...). Well, not "anyone". I never had any problems with it. (YMMV, but soon en

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:11:28 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as > excerpted: > > Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly > > screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell >

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Jonathan Callen
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:11:28 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as >> excerpted: >> > Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly >> > screwed up systems (as anyone who's ev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen wrote: > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use > portage". Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if > they *do not* match the checksum recorded in the vdb. This implies > that most people will *not* see

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 8/2/11 12:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 > ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: >> I'm interested in some sort of suggested/recommend deps for >> www-client/chromium, but I'm not sure if eclass is the right >> implementation. > I don't think we can start drafting until

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:58:56 -0700 ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: > On 8/2/11 12:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 > > ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: > >> I'm interested in some sort of suggested/recommend deps for > >> www-client/chromium, but I'm not sure if eclass

[gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello fellow developers, I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like pcmanfm, and possible other applications too, require an icon-theme to be prese

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Markos Chandras schrieb: - --: Not all packages include the same icons so users may end up with missing icons for some applications. However, most icon themes should include all the basic icons. You could have USE flags for the virtual, so that some package could depend on virtual/icon-theme[f

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Alex Alexander
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 21:20, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hello fellow developers, > > I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package > for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like > pcmanfm, an

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:18:17 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > > I think I prefer the second option (copying from Exherbo). A better > > integration with the package manager than USE flags should result > > in a better user experience. > > Are you willing to update and EAPI-bump all the eclasses? May I

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Alex Alexander
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 21:18, Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:58:56 -0700 > ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: > >> On 8/2/11 12:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >> > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 >> > ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: >> >> I'm interested in some sort of suggested/recommend de

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 08/02/2011 09:20 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > Hello fellow developers, > > I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package > for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like > pcmanfm, and possible other applications too, require an icon-theme to >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/02/2011 07:30 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Markos Chandras schrieb: >> - --: Not all packages include the same icons so users may end up with >> missing icons for some applications. However, most icon themes should >> include all t

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 8/2/11 11:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >> I think I prefer the second option (copying from Exherbo). A better >> integration with the package manager than USE flags should result in a >> better user experience. > > Are you willing to update and EAPI-bump all the eclasses? May I remind > you that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 8/2/11 11:20 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package > for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like > pcmanfm, and possible other applications too, require an icon-theme to > be present, no matter which one.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Alex Alexander
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 21:48, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 8/2/11 11:20 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package >> for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like >> pcmanfm, and possible other applications t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2011-08-02 19:39:18 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 > Jonathan Callen wrote: > > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use > > portage". Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if > > they *do not* match the checksum recorded in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 06:39:18PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 > Jonathan Callen wrote: > > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use > > portage". Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if > > they *do not* match the che

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Duncan
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:46:54 +0200 as excerpted: > 2011-08-02 19:39:18 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): >> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen >> wrote: >> > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use >> > portage". Portage w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 04:13:19AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: > Come on they can't be serious... this won't work against Gentoo devs, > will it? It is concerning that the spammer used a valid list subscriber. Crunching all attachments for validation or moderating ever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
El 03/08/11 06:57, Robin H. Johnson escribió: > On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 04:13:19AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera > (klondike) wrote: >> Come on they can't be serious... this won't work against Gentoo devs, >> will it? > It is concerning that the spammer used a valid list subscriber. > > Cr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 07:27:23AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: > El 03/08/11 06:57, Robin H. Johnson escribió: > > On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 04:13:19AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera > > (klondike) wrote: > >> Come on they can't be serious... this won't work again

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Zac Medico
On 08/02/2011 11:29 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:18:17 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: >>> I think I prefer the second option (copying from Exherbo). A better >>> integration with the package manager than USE flags should result >>> in a better user experience. >> >> Are you will

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Changing portage's unpack behavior for non-tar files compressed with gz|Z|z|bz2|bz|lzma|xz extensions

2011-08-02 Thread Zac Medico
On 07/30/2011 01:42 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We've found that portage's unpack behavior is inconsistent for non-tar > files compressed with gz|Z|z|bz2|bz|lzma|xz extensions [1]. Currently, > it emulates tools like gunzip and bunzip2, unpacking them to the > directory of the source